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SirCrocodilep		#7001	[-]
Posts: 47 (11/19/09 11:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	EOrlins wrote: Katy Carney wrote: Eliza I saw on Katie Doyle's twitter that you all are friends. Do you hang out with any other RW/RR alumni? Do you watch the RW/RR challenges? What do you think of Veronica Portillo? Katie is awesome! She's the only one I really hang out with. I met a handful of RW/RR contestants at the Big Brother Vegas event. I do watch the challenges. I actually felt kind of bad for Veronica this season. She seemed like she was getting picked on. Ever met Anton? What is your take on him? Do you think he may be a Survivor material?
craig		#7002	[-]
Posts: 16502 (11/20/09 12:31 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	wtf please don't compare the bland and snobby Monica to Eliza. Besides being hot female lawyers, Monica keeps being considered as a boot target and escaping. She is strategic. And according to last week's Insider, she has a reputation for paranoia among tribemates. Dave should have listened to her paranoid ideas about Russell maybe having the idol..
JackSparrowBauer		#7003	[-]
Posts: 3118 (11/20/09 8:34 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yeah, but Monica's not that hot, nowhere near as much of a boot target as Eliza, and Eliza has 100x the personality that Monica has.
Lexxan		#7004	[-]
Posts: 281 (11/20/09 9:49 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I agree with Craig though. Monica is an instant reminder of Eliza. And JackSparrowBauer, you can't really say anything about Monica's personality... we haven't like seen anything of that yet, since the Editing sucks like hell. Oh, and I totally like both Monica and Eliza. <3
JackSparrowBauer		#7005	[-]
Posts: 3122 (11/20/09 4:39 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	That's my point. We can't compare Monica and Eliza when Monica has no [shown] personality, when Eliza had a lot of personality.
Shred		#7006	[-]
Posts: 126 (11/20/09 4:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JackSparrowBauer wrote: Yeah, but Monica's not that hot, nowhere near as much of a boot target as Eliza, and Eliza has 100x the personality that Monica has. THIS!THIS!THIS!THIS!THIS!THIS!THIS!THIS!
EOrlins		#7007	[-]
Posts: 1919 (11/21/09 10:16 AM) Because it's just a stick!!! Reply Quote More Recent Posts	craig wrote: Did John's vote strategy tonight remind anyone of Lisa from Vanuatu? Bet he suffers a similar fate, and Monica\Eliza outlasts him. I wouldn't be so sure of that. I think Lisa flipped to a group that would have had zero loyalty to her, whereas John solidified his place in a final six. I think Monica has very few days left in this game. Now that her partner in crime is gone, who will she turn to? I guess the fact that she is SO weak in challenges (NOT LIKE ME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH) may end up being a benefit to her, as she will never be seen as a threat, but I have to believe she's gone soon.
chapera rocks		#7008	[-]
Posts: 12026 (11/21/09 11:02 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I don't buy that Monica is that weak in challenges. She's only flopped once in a tribal challenge, and pulled her weight in all the others.
Lexxan		#7009	[-]
Posts: 298 (11/21/09 11:06 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Either way she'll be less of a threat than Dave, Brett or John. (Although I think that she's very good a Mental Challenges) So I think that she'll find a little hole to squeeze through and survive at least two Tribals.
chapera rocks		#7010	[-]
Posts: 12028 (11/21/09 11:13 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Eliza, I'm surprised you think John made a good move. Playing for 6th place is dumb. Not to mention there's no guarantee of 6th since (1) Foa Foa has no loyalty to him. (2) He's a physical threat. Sham seems to be so tight with Foa Foa, it was so stupid for any Galu to not take the chance and pick rocks. Unless they find a crack. But we all know how little Mick/Jaison are willing to do on their own, how much Natalie thinks its her best bet to stick with Russell, and how much Sham loves Russell and co.
JackSparrowBauer		#7011	[-]
Posts: 3138 (11/21/09 11:39 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	EOrlins wrote: I guess the fact that she is SO weak in challenges (NOT LIKE ME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH) Elizaownage <3 I'd like to see Monica even finish that grueling car challenge that Eliza WON in Vanuatu.
