SFC wrote:Natalie Bolton retains the most all-time consecutive 1's title. (10) Brett is 2nd with 9, Becky is 3rd with 8.
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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SFC wrote:Natalie Bolton retains the most all-time consecutive 1's title. (10) Brett is 2nd with 9, Becky is 3rd with 8. |
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RobVanStratus |
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To clarify Blake, I made my pick but within the confines of spoiler tags because I have seen spoilers and don't want anyone who thinks they would be
spoiled by my choice to cause a big fight. I'm simply pointing out the things wrong with both Natalie and Mick's edits, that if one gets a free pass on
violating guidelines, why not allow the other to get a pass as well. Mick seems like Amanda+Marcus, bland and just enough visibility for Edgic junkies to
justify picking them. Only time will tell if Mick ends up like Marcus+Amanda or if he wins.
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BlakeB717 |
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RobVanStratus wrote: Yes, time will definitely tell! I can't wait for the end.. I feel confident. Regarding giving Natalie a pass, it depends on the person. For me, the first episode is 500x more imporant than any other episode' the pre-merge is more imporant than the post-merge; and the winner needs some type of introduction early. Thus, based on my standards, I cannot give Natalie a pass. |
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Shred |
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The only reason I put Natalie above Mick is this
Does the casual audience know Mick? They know Russell and know Natalie. But what about Mick? We know he is a doctor and that is it. The audience knows Natalie and Russell. One quick note, the casual people have bad memories. There not gonna remember the first episode as much as the merge episode. So being not part of the newest episodes is worse then not having a good first few episodes. Least to me. |
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augustus713 |
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Brett - UTR2 - Wow? Was there a twist where they introduced a new player this episode?
Dave - OTTN3 - Depicted as an idiot, with no chance to redeem himself with a confessional. Russell makes him look like a fool during the HII chase and John basically calls him an idiotic strategizer. Jaison - UTR2 - Borderline MOR due to his interaction with Monica, but really not a whole lot of substance in this crucial episode. John - CP4 - We were in his head every step of the way, we had insight into why he did what he did no matter if he went with Foa or Galu. Laura - MORN4 - Borderline N, I could agree with neutral. I went with N due to her depiction as the evil queen of Galu, who needed to be dethroned in order for the underdog P toned Foa to gain the advantage. Mick - UTR2 - Really just a terrible episode for Mick. There's no excuse for a UTR2 in such a crucial game-changing episode where he won immunity. Monica - CP3 - She had a game plan and she was thinking the right thoughts, it just didn't work. Natalie - UTRP2 - Didn't do much, being boot target boosts her to vis 2, rather than 1. P for reward comments and as protagonist against Laura. Russell H. - CP5 - Explains everything he does the entire episode. Completely unfooled by Monica's ploy. Was shown as the one who convinced John to flip, rather than Shambo. Constantly thinking about the game. Shambo - OTTN4 - The uncontrolled laughter at the IC cemented her N for me. Obvious OTT, very one note - Laura, Laura, Laura, Laura... Winner: Russell
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danyul0911 |
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Brett - UTR2 (So sad, I was hoping he could be a 1 again)
Dave - MOR3 (I didn't see any intended tone) Jaison - MOR2 John - CP4 Laura - MOR4 Mick - MOR2 Monica - CP3 Natalie - UTRP2 (She had enough SPV to bump her to a 2 IMO) Russell - CP5 Shambo - OTTN4 |
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Armitage Shanks |
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So my first post here was comparing this season to Gabon. But would there be any basis for me calling this season Cook Islands v2.0, instead? Vague
connections, assemble:
1. 20 players, so a final 3. 2. Aitu 4 = Foa Foa 4. 3. An 8 vs 4 situation. 4. Jonathan = Shambo, although Jonathan was probably my favourite Survivor ever and Shambo not so much. This is more based on the flipping from Raro to Aitu/Galu to Foa Foa. 5. Use of the idol gets the mastermind to the end (Russell = Yul) 6. The mastermind wins over a better challenge competitor (Mick = Ozzy, although Mick is much, much less dominating obviously) and a good social player (Natalie = Becky) 7. The winner's episode 1 alliance lasts to the end (Russell and the dumb blondes). 8. Sucks doesn't like it? Also, this episode: Brett: UTR2 Dave: OTTN3 Jaison: MOR2 John: CPP4 (He sided with the "good guys") Laura: MOR4 (She wasn't actually negative this episode after being built up as the evil queen.) Mick: MOR2 (He is NOT winning with his merge edit. It's appalling for a winner. He has to be connected with Foa Foa for story reasons, obviously, but he's had the third worst edit since the merge, after Kelly and Brett, who between them have 7 INVs and 8 UTR1s. He does not have the story basis for a winner which must be combined with pure numbers to actually pick a winner, as we've seen by Edgic's failure to pick a winner the past few seasons. His failure to lead pre-merge story is the only thing you could possibly go on here, and he hasn't been credited with rebuilding Foa Foa, Russell and Natalie have.) Monica: CP3 Natalie: UTRP2 Russell H: CP5 Shambo: OTTN4 (Cackling. Seriously. Cackling. I know she's a positive character overall but this was a negative episode just for her personally.) |
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cantthinkofaname |
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Are the people giving Natalie 2s the same ones saying she's going to win?
