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Posts: 2119 (11/09/09 09:32 AM) Registered user |
I loved it that the speech that Don made to Peggy -- I appreciate you, I need you, I'll spend my life trying to hire you -- was the speech he should have
been making to Betty.
Peggy is more of a "mate" to Don than Betty. |
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Posts: 6160 (11/09/09 09:33 AM) Registered User |
Objectively, Don is a horrible, horrible husband and not many women would actually want to be married to him. He's lied to her from the moment he met her.
He's cheated on her enough times that Bobbie Barret knew about the "Drapper Treatment" from other women. He treats her like a child. Yet here we
are, most of us on Don's side. Is it because she's so cold? Selfish? Hypocritical? I don't know, I can't say.
Is it the same reason we liked Tony Soprano even though he was a murderer, thief and a cheater? We like Dexter & he's a serial killer. I don't think it's sexist, that we simply don't side with Betty because she is a woman. For me it's that she feels she is the center of the universe and if others (her husband, children, family, friends, society) aren't taking care of her then she has a right to lash out at every one of them. She is an adult little girl and for some reason that just grates on my nerves. She is a great character and the show would lose so much without her (even though I like the work storylines better), but I would never want to be married to her or even actually know her. If I were a woman I would feel the same way about Don. |
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Posts: 528 (11/09/09 09:54 AM) |
Did anyone think they would take the "sterling cooper" letters off the lobby wall when they were leaving? I was waiting on Roger to do that at any
minute.
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Posts: 2999 (11/09/09 10:07 AM) Registered user |
Fantastic way to end the season. I was grinning from ear-to-ear with the way everything went down with SCDP. Perfection.
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Posts: 914 (11/09/09 10:10 AM) |
Yeah me too!
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Posts: 14307 (11/09/09 10:22 AM) Registered user |
the return of joan. <3 <3 <3.
bets thinks she is going to be happy with that tool? he's buying a used barbie doll. |
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Posts: 9378 (11/09/09 11:01 AM) Registered user |
I fully expect Henry Francis to have erectile dysfunction.
And I love Trudy. Pete really is at his best with her. When she is gone, he falls apart (and gets all rapey). Can I wish "Community" to fail, so she can become more of a regular?
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Posts: 34771 (11/09/09 11:14 AM) Registered user |
It ultimately comes down to this -- we like Don over Betty because he's marginally nicer to his children. I think that's the core value that
seperates them. All of the cheating and lying are secondary to their imperfect abilities to raise the kids. Cruelty to children is an unacceptable trait. With
Don, we see him in his traditional role as breadwinner. His interaction with his children is limited, and yet what we've seen, he not only tries to connect
with them, we see what they mean to him.
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Posts: 3000 (11/09/09 11:18 AM) Registered user |
Gregoire wrote:And does this during the Christmas holiday season, no less. Cold bitch. And re Henry. In the beginning I thought maybe he had a fetish for pregnant women, since he first met Betty right before she was about to pop. If Betty marries him and then finds out he is some crazed fetish freak, it will be even better.  Maybe he plans on knocking her up right away.
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Posts: 14 (11/09/09 11:22 AM) |
ImCrushingYourHead wrote:Ha-ha! That is EXACTLY want I was thinking - "Oh look, Laverne, Shirley, Lenny, Squiggy, Carmine and Mrs. DeFazio are all moving to California. The whole gang is moving!" |
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Posts: 1973 (11/09/09 11:37 AM) Registered user |
When Don was in Sally's room, watching her sleep, and then when he got in bed and snuggled behind her, well, that's when my t.ears busted
loose--that's what makes me love Don. Betty has never ever shown one real, authentic emotion to her children like that.
Oh, yeah, and at the end when Don's surveying the motley crew all scurrying around in the hotel room, well, that was the cherry on the cake of the whole season. |
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Karo |
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Posts: 15 (11/09/09 11:39 AM) |
Kidding aside, I loved this episode. It was a very satisfying conclusion to the season. The scene with Don and Betty in the bedroom ("Who is Henry
Francis?" "Nobody.") had me on the edge of my seat. The lighting was superb - Don looked so dark and threatening as he called Betty on her
selfishness. Was I the only one who was wondering if it would come to blows? I was trying to remember any hints if Don could be physically violent. I wonder
if the scene with the horse kicking Don's dad was a clue to why he wouldn't raise a hand to someone, even though she is wrecking the life they share.
The scene in Peggy's apartment was great, too. The display of conflicted emotions on her face was some fine acting. And the aftermath of the looting of the office was perfect. I always liked Ken; Paul, not so much. Hope that they're not off the show completely now. A few small things caught my eye, too. Carla sitting down with the abandoned kids was a heartbreaker. And Trudy is kind of growing on me, just the way she's so supportive (bringing sandwiches and a cake, plus helping Pete feign sickness). And Betty's utter emptiness as she told Don "You'll always be their father." It sounded like such a platitude. Great episode and season! |
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Posts: 233 (11/09/09 11:40 AM) |
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Posts: 9380 (11/09/09 11:41 AM) Registered user |
Karo wrote: He was violent toward her in Season 1, I think, when Roger hit on her in her kitchen. Remember? He definitely has a dark side. |
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Posts: 6162 (11/09/09 11:44 AM) Registered User |
I can't wait for Betty to lose her shit on Bobby or Sally because they are being disrespectful to Henry and then for Don to beat the holy hell out of him
whenhe lays a finger on one of the kids.
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Posts: 1773 (11/09/09 12:07 PM) Registered User |
I think one of the reasons we are more sympathetic to Don is that we have his back story. We saw him as an infant, pawned off on someone else, we saw him
watch his father die. We saw him as confused and out of his element in Korea, switching identities, peering out at his (former) family from the train, meeting
the real Mrs. Draper, seeing his brother. He had a hard, tough life and seems to be trying to make something right - but I don't know if he knows exactly
what "something right" really means. Much of his behavior is reprehensible, but we see why. He is a flawed, tragic figure with elements of
decency and gentleness.
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Posts: 21568 (11/09/09 12:13 PM) Registered user |
I'll have to rewatch this episode to make a note of how Don's sitting on the couch in his last scene at SCDP. If it's similar to his pose in the
opening credits, it might foreshadow success at the new firm, and if it's dissimilar, it might foreshadow failure or upheaval. Seems that over the last few
seasons, we've had different takes on that pose and when Don's in control the pose is similar, and when he's not, it's markedly different.
Probably the best hour on TV all year.
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Posts: 377 (11/09/09 12:18 PM) |
Wow y'all are so analytical!
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Posts: 103 (11/09/09 12:18 PM) Registered user |
This isn't the Sopranos and I don't want to see Don get violent--I want him to use his words, not his fists.
scepticA, I think you've nailed it. We're meant to know Don, and see him as someone who has some kind of decency at his core, but Betty is a cypher who keeps us at a distance. At this point, I cannot root for her to come back to Don because I just don't care about her. |
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Posts: 1477 (11/09/09 12:31 PM) Registered user |
I suppose it all depends on how you define a "good" husband. I know this won't be a popular opinion, but for some people, fidelity alone does not
a good husband make. Not that I buy into some sort of bullshit about how some men just can't keep it in their pants, but I do know many spouses who have
made their peace, and quite well, with partners who aren't strictly "faithful."
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