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Posts: 2115 (11/02/09 1:29 PM) Registered user |
This episode beautifully captured how the Kennedy assassination ended the 1950s and jump-started the crazy 1960s as America had a nervous breakdown.
But where will this leave our characters next season? I'm not looking forward to seeing Don in bell bottoms and a Nehru j.acket. |
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Posts: 619 (11/02/09 1:49 PM) Registered User |
Kirblar wrote:And I was very surprised at how maturely Margaret, the daughter, behaved (the "spoiled brat", as I think Trudy referred to her earlier in the episode) in the face of her ruined wedding. Exx: "You were right, Mother," and (someone to Margaret): "I heard the church was full"; Margaret: "They weren't all for me" (meaning, presumably, that people had gone to the church to pray because of the assassination). |
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Posts: 9365 (11/02/09 2:10 PM) Registered user |
Karo wrote: Like Carla just lighting a cigarette, something she obviously would never do in a normal world.For some reason, that cigarette struck me like no other reaction. It was someone saying "What the fuck? To hell with appearances". Black/White/Men/Women. All were equal in their mourning. |
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Posts: 2935 (11/02/09 2:11 PM) Registered user |
CatNamedRudy wrote:That and the way she treats the kids. She is such a stone cold bitch. When Betty met with her "lover" and had their exchange all I kept thinking was that if Betty divorces Don and marries the guy she thinks she is in love with, it will end up the same with her bored and sick of him in no time. Betty just seems like the person who will never be happy and nothing will ever be good enough for her. Don is a louse with his cheating, but I can understand him going elsewhere if he has to deal with a cold dead fish Betty every night. I think Don tried to make her happy and just can't (nobody can). Case in point their trip to Rome and Betty's brief thawing out. They came home and Don tried to keep the flame going and she shut him down cold. Betty leaving Don is going to crush him. His whole world is crashing in around him. I think he really does love her, he just doesn't know how to make her happy. And those poor kids if Betty takes them away from their father. While Don isn't physically present in their lives as much as Betty is, Don pays much more attention to them and shows them more affection than Betty does. |
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Posts: 8 (11/02/09 2:19 PM) |
Also very interesting for me was the seeming confirmation that Betty is all about security. She wouldn't leave Don if it meant that she would not be able
to live as she is accustomed, but after her boyfriend (what IS his name again?) said that he wanted to marry her she can see a world where she COULD leave Don
behind.
I'm not sure if she really will, though. I think she is relishing her new found power (when she said in the car "he's been lying to me for years," it seemed very much like she was as surprised as us to hear the words coming out of her mouth so frankly). Next week should be great - I can't wait to see what happens. I think we'll see Pete run TO Duck while Peggy is running AWAY from him. |
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Posts: 20588 (11/02/09 3:13 PM) Registered user |
CatNamedRudy wrote:lol Seriously, guys? Sometimes the Betty hate is just irrational. |
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Posts: 9366 (11/02/09 3:40 PM) Registered user |
^^ I'm with ya there. He's been cheating on her for YEARS. Of course she's cold to him. How could she not be?
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Posts: 2939 (11/02/09 4:44 PM) Registered user |
tarzan groupie wrote:But the whole question is, which came first the chicken or the egg? Did Betty turn into a cold fish as a result of Don messing around or has she always been a cold hard bitch and once she got him locked into a marriage she let down the facade and Don began having affairs in order to have sex with warm-blooded women? It could go either way. But the fact that Betty has a cold demeanor towards pretty much everyone makes me think it has always been her nature and it is not just as her reaction to Don's philandering ways. Her kids didn't have affairs, yet she treats them with disdain and disgust. |
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Posts: 9367 (11/02/09 4:49 PM) Registered user |
That could be true.. However, the kids are an extension of her unhappy marriage. They remind her every day that she is stuck with a cheating bastard of a
husband, in that era, where it wasn't so simple to just up and leave him. There was no Irreconsirable (sp?) Differences" back then. You had to have a
real reason, and proof, to divorce. while it's reprehensible that she treats her kids coldly, it is still somewhat understandable.
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Posts: 3926 (11/02/09 4:54 PM) |
ImCrushingYourHead wrote:If you want to hate Betty that is fine but you people just get so unrealistic and stupid when you expect her to just ignore the fact that her husband lied about who he was. After being married to someone that long and having three children with them and finding out all of that? I imagine it would feel like being married to a stranger. |
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Posts: 1965 (11/02/09 4:54 PM) Registered user |
And I was very surprised at how maturely Margaret, the daughter, behaved (the "spoiled brat", as I think Trudy referred to her earlier in the episode) in the face of her ruined wedding. I didn't really think it was mature of her, but she did seem heavily medicated to me. On another note, this is starting to make me go nuts--the guy who played the politician boyfriend in last night's episode looked like a DIFFERENT actor than the other times. I can't find any proof, though, even on IMDB. Although it does say the guy who played him before only appeared in 5 episodes, and not in "The Grownups". Anyone else notice the Darren Stevens switcheroo?
