Samoa Insider Episode 10

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Roadfinder		#21	[-]
Posts: 4625 (11/22/09 12:04 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Thanks for transcribing, James! Last Edited By: Roadfinder 11/22/09 6:09 AM. Edited 1 times.
MidnightPrince69		#22	[-]
Posts: 23635 (11/22/09 10:23 AM) MadStudNYC Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Had John Picked the purple rock, he would have been on the outs in everyone's eyes...as he already was. If they had gone to rocks and he had ousted himself, everyone would have called him STUPID. You know it. Personally, he should have evicted Laura, and he did.
Oowatanite		#23	[-]
Posts: 9440 (11/22/09 12:02 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Does anyone consider Paschal "stupid" for picking the PROD in Marquesas ? Nope, he was just unlucky, as PussyJohn would have been, as Dave would have been, as Jaison would have been, etc etc.
James Barber		#24	[-]
Posts: 20498 (11/22/09 12:52 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	If John had picked the purple rock, then he would have been part of Galu, and still an outsider to Foa Foa. As it is now, John is an outsider to Galu as well as to Foa Foa. Neither side has a lot of use for him. Foa Foa + Shambo are now a 5-4 majority. So if Galu go into the mode of knowing they're screwed, and just sacrificing John to each get three more days, Foa Foa may say OK. It may help in jury votes (like Yul getting rid of Jonathan before Adam/Parvati) and get rid of someone who is a challenge threat and who is not trustworthy.
toomanynachos16		#25	[-]
Posts: 549 (11/22/09 2:31 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Since when are the people who received the votes immune from the PROD??? That makes absolutely no sense to me. So then if the situation was John-Brett-Dave-Monica-Jaison-Russ-Sham all pull rocks, John has about a 57% chance of the victim being someone he wants to leave the game (Monica-Jaison-Russ-Sham). This leaves about a 29% chance that one of his allies leaves the game (Brett-Dave). He also has a 14% chance of going home himself, so does John really make the right move? It's a tough position to be in, but Foa Foa is a tight-knit group. From what we've been shown, Galu hasn't really explored turning Jaison on his alliances. Maybe John was convinced Russ would honor his word that the next to go would be a Foa Foa member. Maybe John just wanted Laura to go, knowing that he was 5th in the Galu pecking order. I hope John provides us with some of his insight next episode as to why, specifically he decided that drawing a rock was unsafe. If it was solely to get rid of Laura, then it is foolish gameplay. The same goes for trusting in Russell. However, if John says that he has a plan to try and turn Jaison or Mick then good for him...He managed to get rid of the Galu shot-caller and have a better chance at swinging Foa Foa.
Katy Carney		#26	[-]
Posts: 9468 (11/22/09 3:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	John's decision made his group the minority and also made him the new biggest target since he's the only non-Laura Galu to have won immunity, and I hope his dumbass leaves next week because he's earned it. Every decision he's made has been a complete disaster.
Derwin0		#27	[-]
Posts: 6 (11/23/09 6:20 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Since when are the people who received the votes immune from the PROD??? I've wondered where that came from as well. In the one previous time that the RROD was used, only the person with Immunity did not draw, all others (including the 2 with the votes) drew.
Miles Edgeworth		#28	[-]
Posts: 2778 (11/23/09 9:35 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	theres only been one other season where they rew the purple rock an the only reason why everybody rew was cuz it was f4 making it necessary that those vote on ha to draw rocks.
Joaqenix		#29	[-]
Posts: 4796 (11/23/09 9:55 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Katy Carney wrote: John's decision made his group the minority and also made him the new biggest target since he's the only non-Laura Galu to have won immunity, and I hope his dumbass leaves next week because he's earned it. Every decision he's made has been a complete disaster. Not to mention, wouldn't he prefer getting the 5 Foa Foa/Shambitch votes directed at him instead of Laura, cause then he'd be safe from the purple rock? Hes just a complete idiot, and I am going to so much next week when hes booted. "Junior Varisty Survivor"...kill yourself.
