S-19 Edgic (editing and logic)

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goohst		#4121	[-]
Posts: 1392 (11/27/09 3:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	chapera rocks wrote: Anyone else think Brett had his swan song? Boost in airtime in episode 10 and now the recap. Very Sydney-esque. Which is why I bumped him down on my winner's list.
Mypoody2		#4122	[-]
Posts: 10671 (11/27/09 3:25 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Okay I have this argument all the time with a friend on AIM, so I wanted to weigh in with you guys. Do you think they are villifying Shambo or trying to make her the underdog hero? To me, it seemed like the recap highlighted all the moments that Galu alienated her and that she is now seeking revenge for. Like the Laura/Shambo scene, it came across like Laura was just very cold "..well theyre better off..." punch. It just came across frustrating. You wanted Laura to give her a hug or console her or SOMETHING and she didn't do anything. And then the scene with Dave talking to her like a child and she was like... uh fuck off. I don't know am I misreading this? How do the editors want us to view Shambo?
Shred		#4123	[-]
Posts: 245 (11/27/09 3:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Mypoody2 wrote: Okay I have this argument all the time with a friend on AIM, so I wanted to weigh in with you guys. Do you think they are villifying Shambo or trying to make her the underdog hero? To me, it seemed like the recap highlighted all the moments that Galu alienated her and that she is now seeking revenge for. Like the Laura/Shambo scene, it came across like Laura was just very cold "..well theyre better off..." punch. It just came across frustrating. You wanted Laura to give her a hug or console her or SOMETHING and she didn't do anything. And then the scene with Dave talking to her like a child and she was like... uh fuck off. I don't know am I misreading this? How do the editors want us to view Shambo? There trying to make us feel bad for Shambo It is not working though 0_0 I actually thought Brett got treated better then most in the recap. Not wanting to be in on what brings Galu down.
Mypoody2		#4124	[-]
Posts: 10672 (11/27/09 3:31 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Despite your personal feelings though, I'm not alone in thinking that they are trying to make us sympathize with Shambo, despite her potential craziness.
Shred		#4125	[-]
Posts: 248 (11/27/09 3:33 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Mypoody2 wrote: Despite your personal feelings though, I'm not alone in thinking that they are trying to make us sympathize with Shambo, despite her potential craziness. They are 100 percent making her out as the victim. Even Jeff said pre show he thinks she will be the fan favorite. Personal feelings aside she is 100 percent getting the victim feel bad for me edit.
MasterDarkNinja		#4126	[-]
Posts: 2921 (11/27/09 3:44 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Mypoody2 wrote: Okay I have this argument all the time with a friend on AIM, so I wanted to weigh in with you guys. Do you think they are villifying Shambo or trying to make her the underdog hero? To me, it seemed like the recap highlighted all the moments that Galu alienated her and that she is now seeking revenge for. Like the Laura/Shambo scene, it came across like Laura was just very cold "..well theyre better off..." punch. It just came across frustrating. You wanted Laura to give her a hug or console her or SOMETHING and she didn't do anything. And then the scene with Dave talking to her like a child and she was like... uh fuck off. I don't know am I misreading this? How do the editors want us to view Shambo? The editors keep changing from episode to episode what they want us to think about Shambo, look at all her P's and N's on the chart, she has at least 3 of each. Usually when the tone is that wild and random the N tone wins out on most viewers in my opinion (think Dreamz, and S11 Steph). I thought the scene of Shambo crying was mixed at best for her, the stuff she said about Laura seemed uncalled for based on what they actually showed us.
getting real		#4127	[-]
Posts: 1922 (11/27/09 4:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Mypoody, I think that her edit is likely tied into what eventually happens to her. Her P tone is reflective of her role in bringing Galu down and helping Foa Foa win; her glimpses of stupidity and N tone are meant to condition us for her coming to a sticky end, probably one of clueless betrayal. Yet it will probably be intended for us to be sad when she goes.
cindidindi76		#4128	[-]
Posts: 20658 (11/27/09 4:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	RobVanStratus wrote: I most certainly am not trying to have it both ways. If the recap counts for anything, Mick should be eliminated. He was labeled a terrible leader and gave poor explanation for his actions. Everyone looked at him as this clueless idiot as a leader. If the recap doesn't count, Mick should still be left as a low rung pick. He has zero story, no strategy at all, and is nothing more than a pretty face. I still have yet to see him even get any bit of complexity. He's like Marcus, except Marcus was slightly complex, but nearly as complex as everyone made him out to be. I'm just pointing out both sides and how neither way it works out in Mick's favor. The recap doesn't really count, but some people still like to use it as a "tool". The problem with that is that there's not really a pattern to what they show in the recaps when it comes to winners. Obviously the big charatcers of the season will be featured in the recap, but winners visibility in the recaps has been all over the place.
panurge46		#4129	[-]
Posts: 1558 (11/27/09 5:18 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	augustus713 wrote: panurge46 wrote: I like the fact that Mick finally gave us a F3 connection but couldn't it be seen the other way around? He gave ammo to Russell just as much as Russell did. If Russell brings up Mick's profession first, he could say that Mick is making this up: "Do I look like a millionaire?" Or they could hurt each other. Residents don't make much money and almost everyone coming out of residency still owes an assload of money. You and I know that yet Mick chose to lie to everyone except Russell. The problem is in the lie, telling everyone he was a lab technician I think. Now, will the others think he's a resident in debt or that he's really a Beverly Hills doctor to the stars?
