S-19 Edgic (editing and logic)

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panurge46		#4081	[-]
Posts: 1557 (11/26/09 10:06 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	BlakeB717 wrote: I don't disagree that it was negative. It just wasn't "tons"--especially since his explanation was pretty good. He didn't want to be a leader. Ok, tons is a figure of speech but it was stated so often that Mick never received negative comments that this hit hard. His explanation, any explanation that involves getting rid of the responsibility, is not good. Consider this: If Mick wins, Burnett would love that his original twist provided the winner. I don't think he'd want us to think that Mick won despite the twist but because of it. The recap told us that Swan had good leadership skills and his alliance with Erik could have carried him far. Conversely, Mick's lack of leadership can't be good. I like the fact that Mick finally gave us a F3 connection but couldn't it be seen the other way around? He gave ammo to Russell just as much as Russell did. If Russell brings up Mick's profession first, he could say that Mick is making this up: "Do I look like a millionaire?" Or they could hurt each other.
RobVanStratus		#4082	[-]
Posts: 9500 (11/26/09 10:26 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	If the recap helps indicate the winner, it counts out Mick and Natalie, because Mick got all negativity and was labeled a TERRIBLE leader. They don't label someone a terrible leader and shit all over them if they win, even in the recap, and Natalie really only was mentioned at the beginning. If the recap has no impact on the winner, Natalie/Mick should still be on about equal ground for winning. Both have major flaws in their edit, but who doesn't at this point? Shambo is too OTT, Russell is too negative, Brett is invisible, John has had several INV, Dave didn't appear until episode 4 or 5, Monica has zero self awareness, and Jaison has spent much of the season whining about everything, as highlighted in the recap in the Ep2 challenge where he whined about John elbowing him. All of them have flaws and honestly anyone can win at this point. There's no clear winner edit this season. Mick appeared to have it until the merger when he disappeared. ETA: I'm glad they explained some of the Laura/Shambo hatred. Laura came off as a cold-hearted c.unt for caring more about tanning than talking to Shambo when she was opening up about her personal life. Maybe she would have been able to mend the broken Galu tribe and keep herself in the game.
WhoLetTheBlTCHout		#4083	[-]
Posts: 244 (11/26/09 10:36 PM) I don't take hints Reply Quote More Recent Posts	panurge46 wrote: BlakeB717 wrote: I don't disagree that it was negative. It just wasn't "tons"--especially since his explanation was pretty good. He didn't want to be a leader. Ok, tons is a figure of speech but it was stated so often that Mick never received negative comments that this hit hard. His explanation, any explanation that involves getting rid of the responsibility, is not good. Consider this: If Mick wins, Burnett would love that his original twist provided the winner. I don't think he'd want us to think that Mick won despite the twist but because of it. The recap told us that Swan had good leadership skills and his alliance with Erik could have carried him far. Conversely, Mick's lack of leadership can't be good. I like the fact that Mick finally gave us a F3 connection but couldn't it be seen the other way around? He gave ammo to Russell just as much as Russell did. If Russell brings up Mick's profession first, he could say that Mick is making this up: "Do I look like a millionaire?" Or they could hurt each other. 1.) The thing is they did not show all the negative SPVs about Mick being the leader on the "regular" show 2 and 3.) This is bothering me for a while, i do think he will win (i already congratulated the "Mick Pickers" PAGES back) but the thing is, they showed his finale connection on a RECAP show. (NOTE: Don't use the "collective Foa Foa foursome editing" on me now) So yeah, they didn't show Mick as a bad leader on the show, but they also did not show the "good stuff" about him before the RECAP. Still, Mick gave us insight about him and his strategy, which is good (If the editors can only put this on the regular show then i'll ride the Mick bandwagon till kingdom come) but for now i need to see MORE insight on the regular show. Happy Thanksgiving :-D
