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sddorme.idolnoise |
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^ And that Russell isn't such a camerawhore.
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perrykent |
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Its easier to understand Parvati being in S20 because of her game in S16 than she being in S16 because of her game in S13.
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sddorme.idolnoise |
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perrykent wrote:That's completely true, but I just think Parv deserved S16 because of S13 too. |
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Jedijake |
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No-wrong. Parvati did not get onto S16 because of her performance in S13. She got on to be another Amber and succeeded (but played better than Amber did).
She did get onto S20 because of her performance in S16 though. Nobody should be disputing whether she deserves a slot on S20. She definitely does-no question asked. (despite whether we want her to win or not) |
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twisted1982 |
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ssseeeaaann wrote:Maybe Courtney was voted out by the Villains because she was very close to JT, after all isn't she dating JT's Toncantins BFF Stepehen? RE: JT What if in everyone's attempt to flush the idols, the votes were split 3-3-4? Or even more amazing 5-4-1? And JT gets idol'ed by the two HII? |
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Chinchilla23 |
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Parvati was out on day 3 in Micronesia if JFP doesn't quit the game or if he gets to that idol before Yau-man. Fairplay wanted Parv out first, then he was going to stab Penner and Yau-man in the back and form a 5 alliance with Ozzy/Eliza/Ami/Amanda. In his post elimination interviews it became clear he and Ozzy were very close, apparently they got emotional right before tribal council with Ozzy pleading for him not to leave. No one really cared about Parvati according to Fairplay, he was going to vote her out and then tell Ozzy he just needed to break the power 4 because they were too strong. Whether Ozzy would have taken him up on his proposed alliance is anyone's guess. Ironically Ozzy might have felt betrayed because of losing Parvati and voted out Jonny next tribal council. The point is luck plays a huge role in this game, a game which is really not all that difficult strategically. The mental and physical difficulty comes from depletion of energy due to lack of food, rough environment, etc. Parvati has not impressed me with her game thus far despite being a winner. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize, hey maybe us weak girls should all get together and take out the strong guys when we merge. Yeah that's real genius play, any moron could figure that out. I am impressed so far with what i'm hearing about her gameplay in S20. Is she the greatest player of all time if she wins twice? No. Neither is Sandra for that matter. Best player isn't necessarily the person who wins. Sandra attributed her first win to 95 percent luck, and Parvati only took over the game after getting lucky on day 3 with Fairplay's meltdown. The overall best player of all time has to be Boston Rob. Entertaining, abrasive at times, manipulative, great liar, seduced the women, great at challenges, excellent worker around camp when motivated (he caught fish, built the shelter, etc.) funny confessionals. The guy is the total package player. Owned all stars (who cares who wins, winning the jury is completely arbitrary. How the hell can you know what they are thinking and will respect?) The one guy who may prove to be a better player is actually Russell, but lets wait and see what exactly happens on S20.
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AmightyRo |
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Chinchilla23 wrote:
We know Cirie would not have wanted a tie vote because she didn't want to draw rocks, but perhaps some on Jonathan's side wouldn't have wanted to risk a tie either and jumped ship on their original gameplan--we saw Eliza do that when she realized the votes were most likely going to take out YM. So I wouldn't 100% count Parv out on Day 3 had Fairplay never quit. |
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JLK Name |
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I like Parvati but damn!
she's not that legendary! she's a good strategic player but I don't think her personality is just that awesome! everybody can flirt... I do believe Parvati got in to S16 because she's a fan fav (third out of 20 ppl in S13) she was favorite during that season but she wasn't just too awesome in S13 |
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Kirblar |
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AmightyRo wrote:Parv was toast if he didn't quit- Cirie/JFP were the swing votes and Cirie was initially allied with Jon/Yau. |
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Chinchilla23 |
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Yes Cirie would have voted Parvati out on day three. At that point she was playing with the Sandra "anyone as long as it's not me" strategy. She would never risk a rock scenario that early. I understand your point about Eliza potentially flipping but on day 3 Cirie was very much in an alliance with Yau-Man. In fact early in the game she gave Yau-man the clues about where to find the idol on Exile (indicating Yau-man was her closest ally). Yau-man betrayed her trust by telling Jonathan this info that Cirie wanted to keep confidential between the two of them, and she felt betrayed by Yau-man which is why she demanded he go on day 9. Parvati was a goner but Fairplay saved her ass with his quit. Don't forget Jonny was very hurt at this time (body slammed by Bonaduce a week before filming started). When Yau-man slammed his head into the boat he was in a great deal of pain that never got aired. Jonny was going to stab Penner and Yau in the back after the Parvati ousting because he didn't like them personally, he said they were all business. But he liked Ozzy, Eliza and Ami personally. Amanda or Cirie would have come along for the ride as the 5th person, I'm guessing amanda because of her relationship with Ozzy. Of course had this alliance worked out I do not believe Fairplay would have made even the merge. The tribal swap would have screwed him big time and unless he ended up with numbers he was out. An alliance of 5 is not big with 14 players left, the odds of him ending up on a 7 person tribe with a 4-3 advantage is minimal. The reason I don't consider JFP a great player is because although his strategy game is good, his social game hurts him because he is a jackass (on purpose) and rubs too many people the wrong way. He is also a bad physical player. Parvati is a good social player, good at strategy, but not outstanding at either and a bad physical player. What I've seen so far is Boston Rob and Russell are good social players, great at strategy and very good physical players. That is how you outwit, outplay and outlast. If Russell pulls off the win at Samoa he passes Rob but I don't think he will based on spoilers. JFP is also too cocky in that he doesn't realize the outcast twist in S7 is directly responsible for his great finish. If the tribes merge at 10 without the outcast twist, Lill isn't there to flip. Rupert/Sandra/Christa only voted Sean out over Jon because they feared a re-teaming of Burton and Sean. Again the Balboa tribe would have been Rupert, Sandra, Christa, Jon, Sean, Savage, Osten, Ryno, Darrah, Tijuana. Rupert and Savage would have done a 6 person alliance rather than risk their own necks at a tie. The alliance was going to be Rupert/Christa/Sandra/Savage/Ryno/Tijuana. Jon would have been out at 10. He is the most entertaining villian of all time, but an overrated player. |
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val.kellyclarksonex... |
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Why is it that you know EXACTLY S16 outcome if JFP hadn't quit? It's just speculation and your basing on quotes he made PLEASE Tell me: what happened when him and Trish decided to vote out Ruppert in S7? SO I'm going to speculate too on this one. Parvati would've made big moves to save herself and oust JFP ..you see it's so easy to speculate |
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GrenadeJumper85 |
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Uh, I think it was pretty obvious that Parvati was gone if JFP hadn't have started that "I Quit" nonsense.
