Also, based on the official chart AND cantthinkofaname's SPV chart, Chris was a 2 visibility. That alone saves him.
Thanks for playing! :)

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Lol if this is the Episode Bubba told Chris to think about the merge, he definitely wasn't INV.
Also, based on the official chart AND cantthinkofaname's SPV chart, Chris was a 2 visibility. That alone saves him. Thanks for playing! :) |
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cyclehausen |
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Jaison's main Edgic problems are multiple "quitting / I wish I wasn't here" comments plus his possible/probable redemption edit.Actually, these aren't Edgic problems, are they? They're story arc problems. They only become Edgic problems when they start to take over his tone. I know I lurk and don't participate much, but I'm jumping in. And seeing the guidelines again, I'm going to go out on a limb and pick Jaison over Mick. 1) The winner may have ups and downs, but is typically not hidden or way over the top. - -Both fit. Actually, Mick really has no ups or downs. Jaison does. 2) Over the course of the game the winner is closer to middle of the road. -Both fit. However, Jaison is MOR "overall", as opposed to Mick who is MOR "always." 3) The tribe that has the most complex dynamics and strategy almost always contains the winner. -Both. 4) The ending is always set up to be a somewhat of a 'surprise'. You either don't expect the winner or second place to be there. -I reckon the surprise will be Shambo being there. From a strict editor perspective, anyone from Foa Foa being there is a surprise, too. 5) People who are OTTN for long don't last. - Jaison has had some N, but it's not OTT. Fits Mick because he's toneless. 6) People who are OTTP for long usually last, but don't win. - Jaison has had one OTTP. Fits Mick because he's toneless. 7) If two people are a 'known final pair' then the likelihood of them actually being the final two is almost zero. - Do we even HAVE any known F2 pairs? All F2 pair setups seem to be Russell jokes. |
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Warrior |
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Oo, TID picked Jaison.
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Brazil Luvs Ami |
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I've been a little bit absent from here this season, but I've been doing edgic and that's my chart:
I haven't been voting on the official site because, besides the fact that I'm reading all you post here, I'm not participating in the discussion, so I don't think it's fair to vote since sometimes I have other ratings and I'm not explaining my reasoning for that.. |
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chapera rocks |
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BlakeB717 wrote:Dang, tied fort first now!! CR - 1 Sceptica - 1 Blake - 0 |
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BigJohn043 |
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My pick is Mick
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saltidor |
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i think natali wins.. just a gut feeling.. i want jaison though
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7Sages |
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Brazil Luvs Ami wrote:Wow Monica and Jaison really have a chance at winning? |
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Warrior |
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EPISODE EIGHT "THE MERGE"
The story in this episode is that Foa Foa is not giving up. Down four to eight they can still win this game.
The episode opens focusing on Jaison. He says that they are in a "horribly inferior position". He said that they have to get to the merge and then "divide and conquer". Russell says that they all have to get together with someone from the other tribe. Mick (now sitting up) says "We will take the whole thing down". Mick says that they should work on Laura. Russell tells us that in the other tribe there is segregation and there is unity on their tribe. Then once again he calls his teammates "dumbasses".
After the break we go to GLUE and see the tension between Laura and Shambo. They show us the segregation on GULE.
On to Foa Foa where we see them read the tree mail that hints at a possible merge. We get a confessional from Jaison telling us that they are in a bad position but they are a tight unified group. Russell grabs his HII, tells us that they are a tight group, that you have to out wit you opponent and then off they go.
They meet at the beach and Mick opens the chest and reads the message inside.
Mick tells us how relieved he is that they have merged and that he knew that it was going to be a "hell of a good day".
Monica tells us how great the food was. "A fest fit for royalty."
As Dave toasts the new tribe the camera zooms in on…Mick.
Shambo tells us that she is on a sugar high.
Now back to the story…We see Jaison working John.
Then we see Natalie working Dave.
Now here we see the editors manipulating a clip to make it look like Mick was working Monica. But look where Monica and Mick are sitting.
They now show a close up of Monica saying "I'm not bad right, am not overbearing." … a close up of Mick smiling at her as if they are talking to one another. How would Mick know? He has never meet her before. Then they throw in an audio manipulation of her saying "I'm a good snuggler." By the angle of Mick's body and head he was most likely talking to Laura. Laura is the person that he said that they have to work on in the opening scene. Yet they manipulate the scene so we think that he was having a conversation with Monica.
While all of this is going on Russell tells us that they are "steps ahead" of GLUE.
Then we see Jaison working Laura and Russell working Monica.
Who gets grapes feed to them…the KINGS DO!
Visibility - 1
Visibility - 1
Visibility Weak 5 or Strong 4…he's gone who cares.
Visibility - Weak 4
Visibility - Medium 3
Visibility - 1
Visibility - Strong 3 She had lots of SPV's…enough to jump her up to a 4? Maybe.
Visibility 1
Visibility - Medium 2
Visibility - Strong 2
Visibility - 5+ again.
