Top Chef 6: Vegas Baby!

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Drew B		#1441	[-]
Posts: 6510 (10/23/09 10:52 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh, I don't much like him, either (actually, I don't much like ANY of them), but that has nothing to do with whether he deserves to win.
Que		#1442	[-]
Posts: 1475 (10/23/09 11:01 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*salome2000 wrote:* I guess we watched the same scene...that's how I saw it. But, interestingly, not how Tom C. saw it. From his Bravo blog: " And when he felt that Robin was deviating from the plan they'd already devised and that he'd signed off on, he stepped in to fix the situation. He was firm, albeit respectful, and he expected respectful behavior from everyone else, so he wasn't going to permit what she was dishing out, literally and behaviorally. And he led by example, working very hard and expecting the same from his team in that regard as well." That plus the "bark is worse than his bite" vignette looks like a winner-redemption edit. They don't want another despised winner. Yeah. THAT's the scene I saw. ^ me too. She was plating too big etc... PLUS... at judges table when they were discussing the dish and Mike V stated he made suggestions etc...she rolled her eyes and gave the appearence that he was lying. NO BITCH he changed up your "crisp" to make it better and YOU agreed!
cginspace		#1443	[-]
Posts: 9466 (10/23/09 11:04 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Drew B wrote: Oh, I don't much like him, either (actually, I don't much like ANY of them), but that has nothing to do with whether he deserves to win. I think it does. Like Bryan said (and he is not an angel in my eyes, either), people should not always be rewarded for poor behavior. Even when Ash complimented him a few weeks back, as I noticed rewatching that episode, he looked like he wanted to punch him. In my eyes his kitchen etiquette is poor. I know many in the restaurant industry disagree and think you have to be so aggressive and hands-on. To ME, it means he does not deserve a win. A Top Chef, to me, needs to play well with others, at least to a degree.
Taniwha Is Waiting		#1444	[-]
Posts: 2984 (10/23/09 11:04 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm no Robin lover either, but I though Michael was a dick, and while she maybe shouldn't have told him to fuck off, she was certainly within her rights to say back off. Oh, that's right, she did - and he didn't. You could tell he thought of it as his dessert after he told her how to do it; you could also tell he wasn't comfortable giving her any autonomy whatsoever, but he can't control EVERYTHING in the kitchen. At some point you have to let your fellow contestants do their thing, too, and sink or swim because of it. He did not tell her to change how she was plating the dessert "respectfully," at least from where I'm sitting. He was as crass and impatient as he has been with his brother (whom he's told to fuck off), so he shouldn't have been too surprised when she responded like his brother would right back. You get what you give when you're all equals on a show - he wasn't her boss. If he was, that certainly wasn't made clear on the show, and even if he did have the title of Executive CHef, he still doesn't have the right, imo, to treat people like shit. Jeez, can't believe I'm defending Robin. mutter, mutter... All this brother talk is pointless anyway, because Kevin's going to win. :)
seaguy		#1445	[-]
Posts: 18173 (10/23/09 11:12 AM) AI Forum Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'll be happy as long as neither of the whiny douchy brothers win this. Stop cooking and seek professional help already, assholes.
cginspace		#1446	[-]
Posts: 9469 (10/23/09 11:21 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	^ Precisely.
Drew B		#1447	[-]
Posts: 6514 (10/23/09 11:25 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cginspace wrote: Drew B wrote: Oh, I don't much like him, either (actually, I don't much like ANY of them), but that has nothing to do with whether he deserves to win. I think it does. Like Bryan said (and he is not an angel in my eyes, either), people should not always be rewarded for poor behavior. Even when Ash complimented him a few weeks back, as I noticed rewatching that episode, he looked like he wanted to punch him. In my eyes his kitchen etiquette is poor. I know many in the restaurant industry disagree and think you have to be so aggressive and hands-on. To ME, it means he does not deserve a win. A Top Chef, to me, needs to play well with others, at least to a degree. LOL! That's because Ash's "compliment" was fully intended to put all the blame for the failed dish on Michael! Once again, I think the problem had a lot to do with an unrealistic and confusing structure. In real life, Michael could hire sous chefs who acknowledge and respect his authority in the kitchen. If that is who he is working with, I don't think he would have any trouble playing well with others. Robin obviously didn't think that Michael was her boss and he obviously DID think so. I don't know who was right, but it was that confusion that muddied the water and is causing this dissent among viewers. If Michael was her boss, then he has every right to tell her how to present her dish and she is wrong. If he wasn't her boss, then he had no business bossing her around and HE is wrong.
cginspace		#1448	[-]
Posts: 9471 (10/23/09 11:28 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You certainly do seem to know what is inside people's heads, Drew. And either way he was wrong. He had a right to tell how to present the dish, but he did not just tell her how to present a dish. Robin should not have cursed at him. So she was in the wrong, too. She at least admitted she had erred. He didn't. Unless giving the moeny was a half-ass way of making himself feel better about being an ass. It probably was.
