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Natalie Won.. oh well, I was wrong.. WORST WINNER EVER!!!!

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SuperJude		#81	[-]
Posts: 15290 (11/29/09 09:58 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Viva la removeaducion! Remove this ad Not saying we couldn't I just feel that Russell won't win this season. I can more readilly see Natalie, Mick or Jaison. Let's say Natalie makes F3. What can Mick or Jaison say they did that Natalie didn't? They all followed Russell's lead, all voted the same way and have all been pretty much underwhelming other than the one move any of them made in Natalie getting Galu to flip on Eric. Mick vs Jaison, I dunno it's kind of a wash but I think Jaison is slightly more well liked so would have the edge. I can't fathom Russell getting the votes to win with the way he's played and the fact this will be an OBVIOUSLY bitter and emotionally driven jury. Thus, Natalie CAN win. Yes, we know Natalie more. What strategy, pray tell, were we shown with Danni? She was always shown as being with some alliance, never made moves, all her face time was the camera focusing on her ass. Just saying, this season feels like the Guatemala edit. Russell = StepheME. The season is all about them and why they lost Natalie/Mick/Jaison = Danni, the well liked person who pulls out an underdog win mainly because of the person above (Danni doesn't win without Steph on that season, Foa Foa isn't in the position they are in without Russell). Not to say Shamu or Danger Dave or somebody won't make the endgame but I think Foa Foa pretty clearly blew their chances at winning this game. -SJ™
smellofawoman		#82	[-]
Posts: 421 (11/29/09 10:00 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Bob didn't get any time until the merge or any time on the clip show either.
Mister Plum		#83	[-]
Posts: 8047 (11/29/09 10:10 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	D: I still hope that Russell will win.
Archibald C		#84	[-]
Posts: 145 (11/29/09 10:20 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Natalie can't be compared to Bob because Natalie actually has made strategic moves and discussed them. In ep 4 she had a confessional right after Russell called her a stupid follower about going to the end with Russell, because she knows her social game could possibly beat Russell's "strategic" game. Then at the merge we of course had her Erik boot, where she showed how good her social game really was. I'll give you this, she definitely hasn't been at the forefront of the game strategically, but she definitely isn't a typical "Just tell me how to vote and I'm there" player. I also normally think UTR followers are lousy players, but with Russell it's a totally different story. You really have no choice but to follow him. Pre-merge opposing Russell meant getting voted out (Marissa, Betsy, Liz), and post-merge Foa Foa really had no choice but to stick together. And if they do end up in the finals together, I think Natalie has a much better chance than we might think. I think in the show they are trying to set it up to look like Russell is seen as this great player who is destined to win, but almost every single person who has left the game has had nothing but horrible things to say about him, especially Erik, Kelly, and Laura, the first three members of the jury. That definitely could just be a red herring, because this season you can't be sure about anything, but I think if Natalie goes to the end with Russell and someone else boring or unlikeable, she could squeak out a victory.
SuperJude		#85	[-]
Posts: 15293 (11/29/09 10:23 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Strategy has been Russell and then Everybody Else. So essentially we're comparing Natalie to Mick, Jaison, Danger Dave, Shamu, John, Brett, and Monica, not exactly an inspiring buch to be certain. Jaison did axe Ben and start the move on Erik so he has some ground to stand on. WTF has Mick done other than smile at the camera a lot? -SJ™
River50		#86	[-]
Posts: 284 (11/29/09 11:00 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	If we're comparing Natalie to Mick, Jaison, Danger Dave, Shamu, John, Brett, and Monica, I think Natalie does have a good shot at winning. I don't think the Foa Four will make the same mistake as Gaulu and take out their own too soon, as it would be too risky for any of them to go up against a Gaulu (even Shambo) when most of the jury will be Gaulu members. So, if it's between Natalie and any of the other Foa guys, I think she could take it. The Gaulu tribe has many times expressed disdain and even a sense of disgust toward the "strapping guys" who cannot seem to pull it together during the challenges, and during TC they have expressed a lack of respect for their game in general. But, they did behaviorally show a sense of respect toward Natalie when they allowed her to influence them all to vote out their own during first post merge TC. Edit: I think the Gaulu jury will in retrospect infer that Natalie must have been playing a good game because she talked them into making the biggest game changing mistake of the season. Last Edited By: River50 11/29/09 11:05 AM. Edited 1 times.
