MAD Men: Just When You Get Your Foot in the Door

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Posts: 314 (11/03/09 4:50 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	have you talked about Margaret's wedding compared to the Derby? Both Betty's scenes with Henry are when she comes out of the powder room. Jane gets drunk and is falling down. Pete and Trudy are no shows, where before they were the life of the party.
Marchient		#1882	[-]
Posts: 897 (11/03/09 7:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	scepticA wrote: I can't in any way defend either Don or Betty. But they are different. Don is a terribly flawed person with the capacity for decency and the constant ability to screw it up. I have yet to see the capacity for decency in Betty. She flits about on the outside of this supposed nirvana of her life in suburbia, but doesn't like to get under the surface to where the real emotions are, where dealing with her kids as a nurturing (or frustrated) parent is a constant. They look more like props in her world. I am sick and tired of Betty. I want the Drapers to get a divorce. I would love to see Don living in Manhattan and dating up a storm. I want Betty to marry Henry, move to Albany and off my television for ever.
CatNamedRudy		#1883	[-]
Posts: 4370 (11/03/09 7:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Marchient wrote: scepticA wrote: I can't in any way defend either Don or Betty. But they are different. Don is a terribly flawed person with the capacity for decency and the constant ability to screw it up. I have yet to see the capacity for decency in Betty. She flits about on the outside of this supposed nirvana of her life in suburbia, but doesn't like to get under the surface to where the real emotions are, where dealing with her kids as a nurturing (or frustrated) parent is a constant. They look more like props in her world. I am sick and tired of Betty. I want the Drapers to get a divorce. I would love to see Don living in Manhattan and dating up a storm. I want Betty to marry Henry, move to Albany and off my television for ever. This.
Merrilin		#1884	[-]
Posts: 1279 (11/03/09 7:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CatNamedRudy wrote: Marchient wrote: scepticA wrote: I can't in any way defend either Don or Betty. But they are different. Don is a terribly flawed person with the capacity for decency and the constant ability to screw it up. I have yet to see the capacity for decency in Betty. She flits about on the outside of this supposed nirvana of her life in suburbia, but doesn't like to get under the surface to where the real emotions are, where dealing with her kids as a nurturing (or frustrated) parent is a constant. They look more like props in her world. I am sick and tired of Betty. I want the Drapers to get a divorce. I would love to see Don living in Manhattan and dating up a storm. I want Betty to marry Henry, move to Albany and off my television for ever. This. Well that went without saying (that you would agree). Don would probably just seek out a way to recreate the facade anyway. He's just as fake and impossible to figure out how to please as Betty. Edited for clarification Last Edited By: Merrilin 11/05/09 5:01 AM. Edited 1 times.
Goosehead		#1885	[-]
Posts: 2019 (11/03/09 8:26 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Newyorkfornication?
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Posts: 315 (11/03/09 10:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	CatNamedRudy wrote: Marchient wrote: scepticA wrote: I can't in any way defend either Don or Betty. But they are different. Don is a terribly flawed person with the capacity for decency and the constant ability to screw it up. I have yet to see the capacity for decency in Betty. She flits about on the outside of this supposed nirvana of her life in suburbia, but doesn't like to get under the surface to where the real emotions are, where dealing with her kids as a nurturing (or frustrated) parent is a constant. They look more like props in her world. I am sick and tired of Betty. I want the Drapers to get a divorce. I would love to see Don living in Manhattan and dating up a storm. I want Betty to marry Henry, move to Albany and off my television for ever. This. Not this.
gypsies chimpanzees		#1887	[-]
Posts: 321 (11/03/09 10:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Karo wrote: That was a sly little bit of black humor when they showed the Aquanet storyboards in Peggy's office - two happy couples riding in a convertible a couple of days after JFK and John Connolly are killed/injured doing the same - perfect! To give credit where it's due...psuedo mentioned this first at the bottom of page 93. I have to admit that it completely went over my head until I read his post.
trinity17888		#1888	[-]
Posts: 674 (11/03/09 11:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Francis wanted to let Betty know that he wanted to marry her and not just have a tawdry affair. But it will take a very long time before Betty is free to marry. She needs to divorce Don first. So where does that leave her in terms of the series? Will they show Betty, Henry and the kids in separate story lines, totally disconnected from the rest of the show? For that reason alone, I think a divorce between Betty and Don won't happen.
ImCrushingYourHead		#1889	[-]
Posts: 4897 (11/03/09 11:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You may be right that they won't actually divorce, but it wouldn't necessarily require separate story lines. The writers are good at weaving together whatever they need. Betty and douche-husband #2 could appear as part of Don & the kids' storylines. For the record, as a Betty-hater, I would now hate to see her go. I love hating Betty. And I don't even hate her any more. I just find her fascinatingly icy.
