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Will		#1481	[-]
Posts: 35932 (12/04/09 05:08 PM) Amazing Race Moderator More Recent Posts	Everyone is gifted. Some open the package sooner. Remove this ad Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: At the end of the day, your "flawless" Cirie lost, and Vecepia won. I can not give a bigger to your idea that a loser could be better than an established winner.
Lexxan		#1482	[-]
Posts: 500 (12/04/09 05:16 PM) More Recent Posts	dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: At the end of the day, your "flawless" Cirie lost, and Vecepia won. I can not give a bigger to your idea that a loser could be better than an established winner. So Vee's a better player than Cirie because she won? So Bob's a better player than Sugar because he won? So Jenna's a better player than Cesternino, because she won? So Amber's a better player than Boston Rob, because she won? So Aras's a better player than Terry, because he won? So Tom's a better player than Stephenie, because he won? Don't be ridonkulous, dude.
Mikester		#1483	[-]
Posts: 7954 (12/04/09 05:26 PM) More Recent Posts	omg did I bring Serena back to life??? Serena <33 Thank you for showing me the errors of my racist, racist ways <33
Mikester		#1484	[-]
Posts: 7955 (12/04/09 05:28 PM) More Recent Posts	SSerenaSSS wrote: Joaqenix wrote: Mikester wrote: People "overlook" Vecepia and Earl because they were boring, not because they're black. Mikester speaking the truth as always and educating all <3 Earl got as much airtime as any winner with the exception of probably Sandra and Richard Hatch. So, what are you guys talking about? Obviously we don't know what we're talking about because we were blinded by our ignorance Now that you're here I see that Vecepia and Earl really WERE two of the most entertaining/best winners in the history of the show and the only reason I didn't see that before was because I was unconsciously racist. <3 Serena and her wisdom <3
Maximus20		#1485	[-]
Posts: 352 (12/04/09 05:41 PM) More Recent Posts	Lexxan wrote: dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote: At the end of the day, your "flawless" Cirie lost, and Vecepia won. I can not give a bigger to your idea that a loser could be better than an established winner. So Vee's a better player than Cirie because she won? So Bob's a better player than Sugar because he won? So Jenna's a better player than Cesternino, because she won? So Amber's a better player than Boston Rob, because she won? So Aras's a better player than Terry, because he won? So Tom's a better player than Stephenie, because he won? Don't be ridonkulous, dude. ?? umm if we're only talking about individual seasons, im going to say yes. The strategies in this game are numerous, from coat tale riding, to controlling people, to social gameplay, to being good at challenges. The winners all proved they where better at other players, by doing this. Bob was able to convince Sugar to play for him using social gameplay. Jenna was better at challenges and thus made it to the end. Amber was better at socia gameplay(not pissing people off) Aras was better at social gameplay/not being a massive threat. Tom is better because of social and physical gameplay. The only one I can say you can't compare fairly is V and Cirie because they where never in the same season. But the fact that V, in one try, did somthing Cirie couldn't do twice, makes me think V really is a better player. The sole survivor is the player that came in 1st. Therefore, they are better players than those they defeated. We may not agree with their method(Coat-tale riding in some caises), but the very fact that they won means they are better players.(Atleast in that season)
Will		#1486	[-]
Posts: 35936 (12/04/09 05:46 PM) Amazing Race Moderator More Recent Posts	SSerenaSSS wrote: Will, are you ready for SANDRA DOMINATION in S20. The thing is, Sandra won her season on her first try. It took Parvati twice to do it. Of course! It looked rough for her the first time and she pulled through and it looks like she did it again. <3 <3 <3 I can't wait to hear her utter first swear on the show.