Drew B		#1449	[-]
Posts: 6516 (10/23/09 12:51 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cginspace wrote: You certainly do seem to know what is inside people's heads, Drew. Are you referring to my assumption that Michael believed he was the boss and Robin believed he wasn't? I'm just giving them BOTH the benefit of the doubt. If either of them didn't believe that way, then their behavior would be considered that much worse...
cginspace		#1450	[-]
Posts: 9473 (10/23/09 1:29 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AND your apparent knowledge of the true reasons for Ash complimenting Michael. Oy.
Drew B		#1451	[-]
Posts: 6517 (10/23/09 1:33 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hmmm. They trash the dish, Ash says "The dish was all Michael". I don't think it's that much of a leap...
cginspace		#1452	[-]
Posts: 9474 (10/23/09 1:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	And said what an amazing master chef Michael was.
Drew B		#1453	[-]
Posts: 6518 (10/23/09 1:42 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yeah. Some flattery to cushion the blow of being thrown under the bus. Ash is a smooth, charming guy. He probably even meant the praise (it's true, after all -- Michael has a freaking Michelin star!). I just think it's perfectly understandable why, in that scenario, Michael didn't necessarily appreciate the praise in quite the same way as he would have if it came at a time where it wasn't likely to get him sent home...
wizofozgal22		#1454	[-]
Posts: 564 (10/23/09 2:11 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	why are ppl pissed that robin cussed at Michael, but the brothers V can cuss at each other ("Don't be a dick!") and that's okay in the kitchen?
cginspace		#1455	[-]
Posts: 9475 (10/23/09 2:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Again, Drew, I think you think you know too much of what these people are thinking.
igber		#1456	[-]
Posts: 208 (10/23/09 2:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	seaguy wrote: I'll be happy as long as neither of the whiny douchy brothers win this. Stop cooking and seek professional help already, assholes. And Yukon Cornelius for the win!
LuverBoyLuvesBoyz		#1457	[-]
Posts: 3185 (10/23/09 4:45 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Taniwha Is Waiting wrote: I'm no Robin lover either, but I though Michael was a dick, and while she maybe shouldn't have told him to fuck off, she was certainly within her rights to say back off. Oh, that's right, she did - and he didn't. You could tell he thought of it as his dessert after he told her how to do it; you could also tell he wasn't comfortable giving her any autonomy whatsoever, but he can't control EVERYTHING in the kitchen. At some point you have to let your fellow contestants do their thing, too, and sink or swim because of it. He did not tell her to change how she was plating the dessert "respectfully," at least from where I'm sitting. He was as crass and impatient as he has been with his brother (whom he's told to fuck off), so he shouldn't have been too surprised when she responded like his brother would right back. You get what you give when you're all equals on a show - he wasn't her boss. If he was, that certainly wasn't made clear on the show, and even if he did have the title of Executive CHef, he still doesn't have the right, imo, to treat people like shit. Jeez, can't believe I'm defending Robin. mutter, mutter... All this brother talk is pointless anyway, because Kevin's going to win. :) I just saw the show and I thought Robin was not out of line. If her dish was fucked up because of Michael, then the judges would have said she needed to assert herself and maintain her dish. If it failed without his tinkering at least she could stand behind it instead of him screwing her over. I would have done exactly what Robin did, without the swearing of course. He wasn't just managing the portions - he was trying to plate them. And for those who said his suggestions made it better -- let's not forget she won the quickfire with it, so it was already a sure bet to begin with. She executed it well, too. Note that Bryan's quickfire revisit wasn't as successful as hers (though good). Bottom line is Michael was treating her like a sous chef and she was obviously not having any of it. There's a certain thing about playing second fiddle to a leader, but props to Robin for not being Michael's obsequious awe-struck brown-nosing little bitch like Ash was. LOL, but she's sooooooooo gone next week with her confident preview. I just hope that doesn't mean Mike I. actually wins an EC. Last Edited By: LuverBoyLuvesBoyz 10/23/09 4:48 PM. Edited 1 times.
lizzo1		#1458	[-]
Posts: 1156 (10/23/09 5:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh, I totally forgot the most ridiculous part of that whole little scenario...there's no cussing in the kitchen? That was hilarious. Next Top Chef will be telling us that chefs don't drink or smoke, either! Please.
Drew B		#1459	[-]
Posts: 6520 (10/23/09 7:16 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	LuverBoyLuvesBoyz wrote: Bottom line is Michael was treating her like a sous chef and she was obviously not having any of it. ...but if we follow the precedent of previous "Restaurant Wars", one of the chefs IS the leader and the others are the sous chefs. While it wasn't made explicit this time, it is not so far out there for Michael to assume that since he pulled the knife and chose the team, that he was the executive chef and that robin was his sous chef for this challenge...
Heliox		#1460	[-]
Posts: 3475 (10/23/09 7:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This season is a bore for me. No Carla, no Blaise, no Hung, or lesbian loving Stephan.. hell I am even longing for a Fabio. There are no great villains and no great heroes. Just a bunch of boring shmucks who are annoying at the very best (see Michael I). Will I watch the rest of the season. Ya, but I am not expecting fireworks or interesting character developments along the way. I think this was set up for a brother or Ripert's protege to win, and I expect those 3 in the finale.

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