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roxbury123		#1421	[-]
Posts: 617 (11/12/09 11:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Darrah would have voted Sandra over both Jon and Lill. Darrah says now she would have voted Jon because post-show she hates Lill (as does everyone on that season). But i have to go with facts, she said on the reunion she would have voted Lill. Darrah when voted out, voted for Lillian (so she really cant be mad at Lill) so in her head at the time she had to think Jon screwed her, not Lill. Had Darrah at the final 4 voted off Sandra then i can see a debate being made. Darrah voted for Lillian how could Darrah ever think Lillian screwed her. I really think she would have been more angry at Jon than Lill.
Ahora		#1422	[-]
Posts: 666 (11/12/09 11:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think it has to do with the fight they had on day 37, but its been a while since I saw the finale so I'm blurry on what happened between Lill/Darrah
chapera rocks		#1423	[-]
Posts: 11951 (11/13/09 2:55 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	toomanynachos16 wrote: But so did Jean Robert's and Christy's.....i dunno tho, and really no one does. Agree to disagree? Can we still cuddle? haha cuddles
toomanynachos16		#1424	[-]
Posts: 526 (11/13/09 10:04 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	YESSSS!!!!
curmudgeon		#1425	[-]
Posts: 597 (11/14/09 4:59 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	07. Vecepia - Severely underrated. Won both Immunities when she needed them, Always changing things up between the Vee/Sean + Neleh/Paschal alliance. She mastered the UTR strategy, and made a wise decision in getting Neleh to take her to the end. Most overrated winner ever. Did you forget at the final four tribal council she tried to get rid of the ONLY person she had a prayer of beating in the jury vote (Neleh)? Incredibly stupid play, but the purple rock saved her.
SurvivorNinja		#1426	[-]
Posts: 3062 (11/14/09 5:16 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	curmudgeon wrote: 07. Vecepia - Severely underrated. Won both Immunities when she needed them, Always changing things up between the Vee/Sean + Neleh/Paschal alliance. She mastered the UTR strategy, and made a wise decision in getting Neleh to take her to the end. Most overrated winner ever. Did you forget at the final four tribal council she tried to get rid of the ONLY person she had a prayer of beating in the jury vote (Neleh)? Incredibly stupid play, but the purple rock saved her. Yes but Vee needed Kathy in order to force a tie and if Kathy will only vote Neleh then Vee has to do the same or risk a F3 against a well known pair in Neleh and Paschal. Yes she got lucky with the purple rock but still she worked with the cards she had. Maruqesas' F4 dynamics are one of my faves because everyone was flipping on everyone.
curmudgeon		#1427	[-]
Posts: 599 (11/14/09 5:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yes but Vee needed Kathy in order to force a tie and if Kathy will only vote Neleh then Vee has to do the same or risk a F3 against a well known pair in Neleh and Paschal. Vecepia WANTED Neleh gone (which shows a clear lack of understanding of how to play the game to win). I agree with you about the final four dynamics that season - one of the most interesting and contentious (always leads to huge arguments among fans) - should Paschal have flipped at tribal council?, the concentration of questions at the immunity challenge (if Neleh had remembered the name of Sean's girlfriend, she would have won the immunity challenge instead). Nobody should expect to change any minds at this point. :)
chapera rocks		#1428	[-]
Posts: 11965 (11/14/09 7:55 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SurvivorNinja wrote: curmudgeon wrote: 07. Vecepia - Severely underrated. Won both Immunities when she needed them, Always changing things up between the Vee/Sean + Neleh/Paschal alliance. She mastered the UTR strategy, and made a wise decision in getting Neleh to take her to the end. Most overrated winner ever. Did you forget at the final four tribal council she tried to get rid of the ONLY person she had a prayer of beating in the jury vote (Neleh)? Incredibly stupid play, but the purple rock saved her. Yes but Vee needed Kathy in order to force a tie and if Kathy will only vote Neleh then Vee has to do the same or risk a F3 against a well known pair in Neleh and Paschal. Yes she got lucky with the purple rock but still she worked with the cards she had. Maruqesas' F4 dynamics are one of my faves because everyone was flipping on everyone. Kathy was willing to vote for either. Actually, she targeted Paschal first, saying he looked like he was ready to go, to which Paschal shut her down. Vee then piped up and said "well I was planning on voting Neleh anyway."
SurvivorNinja		#1429	[-]
Posts: 3069 (11/14/09 11:48 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The last several posts have convinced me to rewatch Marquesas tomorrow. <3
Kitty Pryde1		#1430	[-]
Posts: 10899 (11/15/09 12:46 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Or maybe Vee knew she was outside an alliance of three, and she wanted to guarantee herself the best odds of making the final 2. You can't win the game if you're not in the final two. Against Neleh and Kathy, she has much less of a chance of survival than against Kathy/Paschal.
chapera rocks		#1431	[-]
Posts: 11967 (11/15/09 3:28 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	And you can't win the game without someone who you can beat at the end. But how would going against Paschal and Kathy be tougher than Kathy and Neleh? Especially if Kathy was going to take her and Paschal had proven to be a physical threat, while Neleh had won nothing. What you said is far fetched and doesn't even make much sense. What we do know is the Vee was highly annoyed by Neleh. Whether or not thats why she voted for her is unknown, but we know Vee only had a shot against Neleh and she tried to vote Neleh out. Bad move. Even IF Paschal/Kathy was easier to get to the final 2 with, she may get there more often, but she'd lose 100% of the time. And even IF Neleh/Kathy was a harder bet, she may get to the final 2, say, 20% of the time, she'll win 20% of the time versus 0%. Not only that, but we've already seen that against Kathy/Neleh, she was getting to the finals 100% ... both of them were taking her. Last Edited By: chapera rocks 11/15/09 3:31 PM. Edited 2 times.
