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S-19 Edgic (editing and logic)
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 BlakeB717 |
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Posts: 2086 (11/06/09 5:14 PM) Registered user |
SkyDreamer wrote: Nope! Amber got one. |
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rioothello |
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Posts: 13 (11/06/09 5:15 PM) |
BlakeB717 wrote: There you go, ruining things again. Confessionals aren't a big deal anyway...We did see Natalie making a deal with Russell, she was mentioned by Russell, and her and Betsy were talking about a women's intuition.
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BlakeB717 |
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Posts: 2087 (11/06/09 5:16 PM) Registered user |
rioothello wrote: ... Interesting. Telling the truth is ruining things. Is that why everyone suddenly is sure Mick loses? Because it isn't the truth? |
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rioothello |
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Posts: 14 (11/06/09 5:18 PM) |
BlakeB717 wrote: well, like you said, the winner hasn't had an UTR for the merge since S3... :) |
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BlakeB717 |
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Posts: 2088 (11/06/09 5:22 PM) Registered user |
rioothello wrote: And like I said, a winner hasn't been UTR/INV 3 episodes in a row (and going to TC all three times) since... HM CAN'T SEEM TO RECALL. =o |
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rioothello |
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Posts: 15 (11/06/09 5:29 PM) |
Well Amber was close to that record.
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Griffin |
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Posts: 4 (11/06/09 6:16 PM) |
I didn't give Natalie an INV in Ep 2. The whole sequence with Ashley asking her about Ben chopping wood at night took a good 8-10 seconds due to the
pausing between sentences and that's good enough for me not to give her INV. It was definitely more than "we should call him Poseidon".
And the reason I've written Mick off is not only this UTR1 - that was just the final nail in the coffin. If he was the winner, we didn't get hear anything about why he voted Ashley over Marisa? Why can't he make fire? Why does Monica think he has a death wish? If he's the winner, why is it that Natalie/Russell/Shambo all have very obvious FTC connections and he doesn't? Unless the producers have gone off the deep end and are holding a Final Four FTC, editing patterns of previous finalists dictate that Mick is not in the Final Tribal Council. Even Susie had something about it - she kept saying to Marcus that she "just wants that Final Three". While there have been instances where finalists have lacked that (Courtney Yates, I'm guessing) there have been few instances where the converse is true - where someone has a FTC connection and doesn't make it. This says that the F3 is Nat/Russ/Sham. Mick gets fourth at best. |
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Posts: 2046 (11/06/09 6:22 PM) Edgician |
cindi said
I have to kind of chuckle at how gleeful some people seem to be to finally have an "excuse" to eliminate Mick. And that sounds eerily like what happened with Todd at the merge in China, doesn't it. Michael |
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BlakeB717 |
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Posts: 2089 (11/06/09 6:25 PM) Registered user |
Griffin wrote: -Him voting Ashley shows that he's out of the loop. For a leader, that looks really bad. The editors have been very careful about making him look bad (given the circumstances, Probst and the editors have a lot of opportunity to say something about his leadership). He had an exchange with Mike in E1 by the first which gave an inkling as to why he may have voted Ashley: she's weak. -Mick not making fire was a scene about Ben thinking he knows everything. It also, in a way, gave him characterization because Ben said that Mick isn't a country boy. -Just because Monica says he has a death wish doesn't mean he loses--plenty of people have made statements that come out untrue (ala JFP saying Sandra won't be in the F4 or win) -We just had our first juror. It's a little soon to be banking on Jury connections. There is plenty of time for him to get some. Also, he has one with all 3 Foa Foas and Shambo anyways. If it's a Final 3, then Mick has a least 2 connections there. -Mick said he's there to win and there to be loyal. He said it in Episode 3 in an important exchange with Russell |
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Griffin |
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Posts: 5 (11/06/09 6:37 PM) |
Him voting Ashley shows that he's out of the loop. For a leader, that looks really bad. The editors have been very careful about making him look bad (given the circumstances, Probst and the editors have a lot of opportunity to say something about his leadership). He had an exchange with Mike in E1 by the first which gave an inkling as to why he may have voted Ashley: she's weak. This could be true, but haven't you been saying that Mick isn't really the leader because he's been pawning that role off on Ben and Russell? If so, should it really matter that he voted against Ashley? -Mick not making fire was a scene about Ben thinking he knows everything. It also, in a way, gave him characterization because Ben said that Mick isn't a country boy.But I'm sure that similar variations of the same scene had Jaison, Russell, and whoever else failing to start the fire as well. And yet they chose to show the one with Mick. Just because Monica says he has a death wish doesn't mean he loses--plenty of people have made statements that come out untrue (ala JFP saying Sandra won't be in the F4 or win) Fairplay talking about Sandra was a very overt, "this is what's going to happen" quote that was stated by the main villain of the season. Monica's confessional was indirect but still reasonably obvious, and it was said by someone who no one knew anything about at that point. It was the first subtitled confessional, which is a confessional often used to set up a theme for the season. We just had our first juror. It's a little soon to be banking on Jury connections. There is plenty of time for him to get some. Also, he has one with all 3 Foa Foas and Shambo anyways. If it's a Final 3, then Mick has a least 2 connections there. True, but why would they throw in the Russell/Natalie confessionals if there wasn't going to be a conclusion to them? I doubt it's supposed to be a red herring or something, the Survivor editors are not that subtle. Same goes for Shambo's line to Erik/John.
