Honestly the closest we got to that was Twila.
Even Parvati, who was a great player, won on the back of traditionally female characteristics.
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We don't know because an assertive, strategic, dismissive woman has never even come close to winning.
Honestly the closest we got to that was Twila. Even Parvati, who was a great player, won on the back of traditionally female characteristics. |
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Posts: 229 (11/14/09 2:41 AM) I don't take hints
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It's Monica Time!
Preview:
Shown strategizing with Erik Reward Challenge Focus ![]() ![]()
Reward:
Confessional: "My family's from Puerto Rico, and um it totally reminds me of Puerto Rico and the waterfalls and the rainforest reminds me of my family and a lot of the vacations we use to take as kids" <cut> "The food is fantastic and having these waterfalls surround you all together makes for an amazing reward " ![]() ![]()
*Read the HII Clue and warned Shambo to not share anything with Foa Foa SPVs From Shambo: ![]()
*About being easily voted off *About being not a threat and being the weaker "bootee" Pre- Tribal Ramblings: ![]()
"Should we plan for just in case that one of them may find an idol? because if they..if we all vote for russell and say russell has the idol again, at that point the other person goes home and its one of us" TC Question:
"I think the foa foa see how strong the seven of us are at this point, if they are giving it a try i give them respect in doing so, but uh i don't think it's that hard of a try that they're giving" In conclusion, Monica gave insight about her personal life (which is P), In addition, gave us her strategy going into tribal council (which was ignored by Dave unfortunately). Not a whole lot from her (Compared to Laura's, Russell's, or Natalie's development), but in the end the editors gave her insight, which is good. MORP2
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BlakeB717 |
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Rewatch her answer at TC. It was pretty N.
I may go for MORM2 for Monica. I'd be more inclined to give Monica an N than P, if I had to decide. Sorry! |
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BlakeB717 wrote:M sounds good actually, not N though definitely not. |
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BlakeB717 wrote:Blake dislikes Puerto Ricans. That is what I have deduced from all of his posts about Monica in this thread. |
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cyclehausen |
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an assertive, strategic, dismissive woman has never even come close to winning. |
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I agree that Monica was M this episode, but something tells me she'll be getting static neutral instead.
I'm surprised how much tone I gave out this episode actually, 7 out of 11 people got tone from me. I gave P's to all Foa Foa's and Shambo, with the exception of Mick (who got static neutral), and then Dave got a N, and Monica & Laura a M. |
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cycle, yep on Sandra. She has always been one of my favorite winners because she didn't take crap and changed her strategy several times. Some thought
her strategy of "I'll sell my vote to whatever faction gets me farther in the game" as weak game play, but when you're not in a secure,
strong alliance that strategy is by far the soundest possible. For one thing, it maximizes your chances of not being voted out - which should be kind of high
on everyone's strategy list. She was also assertive (like in the store) and had her bitch moments, akin to RH and the clothing, when she poured out some
food. I do get the sense that she wasn't a fan favorite (in a season with PPP Rubert and NNN Fairplay it was tough to make much of an impact), but
nevertheless I liked her.
To the newbs who come with their drive by critiques of players, welcome. To the newbs who criticize people for "hostility" because we think edgic is perfect, the biggest LOL imaginable. Such statements are so silly on their face that it reflects rather poorly on your powers of reading. Check prior season threads, notably the conversations that take place after the finales. We get into a self-criticism funk that would make a Maoist proud. We review just about every aspect of edgic every season, dismissing some concepts as less t han important, raising others. MOR Differential and Complex Tribe are two that are still debated constantly. Type 2 winner is brand new, and still being discussed regularly, to actually try and figure out the Bob/Danni winner from all the noise. And the discussions about Merge Episode are terrific. Edgic IMO will never be perfected (heresy! scep thinks edgic isn't perfect!) but can be improved. Trying to improve edgic in the middle of a season is so fraught with difficulties, however - because changes should be based on finding the winner, and right now we don't know who wins! For instance, let's say that "Merge must be good" or some variation on that is decided - right now - to be part of edgic. Okay, but what if Mick wins? Was edgic wrong? There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing merge is important, showing your arguments, and wecloming critiques of your arguments (a al chapera), but chapera never says that edgic must be changed NOW. She (or is it he? - I suck at figuring out sexes here) is saying, "Guys, better look out - this could be a bad mark against Mick, (or a bad mick against Mark...)", and she (he) is right. It very well could be. Or not. How much importance does merge make in the great scheme of things? Is merge as important as we all think it is, basically because it's such a dramatic turning point in game play? Or does an analysis