MasterDarkNinja		#4084	[-]
Posts: 2920 (11/26/09 10:48 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	If Mick won then I can't help but think that we would have seen Mick's explanation on why he didn't want to be the leader, and that he wanted to play an UTR game in episode #1, and not the recap episode. The fact that Mick was shown being criticized now in the recap for his lack of leadership (and was shown being a horrible leader to) is nothing but bad news for him no matter how you want to spin it, reinforced N SPV like that isn't good.. The fact that Russell told Mick about his wealth and it wasn't shown in the regular episodes to me says that it never comes up, hence why it's in the recap, it's an interesting scene to watch, but ever nothing comes of it. I'm not really seeing the potential jury connection between the two from the scene like others have mentioned. I think the fact that they showed Russell talking about his family, and saying that he's playing the game for them, is really good for Russell, it humanizes him more. That scene with Natalie and Russell where Russell asked her not to vote him out at the F3 because he played a better game then her, and Natalie's lack of a confessional to explain her 'yes Russell' response just screams Natalie loses, no way a winner would be shown saying that and not get a confessional saying "yeah of course I was lying to him" or something like that. Same with Natalie's confessional confirming that she's firmly attached to the hip of Russell and doesn't intend to leave him ever. I figured Russell did some sabotaging that we never saw, and looks like I was right with the 2 incidents they showed here. Good for Russell that they weren't shown originally, and they even cut down on the N of the secret food by showing half the cast doing the same thing, plus Russell didn't get any N SPV from anyone for any of this sabotaging in the recap episode. I didn't think Russell was OTTN at all this episode, heck, like I just said, his sabotaging wasn't even that N because there was no N SPV from others to reinforce it. The ending really screamed that this season is all about Russell to, with how Jeff asked if anyone can stop Russell, though we already knew that.
SuperSmizeMe		#4085	[-]
Posts: 23 (11/26/09 10:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	@Blake You completely berate others and get extremely defensive if someone isn't arguing for Mick. Honestly, everything you say is just hypocritical. You say these things and then later have to defend yourself because of the petty and ridiculous arguments you make. They are petty, and said arguments try to make huge points towards a Mick win, and they're totally ridiculous to argue. You can't argue that isolation shots point to a Mick win. Have VALID points. If you wouldn't post so abrasively and be such a pushy bitch and so conservative about edgic guidelines, you wouldn't have people going off on you in this forum. Is it not even slightly plausible that there is someone else who could win? Just because precious Mick is without INVs, he must win? You can argue "It's edgic" all you want, but has Amanda, Marcus or Stephen won? No. That's what others argued were edgic. People come in here with other viewpoints and want to contribute themselves, and say it all you want, but you don't respect their views. You blast them and try to make the feel stupid because they're not on the same page as you. It's fun for all of us and we all want to contribute and you make it hell for anyone you choose to attack. Edgic is not biased, like you accused Astro of thinking. You are biased.
Kitty Pryde1		#4086	[-]
Posts: 10931 (11/26/09 10:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think that, aside from Russell, the recap was bad for everyone. Mick had the horrendous comparison of his leadership to Russell S.'s leadership, especially given just how dysfunctional Galu is supposed to be. Natalie had barely anything the whole episode until she said she would hand Russell the game. And of the three non-Russells, Jaison had very little aside from a scene that really would've been better in the main show. I think I'm gonna have to bump Jaison down to second and push Russell up to my number 1 pick after this.