val.kellyclarksonex...		#1487	[-]
Posts: 231 (12/04/09 05:57 PM) More Recent Posts	Will, are you ready for SANDRA DOMINATION in S20. The thing is, Sandra won her season on her first try. It took Parvati twice to do it. oh that makes Sandra perfect? and Parvati a complete idiot? at you
Jho		#1488	[-]
Posts: 451 (12/04/09 06:18 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	SSerenaSSS wrote: Mikester wrote: omg did I bring Serena back to life??? Serena <33 Thank you for showing me the errors of my racist, racist ways <33 I didn't say you were racist but just alot of people don't like Earl and Vecepia because they are black and sometimes they don't even realize that's the reason. And you do? Wow, you're so smart
Bobby411		#1489	[-]
Posts: 1 (12/04/09 06:23 PM) More Recent Posts	I agree with you, Lexxan. Being a winner in any particular season does not automatically make you the best player. There are too many other variables involved, such as luck. It is like a poker tournament, just because you win, does not mean you were the best player or even played the best game that one particular time. Just because a person's actions led to a win does not mean they outplayed those who lost. When you talk about the best player you should talk about who made the best and most correct moves given the specific situation. The consequences of these moves are irrelevant, since no one can predict exactly what will happen. Again, as in poker, the best players are those who make the correct play given a particular situation and taking in consideration all of the known information. They do not know exactly what will happen. In Survivor, I would say that the best player is the one who will make the correct play that will work in his or her favor the majority of the time. Perhaps in a particular season, someone made a great move but it backfired, while someone else who made a terrible move benefited from it. If this same move were made over and over again in different seasons, the better player would benefit more often than the worse player. When considering the best player, you should really look at the players before the end result. If you know the final 3 in a season, but you do not yet know who wins, does this mean that you cannot say who the best player was until months later when the votes are read? I feel like you should still be able to say that player A outplayed players B and C. For months you would say that player A played the best game out there. But then, after the live reunion, player C, who did nothing to earn his spot, pulls of a surprising win and is all of a sudden the better player? Maybe player C wanted to quit and tried to get himself voted off every episode and played the worst game in survivor history, and was only there because B and C dragged him along. Maybe player C slipped into a coma for half of the season and that was the reason why he wasn't voted off. You would walk away saying that A played the best game, and that C played a horrible game. You would not change this opinion after the votes were read. So yeah, I agree with Lexxan. Winning does not automatically mean you played the best game.
survivorready		#1490	[-]
Posts: 521 (12/04/09 06:49 PM) More Recent Posts	Everyone is gifted. Some open the package sooner. Remove this ad SSerenaSSS wrote: Mikester wrote: GrenadeJumper85 wrote: You're joking right? Don't kid yourself, Parvati was good in Micronesia but I don't think she's even on the same plane as Rich, Brian, Tina, Vee, Todd, & Tom. Remember, it did take her two chances to win, when the ones I listed below played awesome games and one their first tries. : And then 3 of those 6 lost on their second tries Vecepia, Tina, and Todd are nothing special. Vecepia, Tina and Todd won on their first tries. Partwati lost her original season, got outplayed, and the likes of Becky and Sundra beat her. Vecepia, Tina and Todd were able to implement their strategies and win the 1st time unlike Partwati. BESIDES, PARTWATI WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE FIRST IF IT WASN'T FOR JFP QUITTING AND CIRIE ALREADY SAID DIDN'T WANT A TIE ON HER MYSPLACE BLOG SO PARTWATI WOULD BE GONE. ALSO, PARTWATI WAS LUCKY JOHNATHAN HAD TO QUIT, BECAUSE HE WAS AFTER HER FIRST, AND SHE WAS ALSO LUCKY THE PRODUCERS HAD TO CHANGE IT TO A F2 AT THE LAST MINUTE BECAUSE OF THE INJURIES. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. You know what? the argument that Parvati won because JFP quit is the most ridiculous thing I have heard. A lot of factors contributed to Parvati winning, not just this. Just like a lot of factors went into other people winning. Like maybe Sandra won because Osten quit. Inevitably, everything that takes place in the game that leads up to Day 39 affects the outcome --- whether or not the winner had something to do with that directly or indirectly. There are certainly better players among winners. I would say that Tina and Rich are better winners than Parvati. But that doesn't discount the fact that Parvati still won her season and that she was a good player. And she didn't pull an Amber, who won because the Jury was upset at the person sitting next to her. She won b/c the jury thought she played a better game. I think what Tina said at the her finale was very true: luck is a big factor in the game. And people have to accept that.
chapera rocks		#1491	[-]
Posts: 12148 (12/04/09 07:38 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	Fairplay quitting didn't allow Parvati to win. It just prevented her from losing. Osten quitting didn't directly improve Sandra's game. There's no direct connection there. Fairplay quitting benefited Parvati directly, the most, as she was going home that night. That is the difference. Now, she's not the only one who's benefited from an unlikely scenario. For example, Tina and Ogakor benefited from Michael leaving. However, at least Tina was not at an advantage over Jerri, Keith, Colby, or Amber. In addition, Parvati's luck with Fairplay (which in itself is very unlikely because how many times will a returning player, who lasted a long time in the game the first go around, quit within three days?) she had luck with Jonathan and James; both scenarios directly improved Parvati's odds moreso than any other player in the game. To have that much luck makes her a very lucky winner. And that doesn't make her a terrible winner, it just makes her a lucky one. Yes, she played the game very well. But it's like she had three get out of jail free cards compared to everyone else. Just as Yul got very lucky. Honestly, I consider them both great winners. But 99% of the time they would have lose those seasons.