GrenadeJumper85		#30	[-]
Posts: 14501 (11/23/09 10:05 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Oowatanite wrote: Does anyone consider Paschal "stupid" for picking the PROD in Marquesas ? Nope, he was just unlucky, as PussyJohn would have been, as Dave would have been, as Jaison would have been, etc etc. Uuuh, yea of course he was stupid! If he was actually playing to win, he would have voted Neleh's ass out along with Kathy and Vee because he would have beaten all of the ladies in the final two. It's fucking stupid to risk your neck for a fucking purple rock. That's idiotic because you give your entire game up to chance, and what's the use in trying to save an alliance where you're clearly at the bottom of the pecking order?! There was no incentive for John to save that old hag, plus there is tons more fluidity and chance for survival working with the Foa Foa's than with Galu. They didn't even clue the guy in on the plan in the first place. Some alliance!
crocophile		#31	[-]
Posts: 11085 (11/23/09 10:51 AM) MESS Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Something was funky about the Pascal deal...he was not at the next TC (Kathy's exit) because of health issues. But he was at the final TC.
erickman		#32	[-]
Posts: 21295 (11/23/09 11:30 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts	i liked how tom tried to use the purple rock to bully people to vote his way. pap was a horny old man who did not need the money i think he was ready to leave anyway.
shibbysweet		#33	[-]
Posts: 196 (11/23/09 11:41 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: Oowatanite wrote: Does anyone consider Paschal "stupid" for picking the PROD in Marquesas ? Nope, he was just unlucky, as PussyJohn would have been, as Dave would have been, as Jaison would have been, etc etc. It's fucking stupid to risk your neck for a fucking purple rock. That's idiotic because you give your entire game up to chance, and what's the use in trying to save an alliance where you're clearly at the bottom of the pecking order?! There was no incentive for John to save that old hag, plus there is tons more fluidity and chance for survival working with the Foa Foa's than with Galu. They didn't even clue the guy in on the plan in the first place. Some alliance! Exactly, John had no reason to stick his neck out to save Laura, especially after they offered him up as bait without telling him of the plan beforehand. It made since for Dave, Brett & Monica to draw rocks as they seemed to be tight, John was 5th in the alliance, honestly he may have gone before Natalie as he may have been targeted after Russ, Mick, Jaison & Shambo were gone as he would be considered a physical threat. He also doesn't like Monica or Laura and they didn't like him either, he would have been a moron if he had of drawn the purple rock to save someone who didn't like him or have any intention of keeping him around for the long term. His only real ally appears to be Shambo, his best option was to stick with Shambo and hope that Russell sticks to his promise. As Probst said in his blog, Galu is a sinking ship, so it makes since for John to jump off. If spoilers hold true and he is gone next, then he took a gamble in trusting Russell and it backfired on him, which Russell might pay for when John casts his jury vote. But I believe John made the best decision he could make with the cards that he was dealt with at the time.
blistering		#34	[-]
Posts: 6804 (11/24/09 4:27 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	toomanynachos16 wrote: Since when are the people who received the votes immune from the PROD??? That makes absolutely no sense to me. As I understand it, production HATES TC ties and will to do anything they can to avoid them. So... they setup the purple rock rule to basically punish the voters making the tie, discouraging a second tie vote and encouraging someone to break it. From that perspective it makes perfect sense. The two people most wanted out are given immunity and EVERYONE else is at risk. Quite the motivation.
Coachocd		#35	[-]
Posts: 7944 (11/24/09 8:52 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Derwin0 wrote: Since when are the people who received the votes immune from the PROD??? I've wondered where that came from as well. In the one previous time that the RROD was used, only the person with Immunity did not draw, all others (including the 2 with the votes) drew. That's been the official purple rock rule since season 4. It was abrubtly changed at the final 4 because it would have meant only Pascal would have drawn a rock and that seemed unfair. (As it turns out he drew the purple rock anyway). After that season, the final 4 and intratribal final 2 (Ulong), was a firestarting tiebreaker.