BlakeB717		#4087	[-]
Posts: 2463 (11/26/09 10:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	When Mick wins you will eat every last word, SuperSizeMe :)
OnlyTheHunter		#4088	[-]
Posts: 2079 (11/26/09 10:59 PM) Edgician Reply Quote More Recent Posts	panurge said I like the fact that Mick finally gave us a F3 connection but couldn't it be seen the other way around? He gave ammo to Russell just as much as Russell did. If Russell brings up Mick's profession first, he could say that Mick is making this up: "Do I look like a millionaire?" Or they could hurt each other. I am trying to recall - did someone from Galu at the merge call him "McDreamy", or was that someone here? If someone said it there, they already know Mick's a doctor, don't they? Wondering. I don't put stock in any recap all that much. Aras wasn't featured, Tom was, whatever. One question I honestly do want to ask the really long termers here. I have never re-watched any recap so I don't know how to speculate...do you see a pattern (either from the beginning or in the last few recaps) about whether time is spent simply reconstructing the game to date, or is the tone more set on setting up the post merge? It appears that in tonight's show, the end confessional of Shambo happened after Laura's boot, meaning post the recap period. Is that a first? I do have to say, having watched once came out with the following: Mick - opinions on him as the leader, how tight he and Russell have been, along with wariness of Russell Natalie - the early voice over of her time infiltrating the Galu women (then not seeing it later, odd but passable) Russell - opinions on Mick and Natalie, more gameplan talk, loosing the chickens equates starting over for him Jaison - the picking on and viewer apology of his actions toward John Brett - the odd focus on having no say in the pivotal Erik vote, very very odd due to... John - nothing, did he have a confessional? Shambo - humanizing, not given any trust by people who needed hers, the Dave scene, the Laura scene (was Laura P this time? :-) ) Dave - on one hand you love him, on the other his scene with Shambo explained how buffoonish he could be Monica - being played by Shambo, where Shambo correctly threw back the treatment she received and the hypocracy at the Erik vote by purple Reading that, it's clear the Foas and Shmabo are the big characters. I thought it odd that Brett was more memorable than John, hell that everyone was more memorable than John. Was there a John scene I missed? But minus John all the remiaining players got some nice focus to prep fans. I can't picture Shambo and Russell both in the F3. I can picture one of them. God, Shambo makes more sense to me than Russell. The end for him is someone getting the best of him. The setups were clear - payoff at the end re: Natalie/ Russ, can one defeat the other? - payoff at the end re: Mick/Russ, can Mick or Russ tar each other? - Shambo vs. purple, okay maybe she's PG, maybe she's Sugar, but she's got to be the last Galu standing. Jury votes aren't Edgic, but her Erik, John and Brett moments are very interesting. - Jaison seemed to have personal obstacles to beat. Purple, got nothing. Thought from last week - it bothered me in the sequencing WHY Shambo was honest with Brett so quickly. Not to mention John. Was that stupid or brilliant in filling them in? Michael Last Edited By: OnlyTheHunter 11/26/09 11:07 PM. Edited 3 times.
OnlyTheHunter		#4089	[-]
Posts: 2080 (11/26/09 11:01 PM) Edgician Reply Quote More Recent Posts	MDN said If Mick won then I can't help but think that we would have seen Mick's explanation on why he didn't want to be the leader, and that he wanted to play an UTR game in episode #1, and not the recap episode Actually, Mick did address this in episode one. He said he'll be glad to let Ben lead and seemed to avoid wanting to stand out. It's the same result without the backlash. Michael
SuperSmizeMe		#4090	[-]
Posts: 24 (11/26/09 11:10 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	BlakeB717 wrote: When Mick wins you will eat every last word, SuperSizeMe :) Oh no, I absolutely will not. Based on Mick's edit, I would never guess that he wins. However he does still have a chance because he is still in the game. Blake, I hope you making these comments towards me (and anyone else you've said that to, because I know you have) means that you plan on eating every last bitchy word you've said to people while berating them during the course of this season if your fantasy lover Mick does not win, and Natalie, or Russell, or Jaison, or hell, when anyone else left wins. You're a massive asshole to people on here, calling them out for not going by edgic or not making valid arguments. And then after you get attacked enough, you retort back and do what you just did a few pages back... "I actually like Natalie, but Mick is really boring,". Don't try to make yourself look modest or whatever, and make it look like you aren't a raging bitch who only will support Mick's edit. I am a raging bitch, and I will not support Mick's edit. I don't like his character and I don't like his edit. That's about it. Natalie, Russell and Jaison all have better characters and edits. End of story as far as I see it.