JPOz		#87	[-]
Posts: 82 (11/29/09 02:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Beefcake wrote: But Danni was shown to be more involved in the strategy. With Natalie, we've gotten repeated scenes of her saying she is just following Russell. Not pretending to follow him or playing him, but just following him. If she's the winner, by now we should have seen some kind of foreshadowing of her taking down Russell, or even of her saying she wants to go to FTC with Russell because she thinks everyone will hate him. If we get some kind of confessional from her like that, then I think she wins. But more importantly, I don't WANT another UTR winner, dammit!!! THEY ARE BORING!!! At this point, I'd prefer a Monica win to a Natalie win; Monica is a lazy dumbass, but at least we've seen some sign of her trying to play. We had the Bob come-out-of-nowhere edit, why can't we have an OTT-Russell-wins edit? Still don't know why she is UTR...5 votes at last TC shows she is in somebody's radar. Danni also had the advantage of being against StephMe and all the mistakes StephMe made. Still feel Nat can win against anybody in her alliance and that includes ShamboFella and FloppyFincher. Russell won't get enough votes; ShamboFella and FF made big moves but Galu jury doesn't seem type to forgive and forget - that would be too Christian. Mick & Jaison might make big moves to reach endgame but I suspect Jury Galuans will give Natalie credit for the game changing move.
Hippochinfat		#88	[-]
Posts: 370 (11/29/09 02:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	They waited until episode 4 to introduce Natalie, all winners except Tina (Which was done intentionally to hide the winner, and it was S2) have been introduced in a confessional some way.
SuperJude		#89	[-]
Posts: 15301 (11/29/09 02:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	At this point I feel safe in saying Brett, Danger Dave, John cannot possibly win. After them I'd have to think Monica is toast, though she could be the darkhorse/underdog. Shamu, I simply can't see her bumbling her way to the endgame, she's a classic throwaway but with this bunch, who knows. So basically I'm willing to accept Russell, Mick, Jaison, Natalie, Monica as possible winners. Comparing them, Russell clearly has been the biggest strategist and Monica would clearly be the biggest underdog, possible jury fave. Mick...has done nothing to offend anybody, which troubles me with this pussy ass emotional cast. Jaison, calling out John, maybe but it seems everybody also likes Jaison who has not offended anybody. Natalie getting votes and all the random face time (turning the girls on Erik, the rat sequence) is suddenly on the map so how does she stack up in the minds of the jury against say, Russell and Monica or Mick and Jaison? Not badly I think. -SJ™
JPOz		#90	[-]
Posts: 86 (11/29/09 02:55 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Viva la removeaducion! Remove this ad Hippochinfat wrote: They waited until episode 4 to introduce Natalie, all winners except Tina (Which was done intentionally to hide the winner, and it was S2) have been introduced in a confessional some way. Didn't the recrap show Russell and Natalie talking on the beach in first episode. They may not have given her confessional to ep 4 because that was the first time she made it clear she wasn't simply following.
Mypoody2		#91	[-]
Posts: 10680 (11/29/09 03:03 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	When did this forum turn into Edgic?!
WylDawg		#92	[-]
Posts: 21101 (11/29/09 03:07 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'd this point I'd have to say: Russell: Very possible (shoved down our throats) Natalie: Very possible (Russell's puppet has the last laugh story arch) Jaison: Possible (Poor edit during pre-merge) Mick: Possible (At first he was a shoe-in but is becoming less and less relevant with each passing episode) Monica: Neutral (She hasn't done anything that screams "winner" but also hasn't done anything to be ruled out) Dave: Unlikely (Somewhat comical, but nothing else there) John: Unlikely (Has been shown as a gamer as of late, but I'd be more tempted to say his time is up more than anything) Shambo: Impossible (Maybe a very, very distant off-chance, but I just don't see it happening. She's the Rupert of the season) Brett: Impossible (You have to exist in order to win...)
