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SurvivorGuy91 wrote:

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Amanda is my least favorite Survivor ever, but she played way better than Todd. She did the brunt of the work, while TODD rode HER coattails. He likes to think of himself as this "strategist," but she made the call to get rid of James, kept J-R in the game so they could maintain numbers but could cut him loose once those numbers were established. He was spared TWICE by her.

He approached her on day 1, and she went along with it. She didn't even want Courtney in the alliance. He was only spared by her because he put her in the position to do it, and he convinced her to do it. Those two moves about JR and James are the only two moves she made in the game. Every other move was made by Todd, (except one by Aaron) and she originally opposed every single one of them. Plus, blindsiding James was Todd's idea first, and Amanda didn't like it, and then three days later she claims it as her brilliant idea. If it weren't for Todd, James very well could've played an idol. Amanda did nothing to prevent that, and didn't even let Todd vote for Peih-Gee as insurance. Todd's deal with James was what got him not to se it. The thing with JR woudn't have even made a difference. Sherea and Frosti were both on Todd's side. When Peih-Gee tried to talk to Sherea about being aligned, Sherea ignored her, and Frosti joined up with Todd when they found the idol, and voted with him every time. Amanda was the one who made errors Todd had to recover from. She wouldn't let him tell Denise about the JR blindside, so he had to do damage control the next day, and he had to rely on his own deal with James when Amanda woldn't let him vote for Peih-Gee.

Kitty Pryde1 wrote:

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Todd didn't have the power to save Leslie, who was extremely loyal to him and not in conflict with anyone on the tribe, while Courtney was absolutely pathetic in challenges and was in conflict with Jean-Robert. Todd lost a valuable ally to Aaron.

Todd didn't throw the first challenge after the swap to save his allies and guarantee the safety of 7/8 of his tribe, including one of his closest allies.

Todd looked for the hidden immunity idol in plain sight and allowed for it to be co-found by an outsider like Frosti. In addition to this blunder, knowing that Frosti knew about the idol, that Courtney, his ally, was friends with Sherea, and that there was still conflict with Jean-Robert, Todd instead chose to target Sherea, who was absolutely no threat to him whatsoever.

Todd gave two idols to James, the biggest challenge threat in the game, when he only needed one at best.

Todd targetted Jean-Robert, who no one liked and was a complete idiot, over James, who was likable, strong, and had two idols thank to Todd's stupidity. Furthermore, he didn't clue Denise on this plan, which would've made her a volatile vote had she actually been strong instead of being a sheep.

Todd voted with everyone else for James, rather than casting a throwaway vote for Peih-Gee, just in case James got smart and played the hidden immunity idol. He put himself at risk here, while Peih-Gee was smart enough to cast a throwaway vote, and unfortunately her only ally, Erik, did not.

Todd made himself so visible that if Amanda had been playing smart, she would've targetted him as the obvious threat to win, due to people THINKING he made all the moves she did.

In short, Todd won because only one other person in his season had a brain, and she was put into the minority by highly unbalanced tribes that benefitted Todd immensely. As such, he would lose early a lot of the time if he were to play against random casts of people who had no prior knowledge of him.

Todd went along with voting out Lesie because it was one less person who knew about the idol. He lost Aaron because of a twist, which is an example of how he could win in any situation because he still recovered from it. Rather than throwing challenges to lose non allies, he turned those non allies into allies. Finding the idol in front of Frosti solidified Frosti staying true to that group. Todd wanted to target Jean Robert, but Amanda was the one who wanted to target Sherea, so he basically chose between Amanda and Sherea as allies. That's another blunder by Amanda that Todd had to recover from.

James did not have two idols. They were in his possesion, but they both belonged to James and Todd. Todd just let James hold onto them so he would trust him. He targetted Jean Robert at nine to make Courtney happy, and to ensure that she didn't flip. Amanda and James wouldn't let Todd tell Denise, which is another blunder made by Amanda that he was able to recover from. The same thing goes for not voting out Peih-Gee. Since Amanda woldn't let him do that, he went up to James and asked him for an idol to see if James was being true to him, and James went to go get it for him, but Todd let him keep it, and that showed James that Todd was planning to honor his final five deal.