BlakeB717		#4091	[-]
Posts: 2464 (11/26/09 11:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SuperSmizeMe wrote: BlakeB717 wrote: When Mick wins you will eat every last word, SuperSizeMe :) Oh no, I absolutely will not. Based on Mick's edit, I would never guess that he wins. However he does still have a chance because he is still in the game. Blake, I hope you making these comments towards me (and anyone else you've said that to, because I know you have) means that you plan on eating every last bitchy word you've said to people while berating them during the course of this season if your fantasy lover Mick does not win, and Natalie, or Russell, or Jaison, or hell, when anyone else left wins. You're a massive asshole to people on here, calling them out for not going by edgic or not making valid arguments. And then after you get attacked enough, you retort back and do what you just did a few pages back... "I actually like Natalie, but Mick is really boring,". Don't try to make yourself look modest or whatever, and make it look like you aren't a raging bitch who only will support Mick's edit. I am a raging bitch, and I will not support Mick's edit. I don't like his character and I don't like his edit. That's about it. Natalie, Russell and Jaison all have better characters and edits. End of story as far as I see it. Right! As far as you see it. To each their own :-) I assure you that my Mick pick is strictly based on Edgic fundamentals and nothing more. Lol. I don't play the fantard game like many seem to with Natalie (since her first three episodes are edgically disgusting).
WhoLetTheBlTCHout		#4092	[-]
Posts: 249 (11/26/09 11:18 PM) I don't take hints Reply Quote More Recent Posts	BlakeB717 wrote: SuperSmizeMe wrote: BlakeB717 wrote: When Mick wins you will eat every last word, SuperSizeMe :) Oh no, I absolutely will not. Based on Mick's edit, I would never guess that he wins. However he does still have a chance because he is still in the game. Blake, I hope you making these comments towards me (and anyone else you've said that to, because I know you have) means that you plan on eating every last bitchy word you've said to people while berating them during the course of this season if your fantasy lover Mick does not win, and Natalie, or Russell, or Jaison, or hell, when anyone else left wins. You're a massive asshole to people on here, calling them out for not going by edgic or not making valid arguments. And then after you get attacked enough, you retort back and do what you just did a few pages back... "I actually like Natalie, but Mick is really boring,". Don't try to make yourself look modest or whatever, and make it look like you aren't a raging bitch who only will support Mick's edit. I am a raging bitch, and I will not support Mick's edit. I don't like his character and I don't like his edit. That's about it. Natalie, Russell and Jaison all have better characters and edits. End of story as far as I see it. Right! As far as you see it. To each their own :-) I assure you that my Mick pick is strictly based on Edgic fundamentals and nothing more. Lol. I don't play the fantard game like many seem to with Natalie (since her first three episodes are edgically disgusting). Oh no he didn't : D
fat little fingers		#4093	[-]
Posts: 6366 (11/26/09 11:21 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	If the recap helps indicate the winner, it counts out Mick and Natalie, because Mick got all negativity and was labeled a TERRIBLE leader. They don't label someone a terrible leader and shit all over them if they win, even in the recap, Based on one watch, I recall Mick giving a fairly long explanation of why he was avoiding being much of a leader. Granted there's nothing to say that lets him off the hook, but I was interested that they gave him an opportunity to answer every comment made about him this evening. But, on a night when every program is running repeats, does any of this matter? We can only wait for the regular season to find out. I won't be able to watch again until Wednesday. Still on the road.
Oowatanite		#4094	[-]
Posts: 9478 (11/26/09 11:30 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	MasterDarkNinja wrote: If Mick won then I can't help but think that we would have seen Mick's explanation on why he didn't want to be the leader, and that he wanted to play an UTR game in episode #1, and not the recap episode. The fact that Mick was shown being criticized now in the recap for his lack of leadership (and was shown being a horrible leader to) is nothing but bad news for him no matter how you want to spin it, reinforced N SPV like that isn't good.. So let me get this straight. Mick's explanation on why he didn't want to be leader *is bad* because it was *shown in the recap* but *not in the early episodes. But the negative SPV about Mick's leadership shown in the recap* only is *also bad* for Mick. So "good stuff" for Mick in the recap is "no good" because it was only shown in the recap. And "bad stuff" for Mick in the recap is "still bad" despite only being shown in the recap. You can't have it both ways, people ! Jeez !!!!
