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Is Jaison hugry enough to win? Maybe not as hungry as Russel.

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Demonic Tutor		#61	[-]
Posts: 308 (11/09/09 12:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'm on a seafood diet. I see food and I eat it. Remove this ad OrsNaz wrote: River, its fine that you like Jaison. He obv isn't a terrible player if he made it to the final 4 in his tribe and managed to survive being pagonged. However, I can't for the life of me understand how you give him any sort of credit for Eriks blindside. Natalie gets 100% credit for that. She is the one who built the relationship with Laura. She is the one who decided to take Jaisons pathetic "We are done anyways, lets just throw 4 votes his way because I don't like him" idea and work with it. Jaison quit the game at that moment. You just contradicted yourself.
River50		#62	[-]
Posts: 217 (11/09/09 12:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	OrsNaz wrote: River, its fine that you like Jaison. He obv isn't a terrible player if he made it to the final 4 in his tribe and managed to survive being pagonged. However, I can't for the life of me understand how you give him any sort of credit for Eriks blindside. Natalie gets 100% credit for that. She is the one who built the relationship with Laura. She is the one who decided to take Jaisons pathetic "We are done anyways, lets just throw 4 votes his way because I don't like him" idea and work with it. Jaison quit the game at that moment. I don't know what else to say - obviously some people are not going to agree with me. I guess the only other way I can explain why I think he deserves some credit is because he called BS on Erik and he was right. I don't think he gave up at all and didn't perceive what he said in the same way as you. He thought he was going down, but he was hell-bent on at least going down with a fight. He was smart to intuit that Erik needed to go because he would play along tribal lines and pick them off one by one. He steered his tribe clear of going with the Monica vote, convinced his whole tribe that Erik was lying and would kill two birds with one stone, and got the ball rolling as far as Natalie's part. Like I said before, this doesn't in any way negate Natalie's efforts, I just think Jaison deserves some credit as well for steering those efforts in the right direction.
OrsNaz		#63	[-]
Posts: 318 (11/09/09 03:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 wrote: OrsNaz wrote: River, its fine that you like Jaison. He obv isn't a terrible player if he made it to the final 4 in his tribe and managed to survive being pagonged. However, I can't for the life of me understand how you give him any sort of credit for Eriks blindside. Natalie gets 100% credit for that. She is the one who built the relationship with Laura. She is the one who decided to take Jaisons pathetic "We are done anyways, lets just throw 4 votes his way because I don't like him" idea and work with it. Jaison quit the game at that moment. I don't know what else to say - obviously some people are not going to agree with me. I guess the only other way I can explain why I think he deserves some credit is because he called BS on Erik and he was right. I don't think he gave up at all and didn't perceive what he said in the same way as you. He thought he was going down, but he was hell-bent on at least going down with a fight. He was smart to intuit that Erik needed to go because he would play along tribal lines and pick them off one by one. He steered his tribe clear of going with the Monica vote, convinced his whole tribe that Erik was lying and would kill two birds with one stone, and got the ball rolling as far as Natalie's part. Like I said before, this doesn't in any way negate Natalie's efforts, I just think Jaison deserves some credit as well for steering those efforts in the right direction. I respect that actually.
token lunatic		#64	[-]
Posts: 27572 (11/09/09 05:13 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jaison Ivy Leaguer representin in the house. I don't care if he is playing an emotional game. His emotions give his team impetus to make shit happen; however, what TheWizard said about voting off Erik being similar to Brendan sounds reasonable. If so does this mean Jaison/Nat/Russell will be F3?
River50		#65	[-]
Posts: 221 (11/09/09 05:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	WonderBread wrote: Why all the hatred for Jaison from message board fans here? It says a lot about those of you who despise the man. Your true outlook on life is clearly revealed everytime you mention his name. Jaison is brillant, well-spoken, and passionate about life. I give him credit for speaking out against the things he thought were wrong. And, I am pleasantly surprised that he did not wuss out on those issues. Eric is clearly jealous of Jaison. Who brings up someone's resume in the game of survivor? Why would it matter? It matters to someone who feels insecure next to the intelligent black man (Jaison). Jaison doesn't have a "chip" on his shoulders. He clearly is tired of all the hatred thrown his way because he is successful. What he will have to do is learn to suck it up and deal with it. Unless he becomes a do-nothing, low-wage earning, loser (which would then make many people comfortable with him), he can expect to deal with these attitudes for the rest of his life. Jaison, in time you will learn that continued success is the best revenge in life. As Kenneth on 30 Rock would say, "haters, move to the left!" WonderBread, I think there are plenty of people who have articulated perfectly logical reasons as to why they have different opinions about Jaison that have nothing to do with hate. I'm glad to see another Jaison supporter on this thread though.
token lunatic		#66	[-]
Posts: 27574 (11/09/09 05:27 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I guess I am chopped liver again.