EOrlins		#7012	[-]
Posts: 1920 (11/21/09 11:49 AM) Because it's just a stick!!! Reply Quote More Recent Posts	chapera rocks wrote: Eliza, I'm surprised you think John made a good move. Playing for 6th place is dumb. Not to mention there's no guarantee of 6th since (1) Foa Foa has no loyalty to him. (2) He's a physical threat. Sham seems to be so tight with Foa Foa, it was so stupid for any Galu to not take the chance and pick rocks. Unless they find a crack. But we all know how little Mick/Jaison are willing to do on their own, how much Natalie thinks its her best bet to stick with Russell, and how much Sham loves Russell and co. Maybe it wasn't a good move, but if I were in John's spot, I would have done exactly the same thing. His tribemates were throwing him under the bus by trying to sway votes his way (and if you read Laura's interviews, you can tell she wanted John out ASAP). I wouldn't pick rocks for someone who I didn't feel had 100% loyalty to me. In fact, I wouldn't pick rocks for anyone. You flip to save yourself. I agree that John is a physical threat, so maybe it's somewhat of a different situation, but I still think it was either guaranteed Laura going home or him potentially going home at the hands of a rock, that's no decision at all. If you stay another day, there's always something else you can do.
JackSparrowBauer		#7013	[-]
Posts: 3142 (11/21/09 11:52 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	EOrlins wrote: chapera rocks wrote: Eliza, I'm surprised you think John made a good move. Playing for 6th place is dumb. Not to mention there's no guarantee of 6th since (1) Foa Foa has no loyalty to him. (2) He's a physical threat. Sham seems to be so tight with Foa Foa, it was so stupid for any Galu to not take the chance and pick rocks. Unless they find a crack. But we all know how little Mick/Jaison are willing to do on their own, how much Natalie thinks its her best bet to stick with Russell, and how much Sham loves Russell and co. Maybe it wasn't a good move, but if I were in John's spot, I would have done exactly the same thing. His tribemates were throwing him under the bus by trying to sway votes his way (and if you read Laura's interviews, you can tell she wanted John out ASAP). I wouldn't pick rocks for someone who I didn't feel had 100% loyalty to me. In fact, I wouldn't pick rocks for anyone. You flip to save yourself. I agree that John is a physical threat, so maybe it's somewhat of a different situation, but I still think it was either guaranteed Laura going home or him potentially going home at the hands of a rock, that's no decision at all. If you stay another day, there's always something else you can do. That's a good point that maybe he wasn't so comfortable with Laura, but he made his way to the Final 5 a whole lot harder now. Laura and co. really needed his vote. Foa Foa no longer needs him at all, Brett, Dave and Monica probably all hate him so I wouldn't be surprised if he goes next.
XtremeInnovator420		#7014	[-]
Posts: 2464 (11/21/09 1:31 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yeah, I dunno. If they talked to him about it first, before Russell got to him, I think he would've understood. I mean, in his position I can say I'd probably take the risk to draw rocks. Yeah okay, he didn't like them trying to direct some votes to him instead of Laura, but their reasoning and intentions were beneficial to him. Like, I'm pretty sure they were taking the risk at drawing rocks to get a 5 person majority. Yeah, there was only a 43% chance of them getting that majority, but it's better than John flipping and costing them that majority. I realize Eliza, that I'm in no position to be telling you as someone who's actually played twice things like this, but I really do feel drawing to keep the numbers was more important than that anger/irritation/short-sightedness that John had and that he made a bad move. I'm not trying to say you don't know what you're talking about or that you're wrong, just that from my personal opinion I disagree with his choice and would not have done it in his position.
ilovekelly752		#7015	[-]
Posts: 398 (11/21/09 1:42 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	chapera rocks wrote: Eliza, I'm surprised you think John made a good move. Playing for 6th place is dumb. Not to mention there's no guarantee of 6th since (1) Foa Foa has no loyalty to him. (2) He's a physical threat. Sham seems to be so tight with Foa Foa, it was so stupid for any Galu to not take the chance and pick rocks. Unless they find a crack. But we all know how little Mick/Jaison are willing to do on their own, how much Natalie thinks its her best bet to stick with Russell, and how much Sham loves Russell and co. The best move would be for John to have made a final 2 deal with Shambo before he agreed to flip, then flipped to get Laura out, then try to convince Shambo to join back up with Monica, Dave, and Brett, and take out Russell and Mick, then the two of them join back up with Natalie and Jaison to take out Dave and Brett, then get Monica to take out Natalie and Jaison, then the final three would be John, Shambo, and Monica. It wouldn't require that much persuasion, since every time he would try to flip someone, it would be when they are in the minority, and they would need anyone they can get. The only person it would require him to do that much work on would be Shambo. If he can convince her that she would win against John and Monica, she might be up for it.
