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Sshaaz |
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I seriously can't imagine any other F5 at the moment than Shamboa Boa. There just isn't a crack to be found and now they have the numbers. I expect a
Pagonging until then. At F5, I really can't imagine Mick losing many ICs to make it to F3. I also can't imagine that any of the other 4 *don't*
want to sit next to Russell, so there's 2. At some point, Mick will realize that the only real IC threat is Jaison. So between J/S/N, the girls seeming
threatless, Jaison might be 5th or 4th out, if they cut loose Shambo, but really, isn't she someone you want there too? Cutting Shambo loose would appease
a few jury members, so she's 4th or 5th. That leaves Natalie. After all that Russell has done to this point, he's "survived" three votes, is
that a case for winning? Would a decent IC run make a case for Mick? Would being UTR and sweet as hell make a case for Natalie? If Jaison makes it instead,
does he even have a case? Could Shambo even receive a vote?
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Pulau Tiga |
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I don't think Russell will let Mick get too close to the end. And unless he surprises me and decides to make Jaison his goat over Natalie, I don't
think he wants Jaison to get too close either. I could see a member of Galu getting dragged a bit further than you're predicting.
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Mikester |
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Russell H doesn't have any right to be picking "goats" at this point since I've yet to see any hint that the jury favors him to the rest of
Foa Foa, considering they've all called him a stupid player on several occasions.
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Sshaaz |
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Unfortunately, the pot doesn't ever admit to calling the kettle black...
PT, Russell may not have much of a choice in how far Mick goes, if you know what I'm saying... |
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Pulau Tiga |
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Mikester wrote:He's also the one Foa Foa member they've pinpointed as being the major strategic force behind the group. He's also the member who's found three idols and repeatedly destroyed their tribe and helped his own succeed. Contrarily, we've heard Mick outed as being too laid-back and Jaison outed as not living up to expectations. Not to mention Jaison's attacked Galu members on multiple occasions and Mick seems to talk condescendingly to them every chance he gets. The only person with more favor from Galu right now is probably Natalie, and even then, I imagine the men would respect Russell's game more, being as they don't seem to be the ones buddying up with Nat all this time. ETA: What, are you suggesting Mick will become an IC whore at the end of the season? It's possible. I certainly hope it doesn't ruin Russell's game, because there's nothing I hate more than seeing some lucky last-minute challenge wins destroying everyone's game plans and helping someone who wasn't playing that hard cruise to the top. But Mick is an athletic young male, so there's potential. So far his performances haven't been super impressive. We'll see. |
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SPunKeeMonKee |
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Who did Jaison "attack" other than Erik? And since when has Mick been condescending to anybody? He was the one complaining in the online videos about Galu being arrogant, he has never been in any position to act that way himself. Anyway, Russell's only chance to win is if people can put their egos aside and vote for the person who played the best game. I don't see any chance of that happening. Maybe from the guys, they tend to be less dramatic compared to the women. |
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Pulau Tiga |
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SPunKeeMonKee wrote:Did you watch the scene of Jaison and Mick talking to Monica in the shelter while the other half of the tribe was away on reward? They were threatening and strongarming her in unimaginable ways, and if that's the way they're approaching the game now that they have numbers, it's not going to work well for them. I think Jaison does that with everyone he deems below him, but Mick seems to be picking up on it too. At best, he comes off as completely uninterested in the game, which doesn't bode too well for his chances either. SM wrote: Well, yeah, Laura isn't too likely to give her vote to Russell, especially not if she has the opportunity to give it to Natalie instead. But the Eric/John/Dave trifecta? They'll reward the guy who played most like them, for sure. They don't have the girly BFF connection with Natalie, and Russell is consistently showing his dominance. I can easily see them handing him their jury votes. |
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American Model |
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It was a GREAT move for John
Laura leaving = no purple rock = no Russell pulling the purple rock = Russell staying on my television set Thanks! (PS - you are all losers) |
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Mikester |
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No, he's the only one they've pinpointed as having found the idols. I've never heard any of them compliment Russell on being a good player. Add to
it the fact that next episode he lets the chickens go or something like that... Russell played arrogantly and has tried to piss people off, and he's only stumbled into surviving so far by finding the idols.
