S-19 Edgic (editing and logic)

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McPhever224		#2401	[-]
Posts: 367 (11/05/09 9:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh and Russell was not P or M, he was N.
Oowatanite		#2402	[-]
Posts: 9226 (11/05/09 9:26 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Uh, oh, the dumbass loser sucksters are beginning to assemble for their assault on this thread. Oh joy. (not you McPh)
McPhever224		#2403	[-]
Posts: 368 (11/05/09 9:27 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: Uh, oh, the dumbass loser sucksters are beginning to assemble for their assault on this thread. Oh joy. Wait, are you talking about me?
scepticA		#2404	[-]
Posts: 1754 (11/05/09 9:29 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I personally have never eliminated Jaison, and felt he had the setup for a fine redemption arc, whereby he wants to quit, is miserable, but picks himself up and becomes a force. And this was a very good episode for him. The talk Erik had with Jaison, Natalie, and Mick was great for J. They all listened, and Jaison then lit into Erik. We got basically no insight from either Natalie or Mick about what Erick said - either his condescending tone or his strategy... only from Jaison. His comments to Erik at TC were mighty fine, also. He was clearly furious with Erik,. but kept his tone and words civil... maybe cuz hew knew Erik was shortly departing. However, as I've noticed previously, redemption arcs like Cirie and Kathy make for good TV. They just don't win. Russell had feet of clay. Everyone knew he had the idol, so all his talk was for naught. He used it unnecessarily. He is threatened. He has doubt. Which is perfect for a winner, right? And does anyone really think he's going home next week? Oh. I don't officially vote, but my pick is Mick. Let the brickbats hurl in my direction for a while. But here is my explanation. There is no good candidate this season. everyone violates one or more Pg 1 guidelines or the less "official" guidelines like "good merge ep." So why Mick? Uh.... because this season's edit is so frigging bizarre to begin with. I mean, look at the merge ep, the superduper important one. And RH gets over TRIPLE the avg rating... just like frigging always, or so it seems. Everything is swirling around right now. THe Erik boot was phenomenally stupid on so many levels that one cannot expect any rational strategy to emerge. RH's mindf##k games aren't working at all. The four guys + shambo alliance that could have romped to the end game just died. WTF with that? This whole season right now seems to be an utter mess (nevertheless! I loved this episode.) And in the center of this storm seems to be Mick. This merge ep was just so damn odd that I sensed that Mick's small rating was carefully honed. Hell, I may be wrong, but this is for fun. Yeah, none of the above is edgic. But none of the arguments for Nat or RH or Probst (funny line about not caring who Shambo votes for, btw) are edgic justified. So if we go by edgic, Mick's violates the edgic rules least of all. Personally, I'd prefer Natlie or a true redemption like Jaison (he seems a very cool dude) or someone like Dave. But I do wish someone had said, after Dave said his favorite sport is making love: "It should be is favorite - he practices by himself so much..."
BlakeB717		#2405	[-]
Posts: 2053 (11/05/09 9:29 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	McPhever224 wrote: Natalie is officially my pick. I really don't care if she had a debatable INV, she has those girls wrapped around her fingers, and it was interesting to see at the merge her walk away and talk with Dave. This girl is definitely playing the game. CP2? For the episode, I don't know it doesn't feel right. But it still feels a lot better than Mick's UTR1 merge episode. That ISN'T edgic!! And Natalie had TWO debatable INVs for the record: Episode 1 AND 2. Having a great strategy (and she does, I LOVE this girl) isn't Edgic people!!
Kitty Pryde1		#2406	[-]
Posts: 10861 (11/05/09 9:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oh yeah, I remembered what Jaison's second E1 confessional was about: Russell burned his socks to make him uncomfortable and more easy to control. Hmm, no WONDER Jaison has been so weak, given what Russell did in the first goddamn episode.
McPhever224		#2407	[-]
Posts: 369 (11/05/09 9:32 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BlakeB717 wrote: McPhever224 wrote: Natalie is officially my pick. I really don't care if she had a debatable INV, she has those girls wrapped around her fingers, and it was interesting to see at the merge her walk away and talk with Dave. This girl is definitely playing the game. CP2? For the episode, I don't know it doesn't feel right. But it still feels a lot better than Mick's UTR1 merge episode. That ISN'T edgic!! And Natalie had TWO debatable INVs for the record: Episode 1 AND 2. Having a great strategy (and she does, I LOVE this girl) isn't Edgic people!! Half of Edgic is LOGIC.