So Todd, Amanda, Courtney, and Denise did not have brains? If Peih-Gee was really the only one with a brain, wouldn't she at least have made the top four? There were at least seven players that season who were thinking strategically, and most of them either targetted Todd, or considered going against him, which proves that he had to do work to keep himself safe. Peih-Gee was not the only other one with a brain, she was just the only one who wasn't manipulated by Todd. He didn't try to maniplate her. There isn't one person that season who he tried to manipulate, but couldn't. Is it really a coincidence, and all of those people happen to be stupid, and the one who he didn't try to manipulate happens to be smart? Really?

kenc333 wrote:

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Todd wanted to target Jean Robert, but Amanda was the one who wanted to target Sherea, so he basically chose between Amanda and Sherea as allies. That's another blunder by Amanda that Todd had to recover from.

Umm what?

James did not have two idols. They were in his possesion, but they both belonged to James and Todd. Todd just let James hold onto them so he would trust him.

They were therefore James' idols, not Todd's. Just like how when Taj told Stephen to carry the idol because he had pockets.. it officially became his idol.

Amanda and James wouldn't let Todd tell Denise, which is another blunder made by Amanda that he was able to recover from.

Rewatch the episode. When asking whether they should tell Denise, James is the only one who says "Hell no!".

So Todd, Amanda, Courtney, and Denise did not have brains? If Peih-Gee was really the only one with a brain, wouldn't she at least have made the top four?

Peih Gee couldn't reach the top 4 because Fei Long was stacked with physical competitors (James, Aaron, JR, Amanda, Denise) in a pre-merge with many physical challenges. Switch a few people around on the initial tribes and the final 3 becomes Peih Gee, Jaime and Erik.

He made allies out of Sherea and Frosti. They were no less solid than Aaron and James.

Except that Sherea and Frosti spent the first 2 weeks with Peih Gee, Jaime, Erik and had relationships with them already...

I don't get what's funny about the first one.

Todd was persuasive enough that James was willing to share.

The point is, his allies wouldn't let him use it. In interviews, Todd did say it was both Amanda and James.

You mean like the sitaution Danni was in? Or Bob? Or Chris?

That's not how Frosti would vote. When Frosti was there for the idol, which was before they didn't throw the challenge, that put him into their group. Todd did a good job of talking badly about Jean Robert with Sherea and Courtney, which got her to think she was in their group as more of a core member than Jean Robert, and when Peih-Gee tried to communicate with her in the reward challenge, Sherea ignored her.

AveryC wrote:

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ilovekelly752 wrote:

Todd went along with voting out Leslie because it was one less person who knew about the idol.

Yet he seemed very eager to tell everyone and their mother when he actually found the thing. He had no power in that situation, he had to go with the majority.

He lost Aaron because of a twist, which is an example of how he could win in any situation because he still recovered from it.

Bob. Earl. Yul. Aras. Danni. Chris. Not a big achievement, considering he was still up in numbers anyway.

Rather than throwing challenges to lose non allies, he turned those non allies into allies. Finding the idol in front of Frosti solidified Frosti staying true to that group. Todd wanted to target Jean Robert, but Amanda was the one who wanted to target Sherea, so he basically chose between Amanda and Sherea as allies. That's another blunder by Amanda that Todd had to recover from.

You can't claim credit for something that's unintentional. Todd did NOT want Frosti to know about it. And I've been through how mishandled that round was.

James did not have two idols. They were in his possesion, but they both belonged to James and Todd. Todd just let James hold onto them so he would trust him.

Huh? That makes no sense at all. If they were his too, then why was James voted out with the "shared" idols? Calling BS.

He targetted Jean Robert at nine to make Courtney happy, and to ensure that she didn't flip.