survivorready		#1492	[-]
Posts: 522 (12/04/09 07:47 PM) More Recent Posts	chapera rocks wrote: Fairplay quitting didn't allow Parvati to win. It just prevented her from losing. Osten quitting didn't directly improve Sandra's game. There's no direct connection there. Fairplay quitting benefited Parvati directly, the most, as she was going home that night. That is the difference. Now, she's not the only one who's benefited from an unlikely scenario. For example, Tina and Ogakor benefited from Michael leaving. However, at least Tina was not at an advantage over Jerri, Keith, Colby, or Amber. In addition, Parvati's luck with Fairplay (which in itself is very unlikely because how many times will a returning player, who lasted a long time in the game the first go around, quit within three days?) she had luck with Jonathan and James; both scenarios directly improved Parvati's odds moreso than any other player in the game. To have that much luck makes her a very lucky winner. And that doesn't make her a terrible winner, it just makes her a lucky one. Yes, she played the game very well. But it's like she had three get out of jail free cards compared to everyone else. Just as Yul got very lucky. Honestly, I consider them both great winners. But 99% of the time they would have lose those seasons. I agree with you to a point on the James/Jonathan thing, but I just feel that some people here would not be saying the same thing if Cirie would have won. I am just saying that there are a lot of haters here who will just not even admit that Parvati played a good game. And their main point is that JFP quit. And I feel that even if Parvati plays a good game next season, they will still find a way to make her totally useless.
Will		#1493	[-]
Posts: 35948 (12/04/09 08:13 PM) Amazing Race Moderator More Recent Posts	survivorready wrote: I agree with you to a point on the James/Jonathan thing, but I just feel that some people here would not be saying the same thing if Cirie would have won. I am just saying that there are a lot of haters here who will just not even admit that Parvati played a good game. And their main point is that JFP quit. And I feel that even if Parvati plays a good game next season, they will still find a way to make her totally useless. You can't please all the people all the time. Sucks is no different.
chapera rocks		#1494	[-]
Posts: 12151 (12/04/09 08:54 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	survivorready wrote: chapera rocks wrote: Fairplay quitting didn't allow Parvati to win. It just prevented her from losing. Osten quitting didn't directly improve Sandra's game. There's no direct connection there. Fairplay quitting benefited Parvati directly, the most, as she was going home that night. That is the difference. Now, she's not the only one who's benefited from an unlikely scenario. For example, Tina and Ogakor benefited from Michael leaving. However, at least Tina was not at an advantage over Jerri, Keith, Colby, or Amber. In addition, Parvati's luck with Fairplay (which in itself is very unlikely because how many times will a returning player, who lasted a long time in the game the first go around, quit within three days?) she had luck with Jonathan and James; both scenarios directly improved Parvati's odds moreso than any other player in the game. To have that much luck makes her a very lucky winner. And that doesn't make her a terrible winner, it just makes her a lucky one. Yes, she played the game very well. But it's like she had three get out of jail free cards compared to everyone else. Just as Yul got very lucky. Honestly, I consider them both great winners. But 99% of the time they would have lose those seasons. I agree with you to a point on the James/Jonathan thing, but I just feel that some people here would not be saying the same thing if Cirie would have won. I am just saying that there are a lot of haters here who will just not even admit that Parvati played a good game. And their main point is that JFP quit. And I feel that even if Parvati plays a good game next season, they will still find a way to make her totally useless. But this has nothing to do with Cirie. We're talking about Parv here. Yeah, she played the game, but there's a strong case that she's had more luck go her way than any other winner in survivor history. She still played a good game, but like I said, three get out of jail free cards does diminish her game a bit. However, to be a winner and make the final 3 again is a huge accomplishment, so good on her; she cements her position as a great player. And if people attribute that to luck, well, shouldn't you cross that bridge when you get there? :)
Katy Carney		#1495	[-]
Posts: 9546 (12/04/09 09:04 PM) More Recent Posts	lol at people clinging to the JFP thing. He was always going to quit. There was never any "I almost voted Parvati but quit". His entire presence on the show was a scam to get the sequester money. I mean...yeah, if JFP had voted with five other people in the first tribal council, Parvati would have gone home. If Cirie voted with four other people against Parvati in the second tribal council, Parvati would have gone home. I mean...duh. If people made totally different decisions than they made, different things would have happened. What a stupid argument. I won't even get into the Jonathan and James "luck" because that's just factually untrue so...