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YemaGrl1988 |
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augustus713 wrote:I find your Laura overall UTR rating offensive. |
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SFC |
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Im sure some of the reasons for Natalies 2's are, but there are other reasons:
- Big Focus on the Reward Challenge - Voice Over Confessional - Boot Target |
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Blake is desperate for a Mick win. If he happened to get an INV the next episode, Blake would say it was because he was "hidden."
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11/20/09 01:44 AM.
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gretchensucks |
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Rating Mick CP is ridiculous. He was just chiming in while Jaison was talking and added NOTHING to the conversation.
I didn't see Shambo as N at all. I just thought she was a funny fan favorite. Gilligan got her revenge...that's all.
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11/20/09 01:32 AM.
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chapera rocks |
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Ratings upon second watch. Several close calls with Mick, Jaison, Natalie.
Brett - UTR2 Dave - MOR3 Jaison - UTR2 (Possible MOR2) John - CP5 Laura - CP4 Mick - UTR2 (Possible MOR2) Monica - CP3 Natalie - UTRP2 (Possible 1) Russell H. - CP5 Shambo - OTTN4 |
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SurvivorNinja |
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I would love to see Mick get an INV just to see how Blake would rationalize it.
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WhoLetTheBlTCHout |
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Posts: 235 (11/20/09 03:31 AM) I don't take hints
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SuperSmizeMe wrote: fat little fingers wrote:Do i have to explain this again ![]() |
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getting real |
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Moving along. Nothing new to add.
Survivor Samoa = Season of how Russell lost to someone else. Winner of Survivor Samoa = Someone else = Someone best tied in to Russell's story = Someone with a small modicum of edited story spilled over from Russell (and Shambo's) distraction edits. = Natalie. Sorry, people. No-one else has any story this season. |
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Brett - UTR2 - lolz at Brett beating 2 other people on sentences and tie with Jaison in terms of sentences...but Brett's 1 streak
Dave - OTTN3 - so OTT, I mean it, trying to follow someone who is finding the idol for him to try and get it, then talks with Monica though Monica did all the work.... Jaison - MOR2 - Not's a good episode for him, though he's still not yet eliminated for me. John - CPM5 - I believe he's M, we're shown to have him kinda negative though he received good SPVs from Shambo Laura - CPN4 - Bye Laura, though I had hoped for an OTTNN5 exit if she got eliminated but she didn't Mick - UTR2 - I dunno why.....I dunno, he just received so shitty edits Monica - CP4 - I believe Monica's 4.....though she didn't receive that much confessional, we saw her strategizing and not like waiting there for tribal. Natalie - UTR2 - A kinda bad episode for her because this is a crucial point Russell H. - CP5 - Yeah....so CP, I didn't recall any P SPVs to him....though but he's in control. Shambo - OTTN4 - I dunno why, she just there wanting to eliminate Laura and telling every Foans to vote her out followed by uncontrollable laughter....which is not needed..... Winner Picks: *Russell H. - but too visible =( *Natalie *John Gut Feeling: *Brett - Out of Nowhere edit |
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craig |
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Someone is Mess play by play wrote:
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cyclehausen |
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I'm a little late to the party, but I htought I'd chime in over the Parvati Fvf "is she INV" busted lip episode.
You cannot be INV when the episode clearly includes a segment where you explicitly remind the host and the audience of what your name is and how it is pronounced. What single tiny line can scream "I AM HERE REMEMBER ME" more loudly than that? The end. |
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A few points about MICK, RUSSELL, and NATALIE | ||
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I'm upset. I just lost this post TWICE and have to retype it again...