River50		#67	[-]
Posts: 222 (11/09/09 05:37 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	token lunatic wrote: Jaison Ivy Leaguer representin in the house. I don't care if he is playing an emotional game. His emotions give his team impetus to make shit happen; however, what TheWizard said about voting off Erik being similar to Brendan sounds reasonable. If so does this mean Jaison/Nat/Russell will be F3? I agree token. I love that he is playing with his ideals on his sleeve. I know they do it for survival reasons in the game, but I want to implode when I see contestants clam up when someone is being an absolute pig (e.g. silent Liz when Ben was explaining why women should not try to start a fire). And he's careful about where he does it - it's usually during TC when he suspects the person is going home anyway. I would love Jaison to make it as far as you are speculating, but I don't want to jinx him. The people I root for early on usually go home shortly after Hey, but you know what? Stephen was an exception I just realized.
River50		#68	[-]
Posts: 223 (11/09/09 05:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	token lunatic wrote: I guess I am chopped liver again. token lunatic <3. That always makes me feel better
Thailandsurvivor		#69	[-]
Posts: 8635 (11/09/09 05:39 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jaison may be my favorite African American male since Ted Rogers Jr.
Thailandsurvivor		#70	[-]
Posts: 8635 (11/09/09 05:39 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'm on a seafood diet. I see food and I eat it. Remove this ad Double post.
Thailandsurvivor		#71	[-]
Posts: 8635 (11/09/09 05:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Triple.
token lunatic		#72	[-]
Posts: 27579 (11/09/09 05:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Well for me, Jaison is Mark B's apology for the previous bullshit seasons to redeem the Nates, GC's, Clarences, Nicks and other dumbasses that disgraced our TVs. Jaison is breaking records and our hearts before the season's over. He can tell you your momma stinks, and you'll be blustering and all defensive but by the time he's done, you'll be DAMN maybe my mama needs some soap and water after all. He will turn into a beautiful Monarch butterfly and trample that whole island with his royalty and butterfly goodness. TROOF, BITCHES!
River50		#73	[-]
Posts: 225 (11/09/09 05:56 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	token lunatic wrote: Well for me, Jaison is Mark B's apology for the previous bullshit seasons to redeem the Nates, GC's, Clarences, Nicks and other dumbasses that disgraced our TVs. Jaison is breaking records and our hearts before the season's over. He can tell you your momma stinks, and you'll be blustering and all defensive but by the time he's done, you'll be DAMN maybe my mama needs some soap and water after all. He will turn into a beautiful Monarch butterfly and trample that whole island with his royalty and butterfly goodness. TROOF, BITCHES!
smokiedokie		#74	[-]
Posts: 28 (11/09/09 06:29 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jaison may be a whiny bitch, but at least he's interesting and complex, unlike most of the rest of the contestants this season. For that reason alone, I hope he sticks around (but I still hope Natalie wins). I also love that he stands up for himself at TC. I actually think that it's going to work in his favour with the former Galu members, considering he talked back to the dick who was trying to vote out Monica. Maybe it's strategic, probably it's not...but it still may work for him. On a pure character development level, I like the idea of someone who's almost defeated by the elements and repeated losses, but is woken up and spurred into action through indignation. If that's what's happening here I actually think they're building a good story for him. I'm rooting for the guy. As far as who was responsible for what this week, I really do believe that Foa Foa is all working together here - including Jaison. Natalie still fucking rules and she definitely deserves a lot of the credit for implementing the plan really really well but I think they're all making the decisions as a team. Which is why they'll probably all survive.