BlakeB717		#2408	[-]
Posts: 2054 (11/05/09 9:32 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	astroline wrote: Holy shit at the VF chart, but thanks Warrior. I'm surprised that Laura was only a 3. CPN3 it is. Technically, isn't it too late for us to now change our "official" Edgic picks? We're supposed to have them BY the merge, it's in the guidelines. So everyone picked Mick, except for myself (Russell H.) and getting real (Natalie). Or am I missing someone? There is no rule saying you have to pick a winner by a certain time and you're stuck with it. It's just what they tended to do in older edgic and some veterans stick by it. I think it's a good philosophy, since the post-merge can fool you, but it isn't an Edgic requirement or anything. It's not like if anyone changes to RussH now and he wins that makes them less worthy of their "pick". They're equally entitled to the "success" as everyone else who chose that person (except if you change it right before the finale, sorry Kitty! <3). But Mick probably wins so we should have a lot of winners in this thread this season!! :)
Kitty Pryde1		#2409	[-]
Posts: 10862 (11/05/09 9:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BlakeB717 wrote: astroline wrote: Holy shit at the VF chart, but thanks Warrior. I'm surprised that Laura was only a 3. CPN3 it is. Technically, isn't it too late for us to now change our "official" Edgic picks? We're supposed to have them BY the merge, it's in the guidelines. So everyone picked Mick, except for myself (Russell H.) and getting real (Natalie). Or am I missing someone? There is no rule saying you have to pick a winner by a certain time and you're stuck with it. It's just what they tended to do in older edgic and some veterans stick by it. I think it's a good philosophy, since the post-merge can fool you, but it isn't an Edgic requirement or anything. It's not like if anyone changes to RussH now and he wins that makes them less worthy of their "pick". They're equally entitled to the "success" as everyone else who chose that person (except if you change it right before the finale, sorry Kitty! <3). But Mick probably wins so we should have a lot of winners in this thread this season!! :) Well, since I was the ONLY Bob picker, I guess I'm still above all the rest of ya'll. :P
BlakeB717		#2410	[-]
Posts: 2055 (11/05/09 9:35 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	McPhever224 wrote: BlakeB717 wrote: McPhever224 wrote: Natalie is officially my pick. I really don't care if she had a debatable INV, she has those girls wrapped around her fingers, and it was interesting to see at the merge her walk away and talk with Dave. This girl is definitely playing the game. CP2? For the episode, I don't know it doesn't feel right. But it still feels a lot better than Mick's UTR1 merge episode. That ISN'T edgic!! And Natalie had TWO debatable INVs for the record: Episode 1 AND 2. Having a great strategy (and she does, I LOVE this girl) isn't Edgic people!! Half of Edgic is LOGIC. logic: the principles that guide reasoning within a given field or situation In terms of EDITING, it's logic to do with why the editors do things. Otherwise this would be just another pointless "I think _____wins because they are playing a good game!" thread (although many can argue that Edgic IS pointless..)
BlakeB717		#2411	[-]
Posts: 2056 (11/05/09 9:37 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: BlakeB717 wrote: astroline wrote: Holy shit at the VF chart, but thanks Warrior. I'm surprised that Laura was only a 3. CPN3 it is. Technically, isn't it too late for us to now change our "official" Edgic picks? We're supposed to have them BY the merge, it's in the guidelines. So everyone picked Mick, except for myself (Russell H.) and getting real (Natalie). Or am I missing someone? There is no rule saying you have to pick a winner by a certain time and you're stuck with it. It's just what they tended to do in older edgic and some veterans stick by it. I think it's a good philosophy, since the post-merge can fool you, but it isn't an Edgic requirement or anything. It's not like if anyone changes to RussH now and he wins that makes them less worthy of their "pick". They're equally entitled to the "success" as everyone else who chose that person (except if you change it right before the finale, sorry Kitty! <3). But Mick probably wins so we should have a lot of winners in this thread this season!! :) Well, since I was the ONLY Bob picker, I guess I'm still above all the rest of ya'll. :P True
McPhever224		#2412	[-]
Posts: 370 (11/05/09 9:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BlakeB717 wrote: McPhever224 wrote: BlakeB717 wrote: McPhever224 wrote: Natalie is officially my pick. I really don't care if she had a debatable INV, she has those girls wrapped around her fingers, and it was interesting to see at the merge her walk away and talk with Dave. This girl is definitely playing the game. CP2? For the episode, I don't know it doesn't feel right. But it still feels a lot better than Mick's UTR1 merge episode. That ISN'T edgic!! And Natalie had TWO debatable INVs for the record: Episode 1 AND 2. Having a great strategy (and she does, I LOVE this girl) isn't Edgic people!! Half of Edgic is LOGIC. logic: the principles that guide reasoning within a given field or situation In terms of EDITING, it's logic to do with why the editors do things. Otherwise this would be just another pointless "I think _____wins because they are playing a good game!" thread (although many can argue that Edgic IS pointless..) But you can argue that Natalie is being crafted well as a character. Something about her edit jumps out at me. From the woman's intuition with Betsy, to the sister bonding with Ashley. It just seems like the editors are crafting her as a character much more than they are with Mick, who could still probably be more (typically) edgically viable.