roxbury123		#1496	[-]
Posts: 646 (12/04/09 09:06 PM) More Recent Posts	I already said in my original post, there was no effect on Cirie of anyone quitting. So NO the same thing would not have been said for Cirie. The facts are people here think Parviti is this great winner and i want proof. Show me ,how other than being BFF's with the casting director makes her a good player? Ill say this again AT LEAST AMBER GOT HERSELF CASTED!
val.kellyclarksonex...		#1497	[-]
Posts: 232 (12/04/09 09:16 PM) More Recent Posts	roxbury123 wrote: I already said in my original post, there was no effect on Cirie of anyone quitting. So NO the same thing would not have been said for Cirie. The facts are people here think Parviti is this great winner and i want proof. Show me ,how other than being BFF's with the casting director makes her a good player? Ill say this again AT LEAST AMBER GOT HERSELF CASTED! ok so now she's not even a good player keep the hate coming!!! It's all about her all the time ; ) PARVATI <3
ilovekelly752		#1498	[-]
Posts: 498 (12/04/09 09:22 PM) More Recent Posts	chapera rocks wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: Maximus20 wrote: Todd...my personal favourite winner. Was lucky too. I know and accept that. He was damn lucky James didnt play his idol. He was damn lucky Peih-Gee couldn't flip Denise. Actually, He was damn Lucky Denise or Amanda didnt flip in general. Yeah, but he had to talk those people into not doing those things. .... He didn't even know how seriously Amanda was considering turning on him. He was unaware of his position within the tribe for the latter half of the game. In the final four he was seriously campaigning to her for like, the whole time. It wasn't the same for the final five episode, but she did stick to him because he had her convinced that she should stick to the deal he approached her with on day 1.
chapera rocks		#1499	[-]
Posts: 12154 (12/04/09 09:28 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	ilovekelly752 wrote: chapera rocks wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: Maximus20 wrote: Todd...my personal favourite winner. Was lucky too. I know and accept that. He was damn lucky James didnt play his idol. He was damn lucky Peih-Gee couldn't flip Denise. Actually, He was damn Lucky Denise or Amanda didnt flip in general. Yeah, but he had to talk those people into not doing those things. .... He didn't even know how seriously Amanda was considering turning on him. He was unaware of his position within the tribe for the latter half of the game. In the final four he was seriously campaigning to her for like, the whole time. It wasn't the same for the final five episode, but she did stick to him because he had her convinced that she should stick to the deal he approached her with on day 1. No, she stuck with him because she thought the jury would be bitter. Peih-Gee was the underdog and she thought Denise was too likable. When asked on sucks if he knew how much Amanda wanted to flip, Todd said no.
ilovekelly752		#1500	[-]
Posts: 499 (12/04/09 09:28 PM) More Recent Posts	Everyone is gifted. Some open the package sooner. Remove this ad chapera rocks wrote: Maybe Alexis said that, but did Jason and Erik say that, or are you just guessing? Like you said with Cirie, she would not vote to force a tie, so basically whoever JFP voted out was who Cirie was voting out, and JFP was totally against Yau-Man for the thing with the boat. He said he was voting Yau-Man out the first chance he got. He wouldn't have been able to do that if Parvati was out. Everything that aired pointed to him being against Yau-Man's alliance. Nothing specific pointed to him going against Parvati, other than him saying it after she already won. Wait, so we should trust you instead of trust what Fairplay said himself? Fairplay was voting out Parvati, there's no question about that. Evidence from interviews AND the show have suggested as much. What in the show suggested he was against JAYE? Nothing. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. He never said he'd vote out Yau the second he could. They also didn't show how they bonded and how Yau gave him fatherly advice. And Jason said the best players were Parvati and Cirie. I think Erik was an Amanda vote, but Jason seemed like he'd be a Cirie vote. I can't say for sure, but between him saying she played a great game and his friendship with Eliza, it seems highly probable. I never said trust me over him. I said that I trust what he said on the show rather than what he said after she made it to the end. I believe Jon's words about Yau-Man were "Once that idol's gone, you're out of here." I may be wrong though, but it was to that effect. He later tried to say that he would've voted out Parvati, and then tried to shift to Ozzy's side and do damage control, and try to get Yau-Man out, but again, it was after Parvati made it to the end.

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