Visibility - Weak 4
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BlakeB717 |
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Warrior I could kiss you right now!! It was really hard to explain the manipulation (and no one seemed to buy it) but I'm very, very glad
that you used images and actual analysis (especially the Monica not sitting by Mick thing, genius) to show that Mick's UTR1 was NOT all that bad.
There's 12 people--they hid him, but he wasn't useless.
Amazing post dude :) Now THAT is applying LOGIC to EDGIC. |
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Posts: 264 (11/09/09 01:25 PM) |
I just don't get Russel being OTT when he was definitely CP almost the entire episode.
Also, to the people saying Natalie's INV1 doesn't matter because people like Chris or Yul had a DEBATABLE one, there's a difference. Both of them had that during a time when their tribe wasn't really important to the story much at all. Both of their tribes didn't go to TC then. Natalie's INV1 (as well as her UTR1s) happened when her tribe was going to tribal council. |
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getting real |
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BlakeB717 wrote: Yes, fantastic post by Warrior. Applying his nous and analytical skills on individual scenes to complement the Edgic guidelines is indeed masterful work. The kind of thing you've been scoffing at all along when someone applies it to someone other than Mick. Say, to Natalie, for example. |
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Hippochinfat wrote:Okay, if we're gonna argue that Mick's merge is being hidden because he had no reason to be shown...uh, Natalie had absolutely NO reason to be shown in the first few episodes, her strategy wasn't implemented till Episode 4, she was still there in the first 3, just she was outside of the main story arc at that point(Race issues, Foa Foa Sucks, and Russ is a Dick). And we still don't know why Mick voted for Marissa to stay. Wtf was that? |
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Could we please stop the "Chris had an INV" stuff? He was UTR2 that episode. I really don't care if someone says, "well, I thought he was
INV." To have a debate between a meager UTR1 and INV is legitimate (although in most cases I side with UTR, which is both good/bad for potential future
winners). To debate between UTR2 and INV, for a season that was 10 seasons/5 years ago, in order to help explain a pick this season, strains credulity.
Warrior. Boffo. Even your "reserve the right to switch to Jaison" is cool. and I call shotgun on that one. To me they're the only two edgic picks. All others assume the winner will be completely contrary to edgic history. Gotta admit, in a season like this the latter is sure as heck possible. Those who pick Russell aren't nearly in the same loopy category as those who picked Darrah. His win (which I doubt) would at least be understandable. In fact, if he doesn't win the edit for the season would tick me off even more. Some of those guys on Galu seem pretty interesting, but too bad we don't know squat about them because of the editing black hole of Russell. If he loses, the editors assume that his recurring BS stuff is more interesting than getting to know Brett or Dave or John. |
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goohst |
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The females this season have been Shambo, boot, or bust. Edgically, if you had to pick a bust, it's Natalie, then Monica, then Laura, then Kelly.
For the guys, it's a mix of Shambo/Mick/Jaison/Russell, and I don't know who to pick. Everyone has some killer crap to their edit. Shambo is horrible OTTM, Mick is utterly forgettable, Jaison has got the quitting storyline, and Russ is CPNN5. We got 2 distractions, maybe 3, and UTRP Mick. If I look early game as more important, my pick is Mick. If I look at merge as more important, I think I look back to females first and pick Natalie. I don't know my vote yet. Jaison, Mick, Natalie or Russell. Foa Foa. Damn it. |
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Oowatanite |
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Time to count up everyone's winner picks.
This is only an informal poll, so noobs and lurkers are welcome. As Blake said, the "official Edgic winner pick" will come from the voting site. EvilRuss - Astro, augustus, BLA, Runiger, AS, Mick - Blake, OTH, unduli, wallduck, scepticA, Warrior, Abby, BigJohn Natalie - gr, McPhever, CO, Arch, saltitor Jaison - Kitty, Katy, Phoenix, cr, Findan, TID, cycle, Monica - WhoLet, Shambo - Erinn - Oo Anyone else wishing to state their winner pick, please do so in this thread, and I will add them to the tally. |
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BlakeB717 |
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getting real wrote: But it doesn't work when you apply it to Natalie.. |
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BlakeB717 |
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NickF227 wrote: Regarding Mick's vote for Ashley, I personally think it had to do with making him look like he was in-tune with the group. A leader on the outs wouldn't look so good, especially since his strategy was outlined as "painting the target on other people". In reality he did the exact opposite, but the edit certainly doesn't want to contradict that (which is a pretty good case for a Mick win). It also helped further ostracize Betsy in the editting. It made it appear like she was the lone vote for Marisa, and that's why RussH pounced. It amplified sympathy for her position. If Mick loses, then we know it was neglect on his character. If Mick wins, then it's probably the above--an attempt to make him not look bad. ETA: Fixed a spelling error, four hours of sleep does that to you
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Oowatanite wrote: Erinn |
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getting real |
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austrasize BetsyGeez, Australians cop just about everything around here.. |
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