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Chinchilla23 |
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yeah I'm def a JFP whore that's why I called the guy's gameplay overrated. Why don't you try reading the entire comment before posting back. What I said is not speculation, it's what came out of Fairplay's mouth after the game. It was clear the alliances were 4 vs. 4 with JFP and Cirie in the middle. Whatever Fairplay wants to happen happens because at this point Cirie's game was anybody but me. She actually says these words on the first show and it was confirmed she had an initial strong allaince with Yau man before he betrayed her trust with Penner. That's why Penner was so mad at her, because they had the inital alliance until Cirie realized how close Penner and Yau man had become and she went to Amanda and Parvati and they made their F3 pact. |
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GrenadeJumper85 |
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Exactly. Cirie was initially alligned with Yau-man and by extension Jonathan/Ami/Eliza/JFP. When Cirie came back from her first trip to Exile Island she shared the clue to the HII with Yau-Man and they devised a plan to send Yau-Man to exile so he could find the idol the next round. Only Yau backstabbed Cirie and shared the clue with Jonathan then tried to get the Fave's to send Jonathan to exile to find that idol. That's when Cirie said screw it and went to the couples alliance. So yea, initially, Parvati would have been voted out. |
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craig |
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Only thing is, Fairplay said it AFTER he saw Parv play a brilliant game and win. Kind of self-aggrandizing to boast "oh yeah I would have taken out the winner if I stayed. Then I'd have joined her alliance and targeted Penner\YM, just like Cirie did." JFP wasn't there to play - end of story. |
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chapera rocks |
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Even if he wasn't there to play (which you don't know), the players didn't know that until he pulled that stunt. And every piece of evidence out
there supports Fairplay voting Parvati at tribal council, INCLUDING what was shown in episode 1. And Parvati had no clue, she thought she was safe.
Not only that, but the couples didn't have Cirie on their side until day 7 or so, when Yau-Man inadvertently fucked up. No thanks to Parvati. Yes, she played a great game, but lets not get delusional here. |
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Maximus20 |
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You know....I was thinking. For me personally.
I can't think of any scenarios that would make JT dumber then Erik. Im sorry....I just cant lol. So lets look at some scenario's Keep in mind, the individual immunity neckless. is Guranteed protection. Its not like the idol, when you have to play it, its Guranteed protection....thats what he gave up. He gave up Guranteed protection and put his trust in somone else. He did this despite the fact he was the only guy left, and saw evidence that the women where voting off the men
So keeping that in mind the only thing that would make him ATLEAST as dumb as Erik, is giving up individual immunity. IF the blunder is ONLY with a HII, I wouldnt call it dumber.
Scenario 1: JT falls for a complicaited plan that involves him giving up his immunity. IS he dumber?? no. He's AS Dumb...because this is exactly what Erik did. He gave it up in order to work a plan
Scenario 2: JT gives away his necklass in exchange for a (Fake) hidden idol.
Is this dumber?? No. Because..even though the idol is fake. JT doesnt know. He's actually making a smarter move, becuase atleast hes given up the necklass in ex-change for MORE protection.(or so he thinks) Erik gave it up , and didnt receive any thing except to "hope" theyd vote with him. JT gives up his immunity necklass, in exchange for a fake idol, and 2 real ones are played. ^This would be a great move.....but again, does this make his blunder dumber then Erik's?? I still dont think so. Right the votes are 5, 5. Crazy steps HAVE to be taken. And one could argue, he would not have given it up, if not for the idol. While Erik gave it up for nothing. So...yeah me personally, I cant think of any scenario where JT would be dumber. Maybe AS dumb, but not dumber. NOTHING will ever be as dumber is giving away 100% protection, while your the last standing in a group of enemies. I might eat my words when I see how it goes down...but...I just cant see anything beating Erik's blunder. Only equaling it.
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Chinchilla23 |
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I will credit Parvati for obviously continuing to improve her game the more she plays. I think the credit people were giving her after S16 was arguably not
deserved, however her S20 performance establishes her as probably the greatest female to play the game. That doesn't mean she cracks the top five list of
best players. I'd rank Russell, Rob M., Rob C., Brian, and Rich Hatch above her.
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GrenadeJumper85 |
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craig wrote: Oh you need to just stop. You are now becoming a parody! |
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ilovekelly752 |
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Posts: 488 (12/03/09 02:54 PM) |
Chinchilla23 wrote: If she wins, I don't see anyone ever replacing her as the greatest player of all time, male or female. After S16, I'd already put her ahead of all the guys you named, since she won, unlike the Robs, and probably Russell, and she had to do a lot more to win than Brian and Richard. They had the easiest time out of all of the winners. |
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