Lexxan		#1432	[-]
Posts: 194 (11/15/09 4:00 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	curmudgeon wrote: 07. Vecepia - Severely underrated. Won both Immunities when she needed them, Always changing things up between the Vee/Sean + Neleh/Paschal alliance. She mastered the UTR strategy, and made a wise decision in getting Neleh to take her to the end. Most overrated winner ever. Did you forget at the final four tribal council she tried to get rid of the ONLY person she had a prayer of beating in the jury vote (Neleh)? Incredibly stupid play, but the purple rock saved her. In what retarded way is Vee overrated? She's like the most invisible person ever to win the game!
veeisforvictory		#1433	[-]
Posts: 1684 (11/16/09 4:50 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	wow back to this debate...Neleh was stronger than Paschal at this point and could easily win and did win final 3 immunity...she has been with Paschal and Kathy the whole time and was never with Vee so how could she even predict that Neleh was gonna take Vee to final 2 if anything making Kathy vote for Neleh made her change her mind about the game and cause Neleh to vote out Kathy...sure it is easy to deduce that Neleh is the only way to win for Vee when you have all the confessionals and background info but during the game it is wise to ensure your final 2 placement especially with such limited options for Vee. so I think that final 4 argument invalidating her whole gameplay is a moot point because other winners have made worse decisions but still seen as a great winner because of the way they played their ENTIRE game... For me Vee is great because she is the first one to slip in and out of alliances without cutting her ties and knowing that she can leave her old alliances to better her placement and then back again if she needed it...see Hunter, Rob, Sean, Rotu 4 and Kathy...And although she had a great partnership with Sean, she really did things mostly by herself...if anything she "used" Sean to get her into a better placement Last Edited By: veeisforvictory 11/16/09 4:57 PM. Edited 1 times.
chapera rocks		#1434	[-]
Posts: 11970 (11/16/09 6:52 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	- She could only beat Neleh. - She wanted to be in the final 3 with Paschal and Kathy. - If she got what she wanted, there would be no way for her to win. It's just that simple.
Kitty Pryde1		#1435	[-]
Posts: 10901 (11/16/09 8:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	CR, that's hindsight though. Remember that everyone considered Neleh to be a HUGE jury threat at that point. So really, Vee was in the final 4 with three people who were closer to each other than to her, and who could easily have had a better chance of winning than she did. Targetting the person she believed to be the biggest immunity threat of the tightest twosome in the game was her best bet for making the final tribal council and at least having a chance at winning the game.
chapera rocks		#1436	[-]
Posts: 11973 (11/16/09 8:27 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: CR, that's hindsight though. Remember that everyone considered Neleh to be a HUGE jury threat at that point. So really, Vee was in the final 4 with three people who were closer to each other than to her, and who could easily have had a better chance of winning than she did. Targetting the person she believed to be the biggest immunity threat of the tightest twosome in the game was her best bet for making the final tribal council and at least having a chance at winning the game. This is an argument that I can agree to disagree with. You make a good point. But that shows lack of perception on Vee's part.
Kitty Pryde1		#1437	[-]
Posts: 10902 (11/17/09 1:09 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	It's not just Vee though. Everyone thought it.
veeisforvictory		#1438	[-]
Posts: 1685 (11/17/09 4:37 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	chapera rocks wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: CR, that's hindsight though. Remember that everyone considered Neleh to be a HUGE jury threat at that point. So really, Vee was in the final 4 with three people who were closer to each other than to her, and who could easily have had a better chance of winning than she did. Targetting the person she believed to be the biggest immunity threat of the tightest twosome in the game was her best bet for making the final tribal council and at least having a chance at winning the game. This is an argument that I can agree to disagree with. You make a good point. But that shows lack of perception on Vee's part. what about giving Vee credit for letting Neleh win final immunity and to make a final deal with her ? I think that was a brilliant move that allowed Neleh an easy reason to vote out Kathy (because she gave her her "word") and save face...it also showed a cutthroat player who did realize that Neleh was more beatable in the end
GrenadeJumper85		#1439	[-]
Posts: 14390 (11/17/09 8:26 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	chapera rocks wrote: Kitty Pryde1 wrote: CR, that's hindsight though. Remember that everyone considered Neleh to be a HUGE jury threat at that point. So really, Vee was in the final 4 with three people who were closer to each other than to her, and who could easily have had a better chance of winning than she did. Targetting the person she believed to be the biggest immunity threat of the tightest twosome in the game was her best bet for making the final tribal council and at least having a chance at winning the game. This is an argument that I can agree to disagree with. You make a good point. But that shows lack of perception on Vee's part. Uh sorry, but I don't even think Vee would have been able to pick up on the fact that she would or could beat Neleh in the final two even though I think she was a far better player then the other three people in the F4.
chapera rocks		#1440	[-]
Posts: 11980 (11/17/09 10:57 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: It's not just Vee though. Everyone thought it. Everyone knew Kathy was a threat at the end. And Paschal was highly respected. That left Neleh. Sean and Vee knew people were annoyed by her girl next door act, no matter how hard they thought she was playing.

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