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goesncircles		#6281	[-]
Posts: 28 (11/27/09 10:35 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Click here to break the ad gravity rule. Remove this ad anders332 wrote: And as someone pointed out a few pages back, this performance would've been rehearsed several times, so what he did was not a surprise to the producers of the show - that be why they aired it so late and not an entertainment segment earlier in the show. I'm shocked by what offends/shocks people - with everything going on in the world, network/cable TV and on Daytime Soap Operas, THIS is what people find offensive to their sensibilities??? This. It didn't surprise me at all...nor did it offend me. I am a female living in a middle class white bread medical community. I don't watch American Idol and I barely know who Adam Lambart is... It was on late enough and also...the AMAs aren't exactly family programming. If I had kids I wouldn't let them stay up that late and they wouldn't be watching the AMAs if they were. There are better things for them to be watching. Any afternoon of the week you can see soft-core porn on ABC. Any week night on any of the regular channels you can, too...things can get pretty sexual on Dancing with the Stars or SYTYCD. At times I'd say more so. Gossip Girl comes on at 7pm here and no one seemed to have a problem with them simulating group sex. I do think there is a huge double standard because it involved a gay man. A gay man who wears make-up. The horror! Last Edited By: goesncircles 11/27/09 10:38 AM. Edited 1 times.
croakrqueen		#6282	[-]
Posts: 1076 (11/27/09 11:13 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	anders332 wrote: I'm shocked by what offends/shocks people - with everything going on in the world, network/cable TV and on Daytime Soap Operas, THIS is what people find offensive to their sensibilities??? I finally got around to watching this, and I'm more offended that he came so close to winning AI. I personally think he sucks at singing. As for thinking about the children, we sure don't when it comes to hetro sex. How many little boys do you see running around trying to go down on each other because they saw it on tv? But how many little girls are running around dressed like little whores because they saw someone on tv doing it? The picture below would be a good example of this. Dirrty was shown on tv at all hours of the day. As someone else pointed out, Adam's performance was at 11pm, when kids should be in bed. The ones that are getting so upset are probably just negligent parents who are pissed they might actually have to get involved and monitor what their children are doing.
JerseyJerk		#6283	[-]
Posts: 4417 (11/27/09 11:23 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yes it was shown at all hours. On MTV. One would expect that from this channel. I'm sick of being nice and tying to point out basic morality to you people. If you don't understand that it was wrong to shove a face in your crotch, simulating oral sex, on a show that children watch than you are an idiot. Family friendly show with no history of prior "badness" + Ryan fucking Seascrest + An American Idol who we had never before seen pull that shit = You all saying it should have been expected? or that kids should not have been watching? It is not subjective. It is wrong. If it directly affects someone for the worse than it is not ok. Forget the lame "well I hate Ryan Seacrest so that offended me" type bullshit. This was oral sex that was simulated and it should not have been. Where exactly is the "line" for you people.
cginspace		#6284	[-]
Posts: 9915 (11/27/09 11:48 AM) AI/X-Factor Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Basic morality? Glee talks about teenage sex and pregnancy and "Sexting.." all at 9 pm! Gossip girl has 3-ways... early, too! Then let's not mention the stuff on Vampire diaries, Desperate Housewives, Hell even Grey's Fucking Anatomy has people having sex in utility closets. You talk about Dirty being on MTV... ALL kids get MTV and watch it A LOT. And the video was on at all hours. The AMAs showed that bit at the end of the broadcast, around 11 pm. Sorry, but kids should be in bed by that time and others can make a choice. Shit. I have to put up with all the disgusting shit on CSI every time I channel surf past it. I see blood and gore on 80% of TV. To me, THAT is just "Wrong," as you put it, Jerk. What do I do? Get upset, yes; but I also change the channel. With kids, I keep the TV watching supervised and keep it to proper hours, not after 10. Here is something I have learned in over 15 years working with young people and helping to raise my own nieces: You can't shield kids from things (or adults, for that matter). Open, honest conversation is the best remedy. I remember working with preteens a few years back and we would discuss things they had seen on TV. They started to say, "That's not so cool" "Or that isn't funny to me, anymore." They actually stopped watching a lot of the trash they used to watch on their own. As someone who very much was shielded from things, I had two disadvantages: First off, the things I was not able to see began to have mythical properties, and grew incredibly fascinating because they were taboo; and second, I had NO preparation when the reality actually hit me. I did a lot of stupid shit that really should have killed me because I had no preparation, no adult who could guide me through it. It's not about common decency so much as it is about having honest conversations. Funny to me that people bitch and moan about being PC, then want to pretend we live in some idealized world where it only works if TV shows kids drinking milkshakes and reruns of Barney. This is the same concept: Something makes you uncomfortable, so you try to "shut it up " or shut it down.