No, he targetted Jean Robert because he came up with a plan to boot Jame's idols, and like I said Todd doesn't like it when people have the same ideas as him.

Amanda and James wouldn't let Todd tell Denise, which is another blunder made by Amanda that he was able to recover from

What other blunder did Amanda make? And if Todd was truely running things he would've told her anyway.

So Todd, Amanda, Courtney, and Denise did not have brains? If Peih-Gee was really the only one with a rain, wouldn't she at least have made the top four? There were at least seven players that season who were thinking strategically, and most of them either targetted Todd, or considered going against him, which proves that he had to do work to keep himself safe. Peih-Gee was not the only other one with a brain, she was just the only one who wasn't manipulated by Todd. He didn't try to maniplate her. There isn't one person that season who he tried to manipulate, but couldn't. Is it really a coincidence, and all of those people happen to be stupid, and the one who he didn't try to manipulate happens to be smart? Really?

China had one of the least strategic casts EVER.
Chicken: None
Ashley: None
Leslie: Had some strategy
Dave: None
Aaron: Had some idea.
Sherea: None
Jamie: Was a leader, but didn't do anything strategically
Jean Robert: Had a dumb strategy and one great idea discussed above.
Frosti: None.
James: None.
Erik: Very little.
Peih Gee: Actively strategised and fought until the end.
Denise:None.
Amanda: Actively strategised and controlled the game up until the finals.
Courtney: None.
Todd: Was Amanda's puppet, made horrible strategic moves.

Here's the thing. Kenc333 adores Amanda. KittyPride despises Amanda. And I'm indifferent to Amanda. Yet we're all saying she played better than Todd. You seem the struggle with the idea that Todd did anything wrong,, making him out to be some Mary-Sue Survivior player.

He made many huge mistakes. Fact.

He didn't want anybody to find it before him. What's wrong with him wanting to be the one to find it? By telling his allies when he did find it, they trusted him.

It is a big achievement because those people won. How is recovering from a twist not a big achievement. The reason it didn't hurt him that much was because he put himself in the position where he had numbers.

Todd didn't want Frosti to know about it, but when he did, that put Frosti into his group, or at least made Frosti think he was. There's no way to know whether or not Todd would've thrown the challenge before that happened. He threw it after Frosti was in the group.

James agreed to give Todd an idol, so that worst case scenario, they each played an idol, and Peih-Gee went home. James wanted to do it. Todd told him not to.

It was discussed at the reunion that Todd was just feeding JR's ego when he said that. He said in an interview that he really wanted to make Courtney happy.

Amanda wouldn't let Todd vote for Peih-Gee at seven or tell Denise about the plan. Is it really a good strategic move to do those things anyway? Amanda said he'd lose her as an ally. Those were his toughest positions in the game. He had to agree with Amanda, and still manipulte his other allies (Denise and James) into doing what he wanted so that he would listen to her, and still get his other allies to trust him.

The only times Todd did what Amanda wanted were with the James blindside, and with voting out Sherea. Also, he didn't tell Denise about JR, but it was his job to come back from that, and get Denise back on his side. Every other plan made by Todd and Amanda was Todd's idea, and was argued by Amanda. She won 2 out of 8 votes, plus all the other strategic moves Todd made that didn't have to do with TC votes, like aligning with Courtney and giving James the idols.

Kitty Pryde1 wrote:

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Okay, I'm calling bullshit. You're basically attributing every bad move to Amanda making a mistake and every good move to Todd, yet ignore all your own assertations that Todd just followed along while Amanda made these "bad moves".

If Todd didn't follow along with Amanda's bad moves, he would've lost an ally. That puts him in a tougher position than most winners have ever been in. If he goes against her, he loses her. If he goes with her, he loses his other allies, like when they didn't want him to tell Denise about JR. One way, he loses Amanda, the other way Denise flips. He managed to overcome that by going along with Amanda, and then persuaded Denise to join back up with him. Parvati did that with the Ozzy blindside, taking back Amanda, but no other winner has ever done that, besides those two.