Coachocd		#36	[-]
Posts: 7945 (11/24/09 8:53 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts	James, you are a star! Thanks for the transcripts. ------------------ What I find interesting is that we were told by previous survivors is that they are not allowed to discuss the game at jury lodge. However, that is clearly a farce. OF COURSE they talk about the game. In the same way they want the illusion that Probst pulls the votes out for the first time when he brings the urn over -- where we know from MB's own book that Probst checks the votes, sorts them out, and puts them back in the urn to pull for whatever dramatic reveal he chooses (in some cases "hiding" votes for people they don't want on the chopping block -- the producers want us to think that the jurors only get their information from tribal councils. Last Edited By: Coachocd 11/24/09 9:01 AM. Edited 1 times.
cindidindi76		#37	[-]
Posts: 20624 (11/24/09 12:26 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	shibbysweet wrote: GrenadeJumper85 wrote: Oowatanite wrote: Does anyone consider Paschal "stupid" for picking the PROD in Marquesas ? Nope, he was just unlucky, as PussyJohn would have been, as Dave would have been, as Jaison would have been, etc etc. It's fucking stupid to risk your neck for a fucking purple rock. That's idiotic because you give your entire game up to chance, and what's the use in trying to save an alliance where you're clearly at the bottom of the pecking order?! There was no incentive for John to save that old hag, plus there is tons more fluidity and chance for survival working with the Foa Foa's than with Galu. They didn't even clue the guy in on the plan in the first place. Some alliance! Exactly, John had no reason to stick his neck out to save Laura, especially after they offered him up as bait without telling him of the plan beforehand. It made since for Dave, Brett & Monica to draw rocks as they seemed to be tight, John was 5th in the alliance, honestly he may have gone before Natalie as he may have been targeted after Russ, Mick, Jaison & Shambo were gone as he would be considered a physical threat. He also doesn't like Monica or Laura and they didn't like him either, he would have been a moron if he had of drawn the purple rock to save someone who didn't like him or have any intention of keeping him around for the long term. His only real ally appears to be Shambo, his best option was to stick with Shambo and hope that Russell sticks to his promise. As Probst said in his blog, Galu is a sinking ship, so it makes since for John to jump off. If spoilers hold true and he is gone next, then he took a gamble in trusting Russell and it backfired on him, which Russell might pay for when John casts his jury vote. But I believe John made the best decision he could make with the cards that he was dealt with at the time. Not to mention, John could have thought that with Laura gone, Shambo would flip back to Galu. It's pretty clear that doesn't happen, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that Shambo let them think Laura was the reason she was flipping, since she voted with Galu the 2 previous votes where Laura had immunity.
birdlady		#38	[-]
Posts: 3063 (11/25/09 11:06 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	It made since for Dave, Brett & Monica to draw rocks as they seemed to be tight, John was 5th in the alliance As far as expected return, I think it's actually the opposite. Everyone has equal odds of drawing the purple rock. However, everyone doesn't have an equal chance of winning the game. (No matter how many times Probst asserts "1 in n chance of winning a million dollars.") So better-positioned players, such as the core of the majority Galu, have more at risk to the rock. Additionally, players with fewer, tighter alliances have more at risk - besides the chance of being booted themselves, they may lose their ally.
Riliss		#39	[-]
Posts: 6352 (11/27/09 5:07 PM) Ugly on the inside Reply Quote More Recent Posts	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: Oowatanite wrote: Does anyone consider Paschal "stupid" for picking the PROD in Marquesas ? Nope, he was just unlucky, as PussyJohn would have been, as Dave would have been, as Jaison would have been, etc etc. Uuuh, yea of course he was stupid! If he was actually playing to win, he would have voted Neleh's ass out along with Kathy and Vee because he would have beaten all of the ladies in the final two. It's fucking stupid to risk your neck for a fucking purple rock. That's idiotic because you give your entire game up to chance, and what's the use in trying to save an alliance where you're clearly at the bottom of the pecking order?! There was no incentive for John to save that old hag, plus there is tons more fluidity and chance for survival working with the Foa Foa's than with Galu. They didn't even clue the guy in on the plan in the first place. Some alliance!

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