Pledge of Allegiance

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Powers		#41	[-]
Posts: 6543 (11/17/09 11:23 AM) Lazy slob Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I am not afraid that he, nor you, are making more sense than an adult. If he is a child and is incapable of making a decision as you state, he needs to be told what to do-and that is to stand and recite the pledge of allegiance like everyone else in the class. Thank you for agreeing with me.
squashthebeef		#42	[-]
Posts: 23414 (11/17/09 11:23 AM) super badass Reply Quote More Recent Posts	ACTIVE HATE CULTURE!!!
Vegazguy		#43	[-]
Posts: 21652 (11/17/09 11:27 AM) 10 per day, bitches! Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Powers wrote: I am not afraid that he, nor you, are making more sense than an adult. If he is a child and is incapable of making a decision as you state, he needs to be told what to do-and that is to stand and recite the pledge of allegiance like everyone else in the class. Thank you for agreeing with me. what is this? china?
Shagnanigans		#44	[-]
Posts: 6144 (11/17/09 11:28 AM) I'm not drunk Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Powers wrote: Shagnanigans wrote: It's only disruptive if the teacher makes a big deal out of it. You're taking it out context. I was referring to the boy's sitting down quietly during the pledge.
dearmelyn		#45	[-]
Posts: 394 (11/17/09 11:32 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Kids should just shut up (unless reciting the pledge of allegiance) and do as they are told.
Citizen Postal		#46	[-]
Posts: 1344 (11/17/09 11:32 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Compared to other parts of the world, the US is EXTREMELY accepting of gays and they'll find more liberty and justice here than the lions share of other nations. To sit down during the Pledge to the US flag in protest of lack of gay rights is stupid. Actually concerned about gay rights? Find one of these bastards sporting a Mexican flag on his car while driving around in the US and taking advantage of the quality of life provided by the culture and country represented by the US flag, and egg the car. Mexico doesn't allow gay adoption.
Antithesys		#47	[-]
Posts: 25653 (11/17/09 11:33 AM) Gadabout Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I stopped saying it somewhere in middle school (we didn't even have it in high school) but I still stood up. I determined a truly free nation wouldn't require you to pledge your allegiance toward it...at the time it was just teen rebellion but since I still feel that way I must have been on to something.
Powers		#48	[-]
Posts: 6545 (11/17/09 11:34 AM) Lazy slob Reply Quote More Recent Posts	So now you are saying what non-violent, non-verbal expression of opinion is right and what non-violent, non-verbal expression of opinion is wrong?
zippityboomboom		#49	[-]
Posts: 9335 (11/17/09 11:36 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	We used to have to say the Texas pledge after the US pledge.
Elwayfan		#50	[-]
Posts: 1516 (11/17/09 11:38 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	We had to sing "The Eyes of Texas". Now THAT was retarded.
GiGiReeno		#51	[-]
Posts: 53 (11/17/09 11:42 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	When I was a senior in hs (a looong time ago) there was an African American who sat next to me in homeroom. Every day, during the Pledge of Allegiance, he would stand and loudly say the Pledge, as written, until this part... ...with liberty and justice FOR SOME. Made his point. Quite well, I thought.
squashthebeef		#52	[-]
Posts: 23419 (11/17/09 11:48 AM) super badass Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Schools really need to provide equal time to recite The Pledge of Condemnation.
Vegazguy		#53	[-]
Posts: 21657 (11/17/09 11:49 AM) 10 per day, bitches! Reply Quote More Recent Posts	ceepee= dead to me. violence is never the answer.
Citizen Postal		#54	[-]
Posts: 1345 (11/17/09 11:53 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	ceepee= dead to me. violence is never the answer. Oh come the fuck on. I said egg the car, not slash the tires or shoot the beaner. Besides, sometimes violence most certainly IS the answer.
Vegazguy		#55	[-]
Posts: 21659 (11/17/09 11:55 AM) 10 per day, bitches! Reply Quote More Recent Posts	daeder to me. does this apply to the people with the phillipine flags? did i spell that right? or the canadian flags? or the nigerian flags? just asking so i can egg them all.
Shagnanigans		#56	[-]
Posts: 6145 (11/17/09 11:55 AM) I'm not drunk Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sitting down is NOT doing something. Actively using gestures to represent a violent, hateful ideal isn't appropriate in a school, and it IS doing something. It's common sense, to see the difference. The difference in the eyes of the law, in the past, has been whether or not the student's expression of free speech is significantly disruptive. A kid doing nothing, not disruptive. A kid throwing a Sig Heil, yeah, I think that would probably create a disruption. There have been several Supreme Court cases dealing with schools. This issue won't even get near the SC, because schools all over the country don't force the kids to say the pledge. Some don't even have the Pledge recited in their school anymore.
zippityboomboom		#57	[-]
Posts: 9338 (11/17/09 11:57 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I remember in elementary school, it was an honor to get to go to the front office and say the pledge over the loudspeaker. I forgot what the qualification had to be, or if it was just random.
squashthebeef		#58	[-]
Posts: 23421 (11/17/09 11:59 AM) super badass Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Pointedly sitting down definitly is doing something. Obviously, nobody should be forced to recite the pledge, but I would expect them to be polite and respectful to those who choose to do so.
Powers		#59	[-]
Posts: 6546 (11/17/09 12:00 PM) Lazy slob Reply Quote More Recent Posts	What if the kid turned his back to the flag during the Pledge and deliberately faced the other way, Shag? Would that be ok or is your example of non-violent protest the only acceptable one?
Shagnanigans		#60	[-]
Posts: 6146 (11/17/09 12:01 PM) I'm not drunk Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Well, I mean in the immediate physical sense. The kid is literally sitting there. It doesn't sound the boy was being disrespectful to the ones who were pledging, but if he were, that would be inappropriate of him.

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