I'm not saying that Mick is going to do anything, I'm just saying in order to pick out "goats" you have to be a clear-cut winner with 100% control over the game. Russell doesn't match either description. |
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Pulau Tiga |
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Mikester wrote:Well, he may have stumbled into idols but there's no denying that his repeated HII acquisition is going to be a compelling point at FTC, especially when directed at alpha males who love that sort of thing. Hell, in the past, simply being a good swimmer that kicks ass in aquatic challenges was enough to garner numerous jury votes. Point is, nobody's insulted Russell or given him the negative portrayal we've been seeing due to confessionals, so there's no reason to say Russell is a goat himself. We'll see how the chicken sabotage goes, it might end up being something nobody blames on him. But we have seen him labeled as Foa Foa's strategic genius, and that means it shouldn't be too hard for Russ to make himself the "I played the hardest game" case when the F3 rolls around. Mikester wrote: Oh, that's probably true. But Russell's a cocky son of a bitch who thinks he's a clear-cut winner, so he's planning accordingly. If he does end up managing to become the top dog by the time the end game rolls around, having planned his goats will pay off. |
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Sshaaz |
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Winning IC's when you need them is probably more a survival technique than making BFF's. Considering he doesn't really need to win them in the next
few episodes, he might do the smart thing and not win the next one to keep the IC whore target perception off of him. With a tie imminent, he did what he had
to do, but numbers dictate that he can let it ride a few times, now. By F5, he'll have to pour it on to have any sort of case at FTC, considering the
competition...
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Shred |
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Like Sarah Palin would say..John is retarded.
That is all. |
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Mikester |
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Well, he may have stumbled into idols but there's no denying that his repeated HII acquisition is going to be a compelling point at FTC, especially when directed at alpha males who love that sort of thing. Hell, in the past, simply being a good swimmer that kicks ass in aquatic challenges was enough to garner numerous jury votes. Remember the way he tried to use the idols at the merge? I was practically embarrassed for him. Everyone knew he was stupid. They said so in their confessionals, which should pretty much show us that Russell thinks he's a lot greater than anyone else thinks he is. The only person we've seen "label" him as a strategic genius is him. Assuming the f3 is three of the four Foa Foa, Jaison is clearly not going to get any votes if he makes it to the end, just considering that he's been called out as being a horrible competitor and even Natalie is being targeted ahead of him. Mick is too under-the-radar and too undeveloped. The only competition I could see Russell having at the end is Natalie, but even she is not that impressively edited, so she's probably just being used to make Russell's win not look so obvious. So he probably does win, I just don't see him as being the mastermind he's been made out to be so far.
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Posts: 4711 (11/19/09 10:58 PM) Registered user |
What was stpid was MONICA trying to save Laura.... I mean you don't just say vote out this guy instead without consulting him.... It could go either way
for John but John knows he has Shambo's vote as well.... If his alliance is so easy to get rid of him before Laura then i dunno... but Monica is the reason
Laura was voted out... Had she not been so stupid, it would have been a 5-5 tie.... and Laura would have a chance... John would stick with Galu.
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Pulau Tiga |
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Sshaaz wrote:Sure, but he wasn't too incredibly impressive in pre-merge challenges, and this last IC victory was the result of, what, him breaking a plate with a rock and then lucking out in the shooting portion of the challenge? Even Brett broke two plates. Mikester wrote: Yeah, I'm probably subconsciously working backwards and justifying Russell's win because I think it's going to happen. But knowing that Russell wins (well, suspecting he does), I think it's clear the Galu guys will end up supporting him as the hardest competitor on Foa Foa. Is he really a great Survivor player? I think he's got some amazing skills and some obvious weaknesses. But we'll see how he works from here on out. |
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alma246 |
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It was a terrible move. John eliminated his best path to victory and put himself in a weak, powerless position. But the worst part is that this move will make
him look like a faithless weasel to everyone. Now he has NO allies. Galu won't trust him, and Foa Foa has no loyalty to him. I bet he's the
"cancer" that everyone wants to get rid of next week.
I get his rationale, but you have to be smart about your flip-flopping and double-dealing, or you just end up alienating your tribemates. John sucks. |
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Mister Plum |
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I don't think it's horrible for John to vote for Laura. I would do it as well if it happened to me.
Having said that, I feel like his wrong move is the root of why Galu is failing. It is when he tried to vote Monica out. John is to blame why Galu is failing. Fuck you John. |
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SirCrocodilep |
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He will now be Russel's best hope for a goat.
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menelaus |
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SirCrocodilep wrote: No, that's been Shambo the whole game, everyone hates her. Now John is the 2nd best hope for a goat that at least has some ability to steal votes away from Russell because most of them don't like Russ either. Russ will end up losing this game if he votes his two best goats off. |
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GnarlsInCharge |
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The John haters are wrong. This was a million dollar move by John tonight. The 2nd half of this game will be the story of a plucky underdog named John who
rereflips the game whenever he is in trouble.
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