ZombieLinda		#4130	[-]
Posts: 8990 (11/27/09 5:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think Shambo's portrayal is just fair to her actual self. At first she was a sympathetic character, but now I can't understand how anyone wouldn't see her as a psychotic hag. That side of her seems like it'll continue next week with all the psychic power trippin' stuff. <3
panurge46		#4131	[-]
Posts: 1559 (11/27/09 6:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Shambo's edit is understood with the need to have the audience root against Laura and for Foa Foa. For that, we had to feel for Shambo. Now that Laura's gone, sympathy for Shambo is no longer needed. The same reasoning explains Kelly and Brett's edit. Those two were likable but, unfortunately, were friends with Laura. If we had known them more, we would have cared for them and would have been on Laura's side. Now is a good time to get to know Brett.
Mypoody2		#4132	[-]
Posts: 10675 (11/27/09 9:26 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Erm... disagreeance on Kelly. Maybe Brett, but Kelly was more bitchy towards Shambo than Laura herself. Didn't she have some line about Shambo being like trailer trash and then winning the lottery or something equally appalling.
Mikester		#4133	[-]
Posts: 7884 (11/27/09 10:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Kelly's quote was basically true
getting real		#4134	[-]
Posts: 1923 (11/27/09 11:00 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Shambo's edit is understood with the need to have the audience root against Laura and for Foa Foa. For that, we had to feel for Shambo. Now that Laura's gone, sympathy for Shambo is no longer needed. I'd say Shambo's early P tone had more to do with making the audience root for Foa Foa than rooting against Laura. It's a little bit like the chicken-and-egg argument but Laura's negative edit was itself a means to achieving the end result of making Foa Foa look good. If it wasn't for that, there would not have been any need to go to the extremes they went to with Laura's edit. The entire Laura v Shambo antipathy had more to do with Foa Foa than with each other.
panurge46		#4135	[-]
Posts: 1560 (11/28/09 1:23 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	"The entire Laura v Shambo antipathy had more to do with Foa Foa than with each other." That's exactly what I said.
getting real		#4136	[-]
Posts: 1924 (11/28/09 1:46 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	panurge46 wrote: "The entire Laura v Shambo antipathy had more to do with Foa Foa than with each other." That's exactly what I said. Actually, sorry to sound discordant, Panurge, but what you said was exactly what I'd said 4 posts above yours, in post 4127.
Findan		#4137	[-]
Posts: 59 (11/28/09 1:52 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I realize that this episode isn't to be used for edgic purposes and there hasn't been any real pattern to it for the winner; however, since Jaison is my edgic pick, I thought to share my thoughts with having just watched it. I didn't immediately think as a viewer that Jaison saying 'survivor being a bad decision' were to write him off as winner because they would never edit their winner that way. I thought that it was possible that Jaison's story could change from that. (I do accept that it also may possibly be a redemption arc). And besides, they want you to know how difficult Survivor is. Everyone was suffering and Jaison was one of several on those episodes to be shown suffering or talking about it in some way. All of whom were juxtaposed to Russell thriving. Jaison was the good to Ben's evil. It was Jaison who caused Ben's boot. Jaison was the idea man and Natalie the executioner to get Eric booted, also in 'hero' role. Now we know the story of Jaison's life. Guys who don't play by the rules getting ahead of the guys who do, and we know that he plays by the rules. "He needs to win." (Yeah, I realize probably a stretch to put a winner's quote in the recap.) Jaison is the good to Russell's evil. Jaison voted winner as the 'story of his life' is now changed and the good guy wins.
Jedijake		#4138	[-]
Posts: 5997 (11/28/09 8:59 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jaison winning this season could possibly be the only good thing to come out of all of this. He's been consistently shown and has been erratic but not as much as Shambo.
panurge46		#4139	[-]
Posts: 1562 (02/09/07 2:59 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Getting real, I realize that we have similar views of Shambo's edit but my response was for your post # 4134 where you quoted me, opened up your argument in rebuttal form ("I'd say Shambo's early P tone had more to do...") and then proceeded to say the same thing I did. After your post, ZombieLinda was still unsure of Shambo's edit so I added my view. Simple as that.
Jedijake		#4140	[-]
Posts: 5999 (11/28/09 10:34 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Right now, the BEST final 3 would be Russell, Shambo, and Jaison. Those 3 have the best edits and would make an interesting finale.

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