Is Jaison hugry enough to win? Maybe not as hungry as Russel.

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Suikoden		#41	[-]
Posts: 24 (11/08/09 12:57 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Anyone can come up with a name, kay?
survivorisdabest		#42	[-]
Posts: 3855 (11/08/09 1:08 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I never said he had no impact, i said he had little impact which is true.
SPunKeeMonKee		#43	[-]
Posts: 12671 (11/08/09 1:16 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	He still had more of an impact compared to Mick, Bret, Monica or Kelly, he had that hilarious argument with Erik at TC and he was one of the boot options. Seems like an important part of the episode to me.
Gestalt		#44	[-]
Posts: 355 (11/08/09 1:23 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 wrote: survivorisdabest wrote: It's hard to talk about someone when they have no personality and little impact on the episode outcome. Little impact? He came up with the idea to get rid of Erik after Erik approached them with the fake ultimatum. If it were not for Jaison's instincts that Erik was lying and gunning for Jaison while also flushing out the Foa Four idol, I highly doubt Natalie would have focused her scrambling energy on Erik. Think about it. He gave her the correct direction based on an instinctual hypothesis, and she spun the getting Monica out story to implicate Erik. It turned out his hypothesis was correct! This does not negate Natalie's social game and pragmatic know how, but come on! You cannot possibly believe Jaison had no impact on the final outcome! X
River50		#45	[-]
Posts: 203 (11/08/09 2:09 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	survivorisdabest wrote: I never said he had no impact, i said he had little impact which is true. I quoted you directly, so the first point is moot. As far as the second point, I addressed that in my previous comment. It's just not true.
River50		#46	[-]
Posts: 205 (11/08/09 2:29 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	WonderBread wrote: I just feel like people want Jaison to be the Osten 2.0 just because some guy who looked like him quit several seasons ago. I agree he did whine a lot pre-merge FORGIVE HIM!! its a hard mental game Psychological game. Candice annoyed me in Cook Islands when she complained and cried about going to exile, but I steel think she was the better female players that season and called Yul and Jonathan out on their bull. Ugh, I hated Candace and I loved watching her cry like a baby on exile.
Outback		#47	[-]
Posts: 61 (11/08/09 5:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	It was Nat and the Galu girls that took out Erik. Erik was overplaying and painted a target on his back by doing so. Erik should have played low key and assured the Galu girls to stick with a plan to vote out Jaison.
TheWizard		#48	[-]
Posts: 176 (11/08/09 5:29 PM) "Thought it was Outwit, Outplay, Outgrow" Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 wrote: survivorisdabest wrote: It's hard to talk about someone when they have no personality and little impact on the episode outcome. Little impact? He came up with the idea to get rid of Erik after Erik approached them with the fake ultimatum. If it were not for Jaison's instincts that Erik was lying and gunning for Jaison while also flushing out the Foa Four idol, I highly doubt Natalie would have focused her scrambling energy on Erik. Think about it. He gave her the correct direction based on an instinctual hypothesis, and she spun the getting Monica out story to implicate Erik. It turned out his hypothesis was correct! This does not negate Natalie's social game and pragmatic know how, but come on! You cannot possibly believe Jaison had no impact on the final outcome! It really seemed to me that Jaison put up Erik's name just out of spite. His "let the ball roll" mentality is the exact opposite of strategic. Natalie was the one who turned it into a working strategy by convincing Galu to go along with it. Anybody can come up with a name, and if you happen to mention the name of the person who gets voted out, that doesn't mean you're responsible for their elimination. On the other hand, I also agree that Natalie probably would have just accepted the Monica vote if not for Jaison, so he definitely deserves some credit. But the blog's about strategy, and I don't think it was a strategic play on his part. I was a major Jaison booster pre-game and I've been disappointed we haven't seen more good strategy from him. I really want to devote a blog to him or to Dave Ball, but there hasn't been the opportunity yet. I keep hoping that there's some more smart maneuvering to come from them now that they've merged.