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Posts: 221 (11/06/09 7:12 PM) I don't take hints
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Based on last night's episode, a Jaison boot is inevitable in my opinion:
*Sudden spike of airtime/arc *Said something about as long as he outlast Erik, he'll be fine leaving the game NOTE: cindidindi76 already beat me to it! 
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cindidindi76 |
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Posts: 20396 (11/06/09 8:03 PM) Registered User |
I'm quick like that. ; )
Astro, does your mom know you always use her to try to justify your ratings and/or winner picks? I hope you buy her good gifts, lol. |
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NickF227 |
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Posts: 12468 (11/06/09 8:23 PM) |
Are we allowed to bring up the insider scenes in here?
Because there is one they used(And a few in the past) they could've inserted if Mick was the winner and flesh out his character but they didn't...Especially this episode, he has a great confessional about not being the 'leader' anymore and being a guest in Galu's camp and all that fun shit. |
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Posts: 28 (11/06/09 8:25 PM) |
And like I said, a winner hasn't been UTR/INV 3 episodes in a row (and going to TC all three times) since... HM CAN'T SEEM TO RECALL. =oAmber in All Stars was UTR1 INV UTRP3. It has happened, just like Ethan's Merge UTR1 and Jenna's quitting discussion. ETA Oops didn't see the Tribal bit the first time. But an UTR start is not unheard of for a winner.
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astroline |
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Posts: 2733 (11/06/09 8:26 PM) Registered user |
Yeah, she knows. None of my friends or my boyfriend watch Survivor so she's the only person I can talk about it with in real-life, although last semester
when I was in Cyprus I did get 2 of my friends to watch Tocantins with me and I think I referenced them as my casual viewer barometers instead, but I might
have not since I didn't post that much last season anyway.
Initial ratings. AIGA Brett -- UTR1 Dave -- UTR1 Erik -- CPN4 Jaison -- MORP4 John -- MOR3 Kelly -- UTR1 Laura -- CPN3 Mick -- UTR1 Monica -- UTR2 Natalie -- CP2 Russell H. -- CPN5 Shambo -- MORM4 I might bump Erik up to a 5, Laura up to a 4, Natalie up to a 3, but for now that's where I have them. I'm unsure of John's rating, I saw it as pretty blah and MOR but I could be missing something. Shambo could also be P because she had the very sympathetic music during her initial confrontation with Laura and that was clearly just a P editing trick, but all the continued backlash against Laura could be seeing as annoying, along with the usual NSPV, so I'm leaving her as M for now. Winner's list... 1. Russell H. |
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MasterDarkNinja |
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Posts: 2863 (11/06/09 8:26 PM) Registered User |
You know... I've just been thinking, with it likely that a F3 faces the jury, someone is likely the token UTR F3 loser, we've had one each time
they've done a F3, Susie, Amanda, Becky, Cassandra. Three of the four of them were shown as lazy, and tended to have a negative tone at times in the
season, with the exception of Amanda.
I think Natalie seems like an appealing choice for this role, very UTR, some N/clueness moments (or rather, Russel disses her and calls her dumb, and we rarely see her perspective to counter that image, premerge anyway), and she definitely has the end game connections. No one from Gelu strikes me as fitting a UTR F3 loser mold, though Monica is maybe the closest, since she was the most memorable of all the Gelu UTR people from early on in the season in my opinion. The only other person who strikes me as maybe being a fit to the UTR F3 loser is Mick, due to how bland and unmemorable he is, but all of the other F3 UTR losers in the past were more memorable then him at this point, they got early episodes that let us at least remember who they were, Mick just seems too forgettable for an UTR F3 loser to me. And now I'll prepare myself for the Mick supporters trying to cut off my head for saying Mick isn't even memorable enough to be a F3 loser. *sarcasm*
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BlakeB717 |
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Posts: 2092 (11/06/09 8:29 PM) Registered user |
AveryC wrote: Amber didn't go to TC during any of those episodes (there were three tribes, Chapera had a few scenes and she was included with Rob at the start--don't compare this to Russ/Nat since Russ made several alliances and we didn't even know Natalie's name: she was "dumber long-haired blonde"), it was an All-Star season (many other big characters), and Amber--based on the edgic chart--was UTRP1 UTR1 OTTP2. Those numbers you have are strictly chaperarocks' opinion. Consider the circumstances. |
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scepticA |
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Posts: 1762 (11/06/09 8:31 PM) Registered User |
Whether you're "allowed" to mention insider clips is kind of no big deal, and as long as you just say "insdier clip info" or what have
you should suffice. After all, CBS is putting it out. However...
I'm no fan of insider stuff pertaining to edgic. If it ain't on at 8 PM (7 Mountain and Central) then it isn't part of edgic. Besides, what is described in that insider clip is nothing new. The fact he was no longer leader is rather obvious, given that the Foa Foa ceased to exist. Also, the fact that they felt like guests in the Galu camp was presented by the edit anyway. There was some tension there, and Erik's OTT TC rant just put the general mood in Bold Underlined Italics. I'm not a fan of redundant confessionals that merely restate what we already know. Including a clip that is little more than narration neither hurts nor hinders any player's chances. Mick's chances re edgic rise or fall based on what was in the show. Just like eveyrone else's. ETA: MDN, I understand your rationale for Russell. And also your dissing of Mick. I just see the entire odd edit of the whole frigging season and come to a different conclusion. No biggee either way. Jeez - some people take this crap way too seriously.
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BlakeB717 |
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Posts: 2093 (11/06/09 8:32 PM) Registered user |
AveryC wrote: It is unheard of: it unofficially happened once in a themed season. |
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