of past merge winner ratings make you go, "Whoa... wait a sec..." As of now, we don't know which is right, because we don't know who wins. Is it a caution flag? Sure, but to me the weak 3 eps are a bigger warning flag for Natalie, the enormous rating of RH is a warning sign, and Jaison's N tone for a while was also a warning sign. Every winner has warning signs. The trick is to identify a "fake" warning sign from a deal-breaker. One thing I won't do, and none of the regulars here appear to be doing it, is to try and modify edgic just to fit our own personal preference for a winner. And to newbs with absolutely no background in edgic who come in here bashing edgic and praising one player, that sounds exactly what you're trying to do. No offense. Also too many newbs (and like others, I've noticed what appears to be some sock-puppetry among several newbs) come here, flail Mick and edgic, and then say nothing. Sorry, but you gotta do better than that to make an impression with me. Post-season, sure. Make your case like chapera does and you'll be listened to. To the sock puppets - if you do post here or elsewhere under a different name, isn't this just a little coy on your part, to create a new moniker, come here pretending to be a newb, and do your drive-by bashing? |
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Where's the positive moments for Monica this week? Talking about your family doesn't make you positive, but making arrogant comments that the group in
the minority isn't trying to stick around when they are actually turning the game around comes off as negative. If she would get any tone, it would be a
very, very weak N. I'd probably just leave her as MOR2, neutral. One small scene didn't do enough to make her negative.
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cyclehausen wrote:In absolutely no way was Sandra strategic in the way we're talking about and she was also virtually never in control of anything in the game. Funny lady, and I'm happy she won, but no. |
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Riliss, what is "Strategic in thhe way we are talking about" that relates to Sandra? Just curious. I look back on her and understood exactly what
she was doing and how she did it. It might not have been the most satisfying or devious or clever strategy, but it was comprehensible and worked.
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getting real |
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Question occurring to me upon rewatching:
Have we been shown any speculation as to what might happened to the HII that Eric found at the Galu camp? Am I correct in assuming that, from what we've been shown, no-one at Foa Foa ought to have known that the original Galu idol wasn't available? If so, why does Russell talk about 'another immunity idol that gets put into play'? Why not assume that Galu's original HII might still be available? Might this be more fodder for the conspiracy theorists? |
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getting real wrote:That's a good point, looking at all of Russel's confessionals before he found the HII he sounds like he thinks they rehid an idol (his I guess he assumes), but look at what he says when he finds the HII, in his very next confessional. Russel (confessional): "I think I just found the second hidden immunity idol without a clue". I bolded the underlined the important parts, I don't see why he would call it 'the second' HII and not 'his second' unless he really didn't know about Erik's. I think it's likely he gave them some confessionals before finding the HII both saying he thinks Gelu's old HII might be here, and that they might have hidden another HII. The editors probably just chose to show the parts where he sounds like he think they hid another HII to make him look smarter, except for that confessional after he found the HII, it's easy to miss, I only noticed it after you suggested this GR. |
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Thanks, MDN, it could be as you suggest. Two things, however:
1. The phrase 'The second HII' could refer to a chronological second idol as well as a geographical second one; it could refer to the second idol in play as well as a second one at the opposing camp. 2. When he first discusses the possibility of a second idol, he looks for it at the tree mail site. If he had the old Galu idol in mind, wouldn't he be looking for it in/near trees, given that the clues were likely to be replicated? |
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Well he was shown looking in some trees around places like the water well, it sounded like he assumed the tree had to be near a 'landmark' based on his
confessionals while he searched, and I think the tree he found it at on Foa Foa was next to their shelter, so that could be why he looked there in the first
place.
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I must say guys...it's been a bit difficult reading Edgic this year with some of the personalities roaming around, but if nothing came out of this
season's discussion, I can say that a random ass montage video of Sandra being awesome was included. ^_^'
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Posts: 231 (11/15/09 3:00 AM) I don't take hints
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And The Winner Is......................
Natalie Portman |
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Well since this thread has been so quiet the last 24 hours, and I'm bored... Anyone look at some of the insider videos? (info about the video inside the
spoiler tag)
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fat little fingers |
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Great stuff, RW. I'd love to see Stephane's vis chart from Guatemala done the same way. |
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