River50		#49	[-]
Posts: 207 (11/08/09 7:56 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	TheWizard wrote: River50 wrote: survivorisdabest wrote: It's hard to talk about someone when they have no personality and little impact on the episode outcome. Little impact? He came up with the idea to get rid of Erik after Erik approached them with the fake ultimatum. If it were not for Jaison's instincts that Erik was lying and gunning for Jaison while also flushing out the Foa Four idol, I highly doubt Natalie would have focused her scrambling energy on Erik. Think about it. He gave her the correct direction based on an instinctual hypothesis, and she spun the getting Monica out story to implicate Erik. It turned out his hypothesis was correct! This does not negate Natalie's social game and pragmatic know how, but come on! You cannot possibly believe Jaison had no impact on the final outcome! It really seemed to me that Jaison put up Erik's name just out of spite. His "let the ball roll" mentality is the exact opposite of strategic. Natalie was the one who turned it into a working strategy by convincing Galu to go along with it. Anybody can come up with a name, and if you happen to mention the name of the person who gets voted out, that doesn't mean you're responsible for their elimination. On the other hand, I also agree that Natalie probably would have just accepted the Monica vote if not for Jaison, so he definitely deserves some credit. But the blog's about strategy, and I don't think it was a strategic play on his part. I was a major Jaison booster pre-game and I've been disappointed we haven't seen more good strategy from him. I really want to devote a blog to him or to Dave Ball, but there hasn't been the opportunity yet. I keep hoping that there's some more smart maneuvering to come from them now that they've merged. Jaison didn't merely put out a name - he persuaded ALL of his tribe mates that his instincts were correct and that Erik was the one to vote for - otherwise they would have voted for Monica as Erik demanded. It wasn't spite. He knew he was in danger and on the chopping block going into the merge. This directed Natalie's efforts to swing some votes the the Foa Four way. And, in the long run, to the extent that Erik exposed himself as a completely patronizing jerk who was obviously still playing a tribal game rather than an individual game post merge, and add to that the fact that the votes went as Jaison suspected, Jaison was completely vindicated after TC. His tribe mates will be amenable to trusting his instincts in the future. As far as strategy goes while playing an individual game, it does not hurt when your instincts turn out to be correct, and that all was not for nothing! He did very well for himself, I just wish more people could see the subtleties of what he did. It reminds me of when someone in academics writes up some brilliant idea that someone else thought up and consequently grabs up all of the credit because they were more quick put the leg work to the idea and publish the research findings. It still wasn't their brilliant idea. They just knew how to make it work, and make it work fast. I'm so glad to hear of a blog possibly devoted to Jaison and Dave - and maybe I'm not as mad at you now. I like both Jaison and Dave (but I obviously like one of them more)! We can at least both hope that the two of them don't disappoint.
mecansodemactors		#50	[-]
Posts: 181 (11/08/09 8:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 wrote: TheWizard wrote: River50 wrote: survivorisdabest wrote: It's hard to talk about someone when they have no personality and little impact on the episode outcome. Little impact? He came up with the idea to get rid of Erik after Erik approached them with the fake ultimatum. If it were not for Jaison's instincts that Erik was lying and gunning for Jaison while also flushing out the Foa Four idol, I highly doubt Natalie would have focused her scrambling energy on Erik. Think about it. He gave her the correct direction based on an instinctual hypothesis, and she spun the getting Monica out story to implicate Erik. It turned out his hypothesis was correct! This does not negate Natalie's social game and pragmatic know how, but come on! You cannot possibly believe Jaison had no impact on the final outcome! It really seemed to me that Jaison put up Erik's name just out of spite. His "let the ball roll" mentality is the exact opposite of strategic. Natalie was the one who turned it into a working strategy by convincing Galu to go along with it. Anybody can come up with a name, and if you happen to mention the name of the person who gets voted out, that doesn't mean you're responsible for their elimination. On the other hand, I also agree that Natalie probably would have just accepted the Monica vote if not for Jaison, so he definitely deserves some credit. But the blog's about strategy, and I don't think it was a strategic play on his part. I was a major Jaison booster pre-game and I've been disappointed we haven't seen more good strategy from him. I really want to devote a blog to him or to Dave Ball, but there hasn't been the opportunity yet. I keep hoping that there's some more smart maneuvering to come from them now that they've merged. Jaison didn't merely put out a name - he persuaded ALL of his tribe mates that his instincts were correct and that