augustus713		#4095	[-]
Posts: 181 (11/26/09 11:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	panurge46 wrote: I like the fact that Mick finally gave us a F3 connection but couldn't it be seen the other way around? He gave ammo to Russell just as much as Russell did. If Russell brings up Mick's profession first, he could say that Mick is making this up: "Do I look like a millionaire?" Or they could hurt each other. Residents don't make much money and almost everyone coming out of residency still owes an assload of money.
BlakeB717		#4096	[-]
Posts: 2465 (11/26/09 11:32 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	fat little fingers wrote: If the recap helps indicate the winner, it counts out Mick and Natalie, because Mick got all negativity and was labeled a TERRIBLE leader. They don't label someone a terrible leader and shit all over them if they win, even in the recap, Based on one watch, I recall Mick giving a fairly long explanation of why he was avoiding being much of a leader. Granted there's nothing to say that lets him off the hook, but I was interested that they gave him an opportunity to answer every comment made about him this evening. But, on a night when every program is running repeats, does any of this matter? We can only wait for the regular season to find out. I won't be able to watch again until Wednesday. Still on the road. I totally agree. He got an explaination for everything said about him. Alas, some fail to see this Apparently it was "TONS" of negative SPV showing him to be a "TERRIBLE" leader. There was more to that scene than simple Mick bashing: Mick got more to say than anyone else in that scene!
BlakeB717		#4097	[-]
Posts: 2466 (11/26/09 11:33 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Oowatanite wrote: MasterDarkNinja wrote: If Mick won then I can't help but think that we would have seen Mick's explanation on why he didn't want to be the leader, and that he wanted to play an UTR game in episode #1, and not the recap episode. The fact that Mick was shown being criticized now in the recap for his lack of leadership (and was shown being a horrible leader to) is nothing but bad news for him no matter how you want to spin it, reinforced N SPV like that isn't good.. So let me get this straight. Mick's explanation on why he didn't want to be leader *is bad* because it was *shown in the recap* but *not in the early episodes. But the negative SPV about Mick's leadership shown in the recap* only is *also bad* for Mick. So "good stuff" for Mick in the recap is "no good" because it was only shown in the recap. And "bad stuff" for Mick in the recap is "still bad" despite only being shown in the recap. You can't have it both ways, people ! Jeez !!!! bows down And they say I'M the hypocrite!!
fat little fingers		#4098	[-]
Posts: 6367 (11/26/09 11:35 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jury votes aren't Edgic, but her Erik, John and Brett moments are very interesting. And the Monica scene and the repeat of Mick talking about how great she was. Not to forget, "Maybe it will help me down the road, maybe it won't.", (don't have the exact quote), after telling John and Eric about the idol clue. Not Edgic, but I agree, interesting. Oh, and OTH, Laura's scene on the beach with Shambo was made to look pretty bad. Her responses about the deaths in Shambo's family made me cringe.
BlakeB717		#4099	[-]
Posts: 2467 (11/26/09 11:41 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yeah, especially the camera going in on Laura and her saying "Where's the sunshine?" instead of consoling Shambo. I guess we know why Laura wanted the blankets: tanning time.
RobVanStratus		#4100	[-]
Posts: 9503 (11/26/09 11:49 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I most certainly am not trying to have it both ways. If the recap counts for anything, Mick should be eliminated. He was labeled a terrible leader and gave poor explanation for his actions. Everyone looked at him as this clueless idiot as a leader. If the recap doesn't count, Mick should still be left as a low rung pick. He has zero story, no strategy at all, and is nothing more than a pretty face. I still have yet to see him even get any bit of complexity. He's like Marcus, except Marcus was slightly complex, but nearly as complex as everyone made him out to be. I'm just pointing out both sides and how neither way it works out in Mick's favor.

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