Carboys Desire		#6285	[-]
Posts: 12076 (11/27/09 11:56 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Elizabitch is definitely one of those people that live in an idealized (bullshit) world. I still would like to know how the children were harmed and what will become of them as a result of seeing Adam's crotch in a dancer's face, assuming they understood what it meant. And him kissing an Androgynous keyboard player that they probably, like I did, assumed to be female. Are they all homosexual now? Is that what this is about? That an American Idol is recruiting boys to be gay??? I am now convinced it is a double-standard whereas I was not before.
JerseyJerk		#6286	[-]
Posts: 4419 (11/27/09 12:27 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	You say these shows do these things "All the time". I should know then that that is what to expect. Its as simple as this: It was not expected and it was inappropriate. Enough said. Those are two FACTS. It was not known that he was going to do it. FACT. It is inappropriate to shove any head in a crotch. FACT. I don't understand what you guys don't get. Even if one person thinks a sexual act is inappropriate than it is. Janet Jackson showed her breast. Something half the viewing audience has and the other half will see, have seen, or nursed from. Notice the uproar from that and Adam Lambert is allowed to simulate someone sucking his dick and we should just let it slide because some people were not offended. They need some kind of set rules of what can and can't be done. If things are sexual, racial, or mocking the sick/poor/less fortunate than it should not be seen on a basic cable channel at ANY time. And for all you progressive people with your "Its not harming anyone" it is ridiculous to assume kids are in bed at 9 pm this day and age.
croakrqueen		#6287	[-]
Posts: 1077 (11/27/09 12:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JerseyJerk wrote: It is not subjective. It is wrong. If it directly affects someone for the worse than it is not ok. You really need to get a dictionary, and read the defination over and over until you understand it. I'm curious to see how this affects people in the long run. I mean sure, it might make you uncomfortable, but if you're having nightmares, or suffering from PTSD over this, you may have needed help long before all this...
Carboys Desire		#6288	[-]
Posts: 12077 (11/27/09 12:39 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Those are two FACTS. It was not known that he was going to do it. FACT.* It is inappropriate to shove any head in a crotch. FACT.* Here is the rehearsal footage that was posted at ABC.COM two days BEFORE the show aired: http://abc.go.com/watch/clip/2009-american-music-awards/SH011880100000/145425/241741?&clipId=241741#sl-0 WHOOPS! They took it down. Wonder why? Hmmm. Here is the Facebook page that advertised the rehearsal footage. It IS still up: http://www.facebook.com/notes/adam-lambert/adam-lambert-ama-rehearsal/180179249020 They knew. They knew very damned well he was going to do it. And they had the option to use the 7-second delay but they chose not to. I realize you meant that you, as a viewer, did not know what to expect but the FACT is that it was indeed known by the network what he was going to do.
MarleeRojas		#6289	[-]
Posts: 5114 (11/27/09 12:52 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I can understand people taking offense with the oral sex simulation but I don't understand why people are getting all bent out of shape over the kiss. I mean, isn't 'Brothers & Sisters' on at 10pm on Sundays? Doesn't that involve a certain amount of man-on-man kissing? Obviously not as gratuitous as this but still.
Carboys Desire		#6290	[-]
Posts: 12078 (11/27/09 01:05 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Click here to break the ad gravity rule. Remove this ad And for all you progressive people with your "Its not harming anyone" it is ridiculous to assume kids are in bed at 9 pm this day and age. We are talking about 11 pm, not 9 pm. Big difference. Lets break this down. What is a "kid" anyway? Is it everyone under the age of 18? Is a 14, 15, 16, or 17 year-old going to be as affected by what he or she saw as would a 6, 7, 8, or 9 year-old? I don't think so. Would anyone 5 or under even understand what they were seeing? Probably not. The ones aged 10 to 13--do they really care about Adam Lambert??? Really? If so, are they now in therapy? And was the 6 to 9 year-old set really up at 11 pm on a school night waiting to see Adam Lambert? Shouldn't they, the impressionable young, be in bed already? If they were not, is the Adam Lambert performance really what should be frowned upon here? What about the parent's responsibility to ensure their children are rested, for school the next morning? Last Edited By: Carboys Desire 11/27/09 01:07 PM. Edited 1 times.
maxxfisher		#6291	[-]
Posts: 6387 (11/27/09 01:06 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	What I find offensive is Adam Lmabert in interviews following the performance "Oh I'm an artist, I had no idea people would be shocked." "How can they censor me, I'm an artist". Dude, shut the fuck up. You are getting exactly what you wanted out of your performance. I don't care what he did, where he did it, but stop with your pretend outrage over a act you knew would get the reaction it did.