Erik was the one to vote for - otherwise they would have voted for Monica as Erik demanded. It wasn't spite. He knew he was in danger and on the chopping block going into the merge. This directed Natalie's efforts to swing some votes the the Foa Four way. And, in the long run, to the extent that Erik exposed himself as a completely patronizing jerk who was obviously still playing a tribal game rather than an individual game post merge, and add to that the fact that the votes went as Jaison suspected, Jaison was completely vindicated after TC. His tribe mates will be amenable to trusting his instincts in the future. As far as strategy goes while playing an individual game, it does not hurt when your instincts turn out to be correct, and that all was not for nothing! He did very well for himself, I just wish more people could see the subtleties of what he did. It reminds me of when someone in academics writes up some brilliant idea that someone else thought up and consequently grabs up all of the credit because they were more quick put the leg work to the idea and publish the research findings. It still wasn't their brilliant idea. They just knew how to make it work, and make it work fast. I'm so glad to hear of a blog possibly devoted to Jaison and Dave - and maybe I'm not as mad at you now. I like both Jaison and Dave (but I obviously like one of them more)! We can at least both hope that the two of them don't disappoint. Wow you're dumb. Jaison is a whiny idiot. It was totally Natownage.
River50		#51	[-]
Posts: 209 (11/08/09 8:21 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Wow you're dumb. Jaison is a whiny idiot. It was totally Natownage. What a compelling argument! At any rate, thanks for the bump
mecansodemactors		#52	[-]
Posts: 183 (11/08/09 8:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 <3. Clearly i'm too drunk on a sunday to argue any further.
River50		#53	[-]
Posts: 210 (11/08/09 8:25 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	mecansodemactors wrote: River50 <3. Clearly i'm too drunk on a sunday to argue any further. Aw, my first heart on sucks! I'm so happy.
SS MagicMark		#54	[-]
Posts: 1378 (11/09/09 12:03 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Die Apokalyptischen Reiter wrote: Katy Carney wrote: someone will tell him that black guys can't win Survivor and he'll make it his mission to dominate the rest of the season. X
co coach		#55	[-]
Posts: 551 (11/09/09 1:00 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	He's more superhero than anyone guessed. He normally poses as a mild-mannered whiny pathetic castaway, but by anyone's offending powers combined, he is Captain Hardcore Gamer!
TheWizard		#56	[-]
Posts: 182 (11/09/09 8:52 AM) "Thought it was Outwit, Outplay, Outgrow" Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 wrote: Jaison didn't merely put out a name - he persuaded ALL of his tribe mates that his instincts were correct and that Erik was the one to vote for - otherwise they would have voted for Monica as Erik demanded. It wasn't spite. He knew he was in danger and on the chopping block going into the merge. This directed Natalie's efforts to swing some votes the the Foa Four way. And, in the long run, to the extent that Erik exposed himself as a completely patronizing jerk who was obviously still playing a tribal game rather than an individual game post merge, and add to that the fact that the votes went as Jaison suspected, Jaison was completely vindicated after TC. His tribe mates will be amenable to trusting his instincts in the future. As far as strategy goes while playing an individual game, it does not hurt when your instincts turn out to be correct, and that all was not for nothing! He did very well for himself, I just wish more people could see the subtleties of what he did. It reminds me of when someone in academics writes up some brilliant idea that someone else thought up and consequently grabs up all of the credit because they were more quick put the leg work to the idea and publish the research findings. It still wasn't their brilliant idea. They just knew how to make it work, and make it work fast. I'm so glad to hear of a blog possibly devoted to Jaison and Dave - and maybe I'm not as mad at you now. I like both Jaison and Dave (but I obviously like one of them more)! We can at least both hope that the two of them don't disappoint. I am really opposed to the "having an idea for a name" = strategy school of thought. There is nothing but downtime on Survivor, and believe me every single person out there is constantly running every single scenario. Even the non-strategic players have their little fantasy games in their head. It's so easy to think, "Erik is mean. I want him out" and so hard to actually be the one to eliminate him. Having a brilliant academic idea doesn't equate, because there are no "brilliant" name suggestions. There are only 11 other people in the tribe - not that many options. And it wasn't like Jaison came up with, say, eliminating Dave Ball or Brett in some strange strategic coup. Erik was the guy being mean to him right then. It was a direct response to stimulus. That said, I think you're right that I'm probably underestimating Jaison's importance in the move bc I do feel so frustrated that he's not doing more! Oh and River <3. I've always enjoyed your posts, even when I wasn't allowed to respond.