Maximus20		#7016	[-]
Posts: 296 (11/21/09 2:08 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	ilovekelly752 wrote: chapera rocks wrote: Eliza, I'm surprised you think John made a good move. Playing for 6th place is dumb. Not to mention there's no guarantee of 6th since (1) Foa Foa has no loyalty to him. (2) He's a physical threat. Sham seems to be so tight with Foa Foa, it was so stupid for any Galu to not take the chance and pick rocks. Unless they find a crack. But we all know how little Mick/Jaison are willing to do on their own, how much Natalie thinks its her best bet to stick with Russell, and how much Sham loves Russell and co. The best move would be for John to have made a final 2 deal with Shambo before he agreed to flip, then flipped to get Laura out, then try to convince Shambo to join back up with Monica, Dave, and Brett, and take out Russell and Mick, then the two of them join back up with Natalie and Jaison to take out Dave and Brett, then get Monica to take out Natalie and Jaison, then the final three would be John, Shambo, and Monica. It wouldn't require that much persuasion, since every time he would try to flip someone, it would be when they are in the minority, and they would need anyone they can get. The only person it would require him to do that much work on would be Shambo. If he can convince her that she would win against John and Monica, she might be up for it. Yeah this is pretty much what I said after the episode. His ONLY chance now is to re-flip Shambo. Shambo sorta owes John because it was him that flipped to remove Laura. So if I where John, id work on Sham as hard as possible. Its his only chance. If that doesnt work, I feel like Russel will target John next. Why?? Because John is the only strategic Galu left. So Russel will want the competition out. If Russel can keep Shambo's loyalty, They can out John and still have a 5-3 lead. So...it looks like Shambo may be the swing vote next episode lol.
ilovekelly752		#7017	[-]
Posts: 399 (11/21/09 2:21 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Maximus20 wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: chapera rocks wrote: Eliza, I'm surprised you think John made a good move. Playing for 6th place is dumb. Not to mention there's no guarantee of 6th since (1) Foa Foa has no loyalty to him. (2) He's a physical threat. Sham seems to be so tight with Foa Foa, it was so stupid for any Galu to not take the chance and pick rocks. Unless they find a crack. But we all know how little Mick/Jaison are willing to do on their own, how much Natalie thinks its her best bet to stick with Russell, and how much Sham loves Russell and co. The best move would be for John to have made a final 2 deal with Shambo before he agreed to flip, then flipped to get Laura out, then try to convince Shambo to join back up with Monica, Dave, and Brett, and take out Russell and Mick, then the two of them join back up with Natalie and Jaison to take out Dave and Brett, then get Monica to take out Natalie and Jaison, then the final three would be John, Shambo, and Monica. It wouldn't require that much persuasion, since every time he would try to flip someone, it would be when they are in the minority, and they would need anyone they can get. The only person it would require him to do that much work on would be Shambo. If he can convince her that she would win against John and Monica, she might be up for it. Yeah this is pretty much what I said after the episode. His ONLY chance now is to re-flip Shambo. Shambo sorta owes John because it was him that flipped to remove Laura. So if I where John, id work on Sham as hard as possible. Its his only chance. If that doesnt work, I feel like Russel will target John next. Why?? Because John is the only strategic Galu left. So Russel will want the competition out. If Russel can keep Shambo's loyalty, They can out John and still have a 5-3 lead. So...it looks like Shambo may be the swing vote next episode lol. Yeah, that's why I said he should've made a f2 deal with her before he flipped. Then she might want to stick to that. It at least increases the odds of her going with him.
TRAINROBBER		#7018	[-]
Posts: 269 (11/21/09 3:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	GALU IS PATHETIC AND NOW ALL OF THEM DESERVE TO BE VOTED OUT...
craig		#7019	[-]
Posts: 16516 (11/21/09 5:24 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	It's one thing to flip early to protect yourself (Dolly or Yau-man boots) when alliances are fluid. Or not to pick a rock at 33% odds at F6, when a F4 alliance puts you within striking distance of the finals. But flipping at 5-5 on tribal lines when the other side is solid? That's suicide. That's an S3 Brandon move. Last Edited By: craig 11/21/09 5:39 PM. Edited 1 times.
Lexxan		#7020	[-]
Posts: 312 (11/21/09 6:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	And we all know what happened to Brandon... or Jonathan... or Lisa, for that matter. Flipping can have its uses (like when Eliza flipped to vote out an obvious loose cannon like Dolly), but usually it's plain stupid. It's alienates you from your former allies, and may cause effects that will turn out to be HUGE disadvantages later on. (like the loss of Jury votes, or getting the boot before you had anticipated it ). John could have had a Final Five spot.. AT LEAST. (with his physical capacities, he might have Immunity Whored his way to the top three) Now... Well, he may be voted out next, or the episode after that... and I don't think he will be able to last any longer. how can't I give an example without mentionning Eliza in a thread about Eliza... LOL.

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