--- I'll get into my main post in a second but... Blake, I don't mean anything negative by this at all so please don't take offense to it, but I do find that you are really stretching things because you want to be right so bad or have convinced yourself you are right about Mick. And since you are viewing him as the "winner," you are kindof trying to create something out of nothing (with manipulated shots at TC) in order to further justify your pick. When you are convinced something will happen, it's easy to zero in on things and make them seem more significant than they really are. Certain arguments that you are making would not have worked with you when other people were making them for Amanda or Erinn, etc. Now, I do agree with you that Mick is being hidden. I'm not exactly fully in the Mick camp anymore - I'll probably continue to vote for him - but I do have a few points to make and I think you would agree with this: One thing we have to keep in mind (we meaning all Edgicers) is that Mick is boring, monotone, and is simply not doing anything interesting. I don't think that's just my opinion; I think it is pretty clear. The audience doesn't know anything about him except being the leader and a doctor, but is there really much to know? It's obvious that Russell is basically doing all of the strategy for Foa Foa with Natalie doing a bit of manipulating on the side with the Galu women. This is what we've seen. Mick has just stayed in the shelter and done nothing while Russell tells him and Jaison how to vote. We've seen that Mick keeps calm and cool and "does his thing" (Erik said something like that about him). This is how he's playing the game so it's not going to warrant a CP edit like Russell is. He's not the strategist. He's not the mastermind. He has not been a target at the merge. I try to think of how the finale recap would portray him and the Foa Foas, and I see it saying something like "At the merge, Foa Foa was outnumbered 8-4. Mick kept a cool head while Natalie formed relationships with the Galu women and Russell scrambled with the former Galu members, making him their first target." Jaison would probably be left out of it. I think a lot of people have said this, but it's hard to imagine Mick possibly winning the game on his own merits. I don't even know that we could say Russell would lose a jury vote for being hated right now. I don't know if he is hated out there. That could be what they want the audience to think but I think it's possible that he could get respect as the true "leader" of Foa Foa and as a mastermind who overcame odds. I think he'd say that he took the game by the horns and basically controlled everything even though he was in the minority. If this is the case, his edit makes complete sense. So even though some people say "it's the story of how Russell lost, I'm not sure we've seen that. I can see Kelly and Laura voting against him, for Natalie, but other than them, I don't know. If Natalie's in the F3, I think she would emphasize her personal relationships, her growing as a person and accomplishing things outdoors that she never thought she'd do (ie. killing a rat in Episode 9). Possibly a little bit about overcoming stereotypes too and not being as dumb as people might have thought she was. I do think it's a valid point that these stories of personal growth and overcoming obstacles typically don't win. Nevertheless, Natalie explained her strategy in Episode 4 and so far she's done exactly what she said. We saw her forming the relationships with the Galu women and I also don't see the jury having a clear reason to vote AGAINST her. Yes, Russell could say she rode his coattails but she'd have a few votes that she could earn on her own, particularly the Galu women (especially Kelly and Laura who might be bitter towards Russell). I'm not sure if she'd be able to get enough votes though since we really haven't seen her bond with the Galu men at all. Mick's and/or Jaison's votes might be up for grabs if they are on the jury. But the point is that we have no reason to believe that Mick would earn votes over Natalie or that the jury would NOT vote for Natalie. That brings me to Mick: if he's in the F3, what could he say? I think it would have to be that he remained calm and cool and waiting for an opportunity to do whatever (make a move? - will he make one?), knowing that if things didn't work out with Foa Foa that Russell would be targeted first and then Natalie. So he wasn't in immediate danger. What would the jury question him about? I think it would be about poor leadership on Foa Foa. The fact that he has never been blamed or given negative portrayal for this is perhaps the biggest thing that makes me think he might win. I think the other thing he might be asked about is this supposed easygoing "calm and cool attitude." Something along the lines of how could he not really do anything when his tribe was in danger of being picked off? I'm not sure if his answers to that could actually earn him votes - votes that might actually not be going against Russell or Natalie after all. I consider these to be the three strongest contenders and most likely in a F3 scenario because a Galu pagonging seems imminent with the Foa Foas in control and Shambo can't possibly win logically. If she's in the F3, then I think she's the "Sugar" and she gets no votes. After the merge episode, I un-eliminated Jaison because of KittyPryde1 making some strong points about his edit that I hadn't considered. Two episodes later, he's kindof fallen off my radar again. His edit has almost been as up and down as Shambo's, which I don't think is good. The quitting thing isn't good and with his P trend right now, I think the editors will try to redeem him a little bit before he's voted off and he'll probably go out on a P note, and maybe earn some respect back but I don't see that he's had a coherent winning story from start to finish. Mick's is there but it's so bland and boring that it's barely detectable. I wouldn't be surprised if Mick is the person in this year's F3 who is insignificant and gets 0-1 votes. He could be the "Becky" or the "Cassandra." It would explain why he got a "decent" edit before the merge and why he's been pretty inconsequential to the post-merge game. But I also think we can't underestimate the fact that he really is boring and he's not doing anything strategic. Aras, Yul, and Earl were all arguably monotone and boring like Mick, but the difference is they were involved in the strategy. They didn't have a "Russell" who was making all of the moves and is also 100x more entertaining and therefore is naturally going to get more airtime. I still agree with Blake that Mick is getting airtime in the right places and it was good for him that he got a somewhat insightful comment about Monica in this episode. Many of you will give him UTR. He was borderline MOR and it needs to be looked at. I do believe, though, that Mick's merge episode in itself was not horrible for him. Perhaps the episode after, but that's a different argument. While it's true that the winner has tended to have a strong merge episode, I do think Blake has a valid point that there has never been a 12 person merge. Hence, there's less airtime to go around and with Russell being an automatic 5 and doing all the strategizing, the editors having to show the Shambo vs. Laura conflict, Natalie forming the relationships with the Galu women, John's plan to take out Monica, all the Erik stuff, etc. there was really no time for Mick. And he got the confessional about how he was happy about the merge, which was really all he needed. Remember, if he wasn't doing anything that contributed to the story there's no need to show him. I know I'm talking in circles a little bit because I am genuinely unsure what to make of these edits, but hopefully there are a few good points to consider in this post. |
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