Carboys Desire		#6292	[-]
Posts: 12079 (11/27/09 01:10 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	maxxfisher wrote: What I find offensive is Adam Lmabert in interviews following the performance "Oh I'm an artist, I had no idea people would be shocked." "How can they censor me, I'm an artist". Dude, shut the fuck up. You are getting exactly what you wanted out of your performance. I don't care what he did, where he did it, but stop with your pretend outrage over a act you knew would get the reaction it did. Madonna used to pull the same crap when she defended her SEX book, and her Pepsi commercial, and her Like A Prayer video, and on and on and on... What did you expect him to say? "FUCK YEAH, IT WORKED! I shocked the prudes and that was my plan all along. I'm not an idiot. More press than Lady Gaga bitchez!!! WOOHOO!!! Is anyone talking about Taylor? No! It's me! Bwaahahahahahaaa!" Playing the part of the "artist" is what further fuels the machine. It's all calculated.
willsucks402		#6293	[-]
Posts: 13079 (11/27/09 02:01 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I dont remember Madonna acting suprised that her stuff shocked. There was nothing wrong with Madonna's Pepsi commercial so there was nothing to defend there. It was pulled because of the Like a Prayer video. As for the book what does that have to do with anything..unless they read the book on reading rainbow.
anders332		#6294	[-]
Posts: 3992 (11/27/09 02:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Madonna did everything for shock value - the only difference is 20 yrs and that Boy George didn't do it first.
GrenadeJumper85		#6295	[-]
Posts: 14573 (11/27/09 02:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I was offended. Not because of gay boy kissing, the crotch grabbing, and oral sex simulation. I was offended because it was a god awful performance by a god awful "singer/artist."
Carboys Desire		#6296	[-]
Posts: 12081 (11/27/09 02:13 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: I was offended. Not because of gay boy kissing, the crotch grabbing, and oral sex simulation. I was offended because it was a god awful performance by a god awful "singer/artist." Good point! Those who say he should just stand there and sing should listen to the song again. It kinda sucks. It's ironic that a song called FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT is so lacking in...entertainment. Perhaps he realized he needed something to make it a spectacle, so that he might at least garner some press about it. You have to admit...even people that did not watch the show heard about it, and some of them went to find it online. AND, more importantly, people that didn't watch that may not have realized his CD was even out yet certainly do now. Last Edited By: Carboys Desire 11/27/09 02:15 PM. Edited 1 times.
willsucks402		#6297	[-]
Posts: 13080 (11/27/09 02:14 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	anders332 wrote: Madonna did everything for shock value - the only difference is 20 yrs and that Boy George didn't do it first. Never said she didnt, I said i dont remember her acted stupid about it "Oh gee that offended someone, I had no idea it would"
cginspace		#6298	[-]
Posts: 9921 (11/27/09 03:58 PM) AI/X-Factor Moderator Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JerseyJerk wrote: I don't understand what you guys don't get. Even if one person thinks a sexual act is inappropriate than then (yw for the edit) it is. I think that seeing men and women getting all pervy oin Grey's Anatomy is inappropriate! Yay.! I am one person! Hurray! Because the Jerk said so, my one opinion makes Grey's Anatomy ENTIRELY inappropriate. ABC, I will accept my apology via phone, email or text. Thanks! It's so exciting to be a one-man moral arbiter!
PinotEnvy		#6299	[-]
Posts: 3150 (11/27/09 04:15 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Carboys Desire wrote: You have to admit...even people that did not watch the show heard about it, and some of them went to find it online. AND, more importantly, people that didn't watch that may not have realized his CD was even out yet certainly do now. You got that right. One of the first topics broached at my family Thanksgiving Dinner yesterday was Adam's performance. Apparently, it was a "hot topic" at the Bible study my aunt and grandmother attend. My aunt is an AI watcher and knows who Adam is, but did not see his performance so she asked me about it. Of course all the Bible thumpers were freaking out about it. Almost all of whom never even saw the performance, but only heard about it and joined up with the mob of protesters.
ZippyDoDa		#6300	[-]
Posts: 12186 (11/27/09 05:10 PM) Such a naughty monkey Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Click here to break the ad gravity rule. Remove this ad GrenadeJumper85 wrote: I was offended. Not because of gay boy kissing, the crotch grabbing, and oral sex simulation. I was offended because it was a god awful performance by a god awful "singer/artist." Big red ecks

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