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Posts: 3929 (11/02/09 6:00 PM) |
No. You are crazy. It is the same guy.
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Posts: 4357 (11/02/09 6:35 PM) Registered user |
Pseudo Propaganda wrote:I readily admitted that Don is self centered and can be a total bastard at times. I don't ignore that fact. Betty's behavior just irks me a lot more than Don's does because Don at least has SOME warmth and some redeeming qualities. I really don't see any redeeming qualities in Betty. Also, it's not like she just STARTED being a bitch to Don after she discovered he was lying to her. I actually thought maybe she was melting a little bit last week after she found out. I thought maybe it would help her and Don both work through things because Don wouldn't have to hide anything anymore. But not so much. I went back to my seething Betty hate! |
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Posts: 460 (11/02/09 7:19 PM) |
To me, they're both sides of the same coin. Don's miserable and lives in his fantasy world he creates by starting affairs with the same type of women.
Betty tried to do the same but got slapped into reality when they were in the politicians office. She felt tawdry, cheap, whatever. I think Kennedy dying mixed
with finding out about Don's lies was another dose of reality.
She clearly needs SOMEONE to tell her everythings going to be 'ok' and Don telling her that is something she can't even delude herself into believing anymore. She's looked the other way all this time and now I don't think she can. She's a brat, childish and can be cold no doubt but I don't think she's made half the mistakes Don has. And whoever said that she will be just unhappy in a new marriage as in this one is dead on. And I loved the Pete/wife scenes...its the most honest I think he's ever been. And the Peggy/Don ending was a perfect way to end things. Figures they'd be the only two to go to work while the rest of the country is in mourning. |
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Posts: 8438 (11/02/09 7:42 PM) Registered user |
It's funny how Pete and Trudy really have come together as a couple while so many others have drifted apart during the series.
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Posts: 4359 (11/02/09 7:52 PM) Registered user |
I couldn't stand Pete in the first 2 seasons. I just wanted to slap him silly every time I saw him because he just seemed like a whiney brat. But now
he's one of the most sympathetic characters on the show and I look forward to seeing his scenes. I agree that his scenes with Trudy last night were nice.
I hope Pete doesn't go to Duck. The best scenario for me would be for Don to branch out on his own and take Pete and Peggy with him. Then go out and get Sal and Joan to round things out. |
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Posts: 64 (11/02/09 8:06 PM) |
Pete is a sympathetic character? He used the assassination as an opportunity to sulk for days about his demotion. I don't think any of his sadness had to
do with Kennedy's death. And lest we forget he forced the German au pair to have sex with him against her will; it's wrong to revile Joan's husband
and embrace Pete.
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Posts: 4360 (11/02/09 8:11 PM) Registered user |
I think his sulking was a combination of things and yes, I do think he was genuinely upset about the Kennedy assassination. Everything was changing and that
was one more thing to throw into the mix. I'm finding him very sympathetic lately. Not perfect mind you. There's not a character on this show that
is perfect. They all have their flaws but Pete is far more sympathetic to me this season than he ever was before.
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Posts: 3946 (11/02/09 8:49 PM) |
I think pretty much all of the characters are flawed. They all do hateful things at times but they are all really human and have qualities that you can relate
to and understand why they are the way they are.
Anyway one of my favorite little parts of the episode was the doomed Aquanet campaign. Didn't pick up on that at all when she first pitched it but when you see the story boards like that... |
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Posts: 4894 (11/02/09 10:15 PM) Registered user |
Why is Betty Don's achilles' heel? (I'm genuinely asking) I'm not asking out of Betty-hate, but out of MM curiosity. He seems totally destroyed
by the prospect of losing her. I'm not saying he shouldn't be, but given how disconnected they seem to be, it's harder to understand.
I believe, as someone said, that he loves her ... but why? Because she's beautiful, from money? She looks like the perfect wife ... is it the image of her he's in love with? Is she his Gatsby? Or does he LIKE it on some level that she is cold & rejecting? LOVE the Pete & his wife scenes. Part of what is making him more sympathetic (in spite of his au pair shenanigans) is that, unlike Don, he actually consults with his wife & respects her intelligent responses. It's nice to see. |
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