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Posts: 11970 (11/16/09 06:52 PM) Registered User |
- She could only beat Neleh.
- She wanted to be in the final 3 with Paschal and Kathy. - If she got what she wanted, there would be no way for her to win. It's just that simple. |
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Posts: 10901 (11/16/09 08:09 PM) |
CR, that's hindsight though. Remember that everyone considered Neleh to be a HUGE jury threat at that point. So really, Vee was in the final 4 with three
people who were closer to each other than to her, and who could easily have had a better chance of winning than she did. Targetting the person she believed to
be the biggest immunity threat of the tightest twosome in the game was her best bet for making the final tribal council and at least having a chance at winning
the game.
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Posts: 11973 (11/16/09 08:27 PM) Registered User |
Kitty Pryde1 wrote:This is an argument that I can agree to disagree with. You make a good point. But that shows lack of perception on Vee's part. |
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Posts: 10902 (11/17/09 01:09 AM) |
It's not just Vee though. Everyone thought it.
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Posts: 1685 (11/17/09 04:37 AM) Registered User |
chapera rocks wrote: what about giving Vee credit for letting Neleh win final immunity and to make a final deal with her ? I think that was a brilliant move that allowed Neleh an easy reason to vote out Kathy (because she gave her her "word") and save face...it also showed a cutthroat player who did realize that Neleh was more beatable in the end |
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Posts: 14390 (11/17/09 08:26 AM) |
chapera rocks wrote:Uh sorry, but I don't even think Vee would have been able to pick up on the fact that she would or could beat Neleh in the final two even though I think she was a far better player then the other three people in the F4. |
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chapera rocks |
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Posts: 11980 (11/17/09 10:57 AM) Registered User |
Kitty Pryde1 wrote: Everyone knew Kathy was a threat at the end. And Paschal was highly respected. That left Neleh. Sean and Vee knew people were annoyed by her girl next door act, no matter how hard they thought she was playing. |
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panurge46 |
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Posts: 1539 (11/18/09 08:54 PM) Registered user |
The problem with Vee, as far as I'm concerned, is that I never felt she made moves as part of an overall strategy. A follower that sees the leader of the
tribe lose power and decides to switch to the new player in charge is a smart player. On the other hand, even an idiot can simply vote with a majority, turning
any way the wind blows. Those are called tools.
Vee, in my opinion, was closer to the latter. A jury wouldn't reward a player who doesn't make their own moves unless the other choice isn't any better. Neleh was definitely an idiot at this game, especially when it came to facing the jury. CR, I'm with you. Who in their right mind would prefer debating against a Judge instead of a 20 something naive girl? |
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Posts: 547 (11/18/09 10:22 PM) Registered User |
But, with Vee, she built Hunter up to be ZOMG Alpha leader that the tribe got sick of him. Hunter's removal was a big strategic move that Vee should get
more credit for.
Also, you have to give Vee some credit in turning the vote...It wasn't just Sean's words or Kathy's strategic mind or Pappy/Neleh's annoyance with the Rotu 4...If Vee was mindlessly going with the majority, she would've stuck with the Rotu 4... And it's been said before, and Kathy explained somewhere, that Neleh seemed like a huge jury threat...Vee thought that Kathy would take her to the end, and that she had a better chance at beating her than Neleh. And if not, then she'd at least have a chance to win immunity against Pappy and Kathy. I liked her final 4 decision based on the disillusionment they were all under (regarding Neleh's chances to win). |
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Posts: 1688 (11/19/09 12:17 PM) Registered User |
panurge46 wrote:that's obviously oversimplifying things because Vee was not wanting F2 with Paschal...Pappy was a walking corpse at this point |
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chapera rocks |
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Posts: 12013 (11/19/09 04:00 PM) Registered User |
So she wanted Kathy, the one who would win against anyone (and everyone knew this)? Smart.
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Posts: 375 (11/19/09 04:23 PM) |
I honestly don't think V thought she could win against anyone in the top 5 but Sean, and that's who she wanted to go with. After he was out, she was
the odd person out, and she just had to focus on getting to the end. She didn't have the luxury of choosing who she could beat.
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Posts: 548 (11/19/09 04:52 PM) Registered User |
ilovekelly752 wrote:This. Kathy wanted to take her...hence her best best of getting to the final 2 |
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Posts: 1540 (11/19/09 05:25 PM) Registered user |
ilovekelly752 wrote: So, what you're saying is that Vee herself agreed with us that she didn't play well. Thank you for making our point for us!! BTW: Would Vee have beaten Sean? |
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Posts: 377 (11/19/09 06:06 PM) |
panurge46 wrote: She obviously did play well if she went from the main target in the top four, to the winner. |
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Posts: 1541 (11/19/09 06:50 PM) Registered user |
I see you're trying to save face!
From F4 we saw a production mistake with the purple rock and a wardrobe malfunction. |
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Posts: 9621 (11/19/09 07:42 PM) Registered user |
panurge46 wrote: Really the whole PROD is preferable to endless rounds of fire making. There's kind of an irony to being randomly sent home due to your stubborness. You know, "Let no good deed go unpunished"? :P |
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Posts: 378 (11/19/09 09:37 PM) |
panurge46 wrote: The move she made in the final four guaranteed her spot in the final two. Kathy turned against Neleh, and then Neleh turned against Kathy, and Vecepia solidified it by making that deal in the final three. |
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Posts: 604 (11/19/09 10:09 PM) Registered user |
ilovekelly752 wrote:What "move?" Letting the other three draw rocks. Yes, that really "guaranteed" her spot in the final two (not if Kathy had picked the purple rock, and if Neleh had picked it, she would have lost the game despite making it to the final two). |
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Posts: 383 (11/19/09 11:07 PM) |
curmudgeon wrote: She could've just voted out Kathy, so letting the other three draw rocks was better, because there was a 2/3 chance that she would get a final three who would both be likely to take her, especially after the other one turned on them. Paschal leaving was what she needed to happen to win, and the only way that would've happened is by letting them draw tocks. It didn't matter whether they voted out Neleh or Paschal to make it a tie, Paschal's odds of leaving were 1/3 either way, and those were the best odds she could get. |
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