astroline		#2413	[-]
Posts: 2730 (11/05/09 9:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ooo, so what? At least they're contributing instead of just bitching all the time like you do. The only time you post in here is always to cut someone down or make negative/sarcastic comments. I can not think of the last time I saw an insightful, in-depth, more than a couple paragraphs with actual reasoning from you. Even if people have problems with me, and even though I have problems with Blake, we both at least still post detailed, long posts every week. Not just bitchy comments about nothing (or crying about Erinn). I'm sticking with Russell H. for the rest of the season. I picked him by the merge and now it's too late to change it. I hope everyone else sticks to the same. A lot of people claim "rules" with Edgic -- such as the premiere & merge episodes being the 2 most important ones, and choosing the winner by the merge and sticking with it until that person gets voted out, but it seems like nobody wants to follow those now, because it'll make it inconvienent for their Marcus Mick winner pick. You can't pick and choose what Edgic guidelines you want to follow at a given time. I've learned from that. As soon as Liz got her INV, she was off my list completely. Natalie was only my #4 for 2 weeks but never even on my actual Contenders chart and I never voted for her. I've learned a lot, but the one thing I am NOT going to do (still) is "play it safe" by picking the person who "violates Edgic rules the least". Aren't all Edgic rules equal? Nobody has ever said they weren't. That's like Christians who preach about homosexuality being wrong and yet go off and cheat on their spouses, get divorces, and eat shellfish. But it's okay. A weak merge episode is SO much better than a weak premiere episode (with 20 people, not 12), an INV (in the episode where almost half the cast was INV, and several winners have had debatable INV's as well), or super visibility and negativity (even though the season's storyline depends around this person 100%). But hey, if it makes it easier for you to still pick Marcus Mick, go for it. Blake, I've seen SO MANY POSTS since I've been here (and you too) since Fiji, where everyone talks about the premiere/merge episodes, picking the winner by the merge, and now you're dismissing all of it? Because it's convenient for your Mick selection? Kitty, good points on Jaison. I like him a lot but I'm still not seeing him as a winner, just an end-gamer. I have to stick with Russell H.
Oowatanite		#2414	[-]
Posts: 9229 (11/05/09 9:39 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	scepticA wrote: But none of the arguments for Nat or RH or Probst (funny line about not caring who Shambo votes for, btw) are edgic justified. Someone argued that a Probst win is edgically justified ? Which dumbass Edgicer said that ? And what a horrible twist by Burnett - the host being eligible to win the game. Survivor has officially jumped the shark.
BlakeB717		#2415	[-]
Posts: 2057 (11/05/09 9:39 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	McPhever224 wrote: BlakeB717 wrote: McPhever224 wrote: BlakeB717 wrote: McPhever224 wrote: Natalie is officially my pick. I really don't care if she had a debatable INV, she has those girls wrapped around her fingers, and it was interesting to see at the merge her walk away and talk with Dave. This girl is definitely playing the game. CP2? For the episode, I don't know it doesn't feel right. But it still feels a lot better than Mick's UTR1 merge episode. That ISN'T edgic!! And Natalie had TWO debatable INVs for the record: Episode 1 AND 2. Having a great strategy (and she does, I LOVE this girl) isn't Edgic people!! Half of Edgic is LOGIC. logic: the principles that guide reasoning within a given field or situation In terms of EDITING, it's logic to do with why the editors do things. Otherwise this would be just another pointless "I think _____wins because they are playing a good game!" thread (although many can argue that Edgic IS pointless..) But you can argue that Natalie is being crafted well as a character. Something about her edit jumps out at me. From the woman's intuition with Betsy, to the sister bonding with Ashley. It just seems like the editors are crafting her as a character much more than they are with Mick, who could still probably be more (typically) edgically viable. UTR in 5 of the 8 episodes is not craft, unfortunately. We don't know anything about her except that she's Russ' puppet and she's making personal relationships.