River50		#75	[-]
Posts: 227 (11/09/09 11:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	smokiedokie wrote: Jaison may be a whiny bitch, but at least he's interesting and complex, unlike most of the rest of the contestants this season. For that reason alone, I hope he sticks around (but I still hope Natalie wins). I also love that he stands up for himself at TC. I actually think that it's going to work in his favour with the former Galu members, considering he talked back to the dick who was trying to vote out Monica. Maybe it's strategic, probably it's not...but it still may work for him. On a pure character development level, I like the idea of someone who's almost defeated by the elements and repeated losses, but is woken up and spurred into action through indignation. If that's what's happening here I actually think they're building a good story for him. I'm rooting for the guy. As far as who was responsible for what this week, I really do believe that Foa Foa is all working together here - including Jaison. Natalie still fucking rules and she definitely deserves a lot of the credit for implementing the plan really really well but I think they're all making the decisions as a team. Which is why they'll probably all survive. Jaison does seem to only confront people at TC when there's not much the target of the confrontation can do about it after they are voted out Who knows if it's strategic at this point though. It may be his way to persuade and solidify the vote during TC. What complicates things is that his confrontations are usually the consequence of some indignation that he's suffering (which like you, I definitely don't mind). But he's not confrontational in camp and knows where to keep his voice down to a whisper there... so... maybe it could be strategic. I agree that they could be building an excellent story. But I also worry that the more positive focus on him is just foreshadowing a Jaison boot soon to come. Ugh, I would hate that. I just became interested. I'm glad at least someone is giving credit for team effort. I think Russel even played his part by creating scrambling diversions with his idol and feeling out where everyone on Gaulu was at. But when Russel refused to give Natalie the benefit of the doubt for her part in the game, he lost me. I hate when people are not given credit when it is due.
mrsisaak		#76	[-]
Posts: 261 (11/09/09 11:41 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	As far as who was responsible for what this week, I really do believe that Foa Foa is all working together here - including Jaison. Natalie still fucking rules and she definitely deserves a lot of the credit for implementing the plan really really well but I think they're all making the decisions as a team. Which is why they'll probably all survive. I think this is exactly what they're showing. None of the Foa Foans have the ability to do this on their own. Russell is playing too hard and putting a huge target on his back, but under his direction, he laid the framework for the blindside against Eric, although Russell didn't have a direct part of the scheme. He told Natalie to schmooze and she did exactly what she needed to do. Jaison is too laid back and probably couldn't have pulled this off on his own, but in his own low-key way, he set the plan in motion. After all the physical defeats of Foa Foa, Russell all along has said the game is all about outwitting, and he thinks he/they have Galu beat. And, indeed, it looks like they do. Go FOA FOA!
River50		#77	[-]
Posts: 228 (11/10/09 01:07 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	mrsisaak wrote: As far as who was responsible for what this week, I really do believe that Foa Foa is all working together here - including Jaison. Natalie still fucking rules and she definitely deserves a lot of the credit for implementing the plan really really well but I think they're all making the decisions as a team. Which is why they'll probably all survive. I think this is exactly what they're showing. None of the Foa Foans have the ability to do this on their own. Russell is playing too hard and putting a huge target on his back, but under his direction, he laid the framework for the blindside against Eric, although Russell didn't have a direct part of the scheme. He told Natalie to schmooze and she did exactly what she needed to do. Jaison is too laid back and probably couldn't have pulled this off on his own, but in his own low-key way, he set the plan in motion. After all the physical defeats of Foa Foa, Russell all along has said the game is all about outwitting, and he thinks he/they have Galu beat. And, indeed, it looks like they do. Go FOA FOA! Yup, I'm also rooting for the Foa Four - Russel included because he is doing his part. BUT, as far as laying the framework, Russel did that completely unknowingly. And then for Natalie to go in and do her part and get no love or credit from Russel was a sin. Jaison definitely set the plan in motion. Here's a quote (and not a confessional - during which he has liberty to express insecurity about his persuasive success within the tribe) where he explicitly lays out the plan! Jaison: "Here's how I feel right now… [not completely discernable, but I think he says] I feel like Erik is talking up a bunch of bull **** trash. We're screwed anyway… and I think what we should do is we should tell them, 'Yeah, sure, we'll vote the way you want us to and flush out the idol.' And then… we go get Erik. And they did.
Baby VOX		#78	[-]
Posts: 466 (11/10/09 04:46 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I am rooting for chaos. I want things to get crazy.
mrsisaak		#79	[-]
Posts: 262 (11/10/09 11:12 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Russel did that completely unknowingly. And then for Natalie to go in and do her part and get no love or credit from Russel was a sin. I think Russell called it in the Liz booting episode. While Liz was bitching about Natalie schmoozing with Laura, Russell said that Natalie was doing exactly what she should be doing. I think Russell IS the mastermind and built the framework of this plot and made sure everyone knew and followed the plan (which they did). Russell is an ass, but I think he is brilliant. But that is not to diminish the parts that Jaison and Natalie have played, but you're left wondering if they could have pulled it together without Russell there, leading them into action.
JLK Name		#80	[-]
Posts: 2177 (11/11/09 03:42 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'm on a seafood diet. I see food and I eat it. Remove this ad b000000000ring.

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