Baby VOX		#57	[-]
Posts: 439 (11/09/09 10:01 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	survivorisdabest wrote: It's hard to talk about someone when they have no personality and little impact on the episode outcome. You weren't watching were you?
River50		#58	[-]
Posts: 215 (11/09/09 11:34 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	TheWizard wrote: River50 wrote: Jaison didn't merely put out a name - he persuaded ALL of his tribe mates that his instincts were correct and that Erik was the one to vote for - otherwise they would have voted for Monica as Erik demanded. It wasn't spite. He knew he was in danger and on the chopping block going into the merge. This directed Natalie's efforts to swing some votes the the Foa Four way. And, in the long run, to the extent that Erik exposed himself as a completely patronizing jerk who was obviously still playing a tribal game rather than an individual game post merge, and add to that the fact that the votes went as Jaison suspected, Jaison was completely vindicated after TC. His tribe mates will be amenable to trusting his instincts in the future. As far as strategy goes while playing an individual game, it does not hurt when your instincts turn out to be correct, and that all was not for nothing! He did very well for himself, I just wish more people could see the subtleties of what he did. It reminds me of when someone in academics writes up some brilliant idea that someone else thought up and consequently grabs up all of the credit because they were more quick put the leg work to the idea and publish the research findings. It still wasn't their brilliant idea. They just knew how to make it work, and make it work fast. I'm so glad to hear of a blog possibly devoted to Jaison and Dave - and maybe I'm not as mad at you now. I like both Jaison and Dave (but I obviously like one of them more)! We can at least both hope that the two of them don't disappoint. I am really opposed to the "having an idea for a name" = strategy school of thought. There is nothing but downtime on Survivor, and believe me every single person out there is constantly running every single scenario. Even the non-strategic players have their little fantasy games in their head. It's so easy to think, "Erik is mean. I want him out" and so hard to actually be the one to eliminate him. Having a brilliant academic idea doesn't equate, because there are no "brilliant" name suggestions. There are only 11 other people in the tribe - not that many options. And it wasn't like Jaison came up with, say, eliminating Dave Ball or Brett in some strange strategic coup. Erik was the guy being mean to him right then. It was a direct response to stimulus. That said, I think you're right that I'm probably underestimating Jaison's importance in the move bc I do feel so frustrated that he's not doing more! Oh and River <3. I've always enjoyed your posts, even when I wasn't allowed to respond. I'd argue further, but I'm just all excited about a <3 from Stephen. Aw, you're throwing me off my game ! (Stephen <3) But why would you ever not be allowed to respond? Did you lurk during Tocantins? That's when I first started posting around here, and I don't think I did a very good job of it Last Edited By: River50 11/09/09 11:36 AM. Edited 1 times.
Ua Pu		#59	[-]
Posts: 267 (11/09/09 11:54 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	<3 Jaison
OrsNaz		#60	[-]
Posts: 317 (11/09/09 12:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River, its fine that you like Jaison. He obv isn't a terrible player if he made it to the final 4 in his tribe and managed to survive being pagonged. However, I can't for the life of me understand how you give him any sort of credit for Eriks blindside. Natalie gets 100% credit for that. She is the one who built the relationship with Laura. She is the one who decided to take Jaisons pathetic "We are done anyways, lets just throw 4 votes his way because I don't like him" idea and work with it. Jaison quit the game at that moment.

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Is Jaison hugry enough to win? Maybe not as hungry as Russel.