MultiGeminii		#93	[-]
Posts: 2034 (11/29/09 04:47 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Beefcake wrote: No, they voted for Natalie because they thought she was the least likely to have the HII, because she was the only FF who didn't look for it. They weren't afraid of her; they figured she was weakest and the easiest to take out. Natalie is a sweetheart, no question. And she might win. But if she does, it will be even more depressing than Bob winning. WHAT? omg NOTHING will ever be worse than Bob winning. Natalie was pivotal in the Erik vote and one of the first scenes in the recap Probst stated she flipped the game with her ability to work with the Galu women. That plus all the Russell thinking he's owning her confessionals make me think she wins or at least comes close in votes, and it is not a Bob situation where the bitter alliance sides with their do-nothing friend. Personally I'd be happy with Natalie OR Russell winning. They are both deserving. eta: I went back and read more of the thread :p and I dont think this is a Danni situation either. Enough fans have been given reason to believe Natalie wins on social play, some minor strategy, and confessionals from others. Where was that with Danni? Her win was a complete blindside to most people. Do I think some of the Galu might vote for Natalie because she is not Russell? eh, mayybe. But they will vote for her over Jaison or Mick because she has had the social connection that Danni never really had. Plus had Guatemala been a F3 scenario, no way Danni would have beat Rafe, and maybe not even Lydia. Last Edited By: MultiGeminii 11/29/09 04:54 PM. Edited 1 times.
TroubleInTampa		#94	[-]
Posts: 6061 (11/29/09 06:23 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	This thread is a red herring. Natalie is so going to win.
Hippochinfat		#95	[-]
Posts: 371 (11/29/09 06:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JPOz wrote: Hippochinfat wrote: They waited until episode 4 to introduce Natalie, all winners except Tina (Which was done intentionally to hide the winner, and it was S2) have been introduced in a confessional some way. Didn't the recrap show Russell and Natalie talking on the beach in first episode. They may not have given her confessional to ep 4 because that was the first time she made it clear she wasn't simply following. They could have given her ANY kind of confessional you dumb shit. Every winner has had a confessional to introduce them. If she won they wouldn't wait to episode 4. This is about editing, not about what was going on.
DS0816		#96	[-]
Posts: 29 (11/29/09 06:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Natalie will win. Russell referring to her at the beginning as an even dumber blond than Ashley is great edit. Nat initiating with Galu gals Laura and Kelly to oust Erik was the game-changer, one that Russell did not see coming (and even said so in that episode). Mick and Jaison will be targeted beforehand, by Russell, and this is even more beneficial to the not-so-dumb blond from Arkansas.
Mister Plum		#97	[-]
Posts: 8048 (11/29/09 08:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	TroubleInTampa wrote: This thread is a red herring. Natalie is so going to win. Unfortunately, you might be true. Ghoul is foreshadowing Natalie's win. D:
spyzsrvvrcharmd		#98	[-]
Posts: 1789 (11/29/09 09:18 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I have no qualms with a Natalie win. She, aside from Russell, is more deserving than the rest.
Surfing Hippo in Trouble		#99	[-]
Posts: 1901 (11/29/09 10:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Beefcake wrote: But Danni was shown to be more involved in the strategy. With Natalie, we've gotten repeated scenes of her saying she is just following Russell. Not pretending to follow him or playing him, but just following him. If she's the winner, by now we should have seen some kind of foreshadowing of her taking down Russell, or even of her saying she wants to go to FTC with Russell because she thinks everyone will hate him. If we get some kind of confessional from her like that, then I think she wins. Here's the thing though. Natalie really hasn't done anything very strategic. But the one thing that she did have a hand in (Erik), was shoved down our throats. Every "Previously..." that involved Erik leaving said something along the lines of "Natalie set the plan in motion..." and gave her all the credit. Also the rat killing scene gives me hope that they are trying to show her growth through the game
caseydillas		#100	[-]
Posts: 77 (11/29/09 10:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Viva la removeaducion! Remove this ad There's still time for Russell to get voted out and for Natalie to come into her own. (Natalie's from the South where they routinely come into their own.) Last Edited By: caseydillas 11/29/09 10:07 PM. Edited 2 times.

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Natalie Won.. oh well, I was wrong.. WORST WINNER EVER!!!!