TV MA LSV		#1890	[-]
Posts: 729 (11/04/09 3:04 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I was watching "V" tonight and they started the Ep with that classic question: Where were you when JFK was assassinated? I imagined an aged Peggy Olson thinking to herself... "I was in bed. Getting fucked by Duck."
SardonicallyIrrelevant		#1891	[-]
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Posts: 6100 (11/04/09 7:22 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Don & Betty are not going to get divorced...until the 70's. Henry is going to do something totally dick like, cause he's a dick, and then she's going to drop him and stick with Don.
Karo		#1894	[-]
Posts: 11 (11/04/09 9:12 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think that Betty will stick with Don "for the kids," like people of that era did. My childhood, and that of many of my peers (the '70s) was rocked by all the cheap and easy divorce that went on. Reminds me of that old joke: A very elderly couple (think mid-90s) goes to their lawyer to file for divorce. The lawyer asks "Why on earth are you getting divorced at such a late date?" They reply: "We wanted to wait until the children were dead."
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Posts: 7087 (11/04/09 10:00 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Karo wrote: Great episode - claustrophobic is the perfect word. I found it interesting that there seemed to be three distinct groups of people in regard to their reaction to JFK's assassination: 1. Stoic, "this will pass," cold. Don, Duck, Betty's boyfriend. The old guard. 2. In-between; sanguine about the whole thing but still wanting to reach out to others. Roger, Joan, Peggy ("do you want to come watch?" to Don), the group in the kitchen at the wedding reception . 3. Wrecked by the experience. Betty, Pete/Trudy (although their reactions are different, they are all deeply affected). So many little asides in this episode. Like Carla just lighting a cigarette, something she obviously would never do in a normal world. Pete eating something cold and nasty out of a casserole dish. Duck unplugging the TV so he could still get some nookie (that is classic). I got the feeling that Pete and his wife were pretending to be deeply affected and Pete was hiding out from the office. Maybe I was reading that wrong.
salome2000		#1896	[-]
Posts: 101 (11/04/09 10:07 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I thought Pete and his wife were rationalizing. They were using the assassination to bolster their self-righteousness about those horrible people at SC. Small thing, but I laughed when Roger toasted the couple with "many years" of happiness rather than "a liftetime."
ogmious		#1897	[-]
Posts: 834 (11/04/09 11:07 AM) Local user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	salome2000 wrote: I thought Pete and his wife were rationalizing. They were using the assassination to bolster their self-righteousness about those horrible people at SC. yeah, they were using the assassination as an opportunity to blow off roger's daughters wedding, and by extension, sterling cooper. it was interesting to see pete embellish the predominantly conservative attitude at sterling cooper in order to sway trudy from going to the wedding, and alter her perception of the firm. trudy's initial response is to fight the good fight - to persevere. however, pete wants to rationalize his outrage at sterling cooper for passing on promoting him, and he needs trudy to sympathize with his perceived persecution. in order to make this happen, he plays up the anti-JFK sentiment within the office, knowing it will resonate - and ultimately conflict - with trudy's liberal sensibilities.
PinotEnvy		#1898	[-]
Posts: 2978 (11/04/09 11:17 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Karo wrote: I think that Betty will stick with Don "for the kids," like people of that era did. I think that would be the last reason for Betty not to divorce Don. She is very self-centered and she wouldn't do anything "for the kids." The only thing that would make her stay in that marriage is if she thought it would look unseemly for her to divorce. Appearances are everything for Betty. However, with the offer of marriage from the other guy and the fact that she now has ammunition with Don's big lie, there is nothing to really hold her back. Don would give her a divorce to protect his identity, Betty will marry the other guy, Don would have visitation with the kids, and Betty will very soon grow disillusioned with her new husband just like she did Don and it will be the same exact life with a different man. At this point it would make sense for them to divorce and for Don to move to Manhattan. Sally will really start moving to the forefront of the show if they show how she deals with her parents' divorce and her new stepfather. Personally, I want the Drapers to divorce and I hope it's going to happen soon.
Veelicious		#1899	[-]
Posts: 7090 (11/04/09 12:00 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I can't imagine Betty wanting to deal with the ostracizing she and her crew subjected that divorced mother of two to during the first season.
ogmious		#1900	[-]
Posts: 835 (11/04/09 12:15 PM) Local user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	i dont see it happening. don and betty's relationship, or lack thereof, is the foundation of the show.

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