Oowatanite		#2416	[-]
Posts: 9230 (11/05/09 9:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Well, since I was the ONLY Bob picker, I guess I'm still above all the rest of ya'll. :P Yeah, that was quite the winner pick, happening just before the Gabon finale. Congrats on that !
McPhever224		#2417	[-]
Posts: 371 (11/05/09 9:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BlakeB717 wrote: McPhever224 wrote: BlakeB717 wrote: McPhever224 wrote: BlakeB717 wrote: McPhever224 wrote: Natalie is officially my pick. I really don't care if she had a debatable INV, she has those girls wrapped around her fingers, and it was interesting to see at the merge her walk away and talk with Dave. This girl is definitely playing the game. CP2? For the episode, I don't know it doesn't feel right. But it still feels a lot better than Mick's UTR1 merge episode. That ISN'T edgic!! And Natalie had TWO debatable INVs for the record: Episode 1 AND 2. Having a great strategy (and she does, I LOVE this girl) isn't Edgic people!! Half of Edgic is LOGIC. logic: the principles that guide reasoning within a given field or situation In terms of EDITING, it's logic to do with why the editors do things. Otherwise this would be just another pointless "I think _____wins because they are playing a good game!" thread (although many can argue that Edgic IS pointless..) But you can argue that Natalie is being crafted well as a character. Something about her edit jumps out at me. From the woman's intuition with Betsy, to the sister bonding with Ashley. It just seems like the editors are crafting her as a character much more than they are with Mick, who could still probably be more (typically) edgically viable. UTR in 5 of the 8 episodes is not craft, unfortunately. We don't know anything about her except that she's Russ' puppet and she's making personal relationships. Point taken. But what do we know about Mick, the only thing I can tell you is that he is a doctor, and he is allied with Russ.
YemaGrl1988		#2418	[-]
Posts: 8278 (11/05/09 9:46 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Us Kids Know wrote: ZombieLinda wrote: Natalie aka Polly Sue was N E V E R INV anyway you ignorant goons. She was clearly UTR1 and even if she was INV you could argue that she was connected to Ashley's CP winners edit since they were sisters and kindred spirits. Polly inherited Ashley's strong edit when Ashley was voted off and continued where it left off. Mick has had a few shots of him sitting in a tree with his pubes sticking out and he gets airtime because he's a dreamy Montanan with decent confessionals for boring narration purposes. Who else was an edgic pick that was a bland Montanan hottie with dull narrator confessionals and reaction shots??? MICK = MALE AMANDA. POLLY THE PUREBRED MERMAID IS A MORE EDGICALLY VIABLE WINNER THAN MICK NOW. DEAL WITH IT. nothing else in the universe has made more sense to me than this.
BlakeB717		#2419	[-]
Posts: 2058 (11/05/09 9:46 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Blake, I've seen SO MANY POSTS since I've been here (and you too) since Fiji, where everyone talks about the premiere/merge episodes, picking the winner by the merge, and now you're dismissing all of it? Because it's convenient for your Mick selection? Alright, I'm going to say it because you're getting way too excited--watch it, astro. There are NO GUIDELINES or RULES stating that ANY participant in Edgic HAS to stand by ANY player after the merge. None whatsoever. It isn't a rule, it's something that most people back in the day did because they believed the winner's edit would be proved pre-merge and that the merge would tie up loose ends. I understand that you are excited because Mick got a UTR1. I understand that you think Russ H will win. I don't understand, however, why you feel the need to tell anyone else that they cannot pick Russ H because they didn't pick him last week. You aren't the boss, so please don't dictate what everyone else can or can't do. If Russ H wins there will not be a "Hail astro, master edgicer!" thread: many, like myself, will be glad to bring your past winner picks (Cassandra, Corinne, Liz) to remind you how successful you have been in the past. Edgic isn't about credit or track record: it's a hobby for most (at least for me) that enjoys analyzing. If you're not an analytical, in-depth person and rather came here for bragging rights, you've probably come to the wrong place. I know what you're trying to do, even though you aren't being blunt about it. I also do not plan on changing my winner pick, since Mick (according to what I believe and have interpretted) will be winning--so it isn't "convenient" at all. I am reminding you are there are no rules and you are entitled to nothing. Rant over, probably going to get an essay about how I'm a condesending piece of shit--what else is new?
Kitty Pryde1		#2420	[-]
Posts: 10863 (11/05/09 9:48 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Well, since I was the ONLY Bob picker, I guess I'm still above all the rest of ya'll. :P Yeah, that was quite the winner pick, happening just before the Gabon finale. Congrats on that ! How'd that Erinn pick turn out for you last season, tiger?

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