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PAPAYOKE |
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Evil, evil, evil that whats-his-face made sure the executioner was good and drunk.
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aanvari3 |
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Is this show any good? Maybe i'll buy the first season boxset if its good.
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TV MA LSV |
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It is not historically accurate (timelines and gorgeous actors and whatnot) but it is compelling.
I saw a quote from the showrunner once where he said that Showtime didn't ask him to produce a documentary, but to make entertainment. It is certainly entertaining. |
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Xhosa1980 |
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PAPAYOKE wrote: Yeah, I still don't know the useless character with the eye patch, Francis whatshisface.� Cromwell had it coming but I'm glad Hirst didn't go for the explicit execution scene this time.� If HBO produced this series they would have had no problem at all (scenes from Elizabeth I produced by HBO) |
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McWolcott |
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Info on the "guy with the eyepatch" who was very important to Henry.
SIR FRANCIS BRYAN* (d. 1550), poet, translator, soldier, and diplomatist, was the son of Sir
Thomas Bryan, and grandson of Sir Thomas Bryan, chief justice of the common pleas from
1471 till his death in 1500. His father was knighted by Henry VII in 1497, was 'knight of
the body' at the opening of Henry VIII's reign, and repeatedly served on the commission of the
peace for Buckinghamshire, where the family property was settled. Francis Bryan's mother was Margaret, daughter of Humphry Bourchier, and sister of John
Bourchier, lord Berners. Lady Bryan was for a time governess to the princesses Mary and
Elizabeth, and died in 1551-2. Anne Boleyn is stated to have been his cousin; but we have been unable
to discover the exact genealogical connection.1
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ginaf20697 |
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The Cromwell stuff was very good but the Katherine Howard stuff was ridiculous. If she was such a whore to begin with what reason would he have to marry her?
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Anne Boleyn |
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Evil Jungle Princess wrote: I wonder if the actor was unavailable or too expensive. He was the one responsible for bringing Catherine Howard to Court, not Sir Francis and certainly not the Seymours. He played a bigger part in the Pilgrimage of Grace than Brandon did. I agree they are making Catherine more whoorish than she may have been. Henry thought of her as his Rose without a Thorn. He thought she was young and innocent which is why he was so devastated when the Thomas Culpepper/Derenham stuff came out. He really belived that a 17 year old virgin would fall hard for him and this was during his fat stinky stage. |
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TV MA LSV |
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ginaf20697 wrote: Well now, if you are in the "fat stinky stage" of your life, would you refuse the invitation of a 17yo sexy babe? I am perfectly clear in the knowledge that I would. I am above such human desires. But maybe our Henry isn't. I'm just saying... |
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Kym |
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Xhosa1980 wrote: I am behind on this cuz I got distracted and was bored with it this season . But gawddayumm !! That had to hurt . |
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porkfriedrice |
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The season went by so fast. I liked the last episode, but not as much as last season with AB. This one felt slightly rushed. To those who know the
details, I'm curious, is the Mary story accurate? Was there a german guy who messed her up enough to become bloody Mary? Was TC's death so brutal or
was that more creative license?
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lilbitofchaos |
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porkfriedrice wrote: Childhood and early yearsMary was the only child of Henry VIII and his first wife Catherine of Aragon to survive infancy. Her mother had many miscarriages and a stillborn sister and three short-lived brothers, including Henry, Duke of Cornwall, had preceded her. Through her mother, she was a granddaughter of Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile. She was born at the Palace of Placentia in Greenwich, London. She was baptised with Thomas Cardinal Wolsey standing as her godfather. Mary was a sickly child who had poor eyesight, sinus conditions and bad headaches. John Hussey, 1st Baron Hussey of Sleaford was her Chamberlain, and his wife, Lady Anne, daughter of George Grey, 2nd Earl of Kent, was one of Mary's attendants.[1] Despite her health problems, Mary was a precocious child. A great part of the credit for her early education likely came from her mother, who consulted the Spanish scholar Juan Luis Vives upon the subject and was Mary's first instructor in Latin. Mary also studied Greek, science, and music. In July 1521, when scarcely five and a half years old, she entertained some visitors with a performance on the virginal (a smaller harpsichord). Henry VIII doted on his daughter and would boast in company, "This girl never cries", and would sometimes show delight in her developing music skills.[2]. When Mary was nine years old, Henry gave her her own court at Ludlow Castle and many of the Royal Prerogatives normally only given to a Prince of Wales, even calling her the Princess of Wales. In 1526, Mary was sent to Wales to preside over the Council of Wales and the Marches. Despite this obvious affection, Henry was deeply disappointed that his marriage had produced no sons. Throughout her childhood Henry negotiated potential marriages for Mary. When she was only two years old she was promised to the Dauphin Francis, son of Francis I, King of France, but after three years, the contract was repudiated. In 1522, she was instead contracted to marry her first cousin, the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, then 22, by the Treaty of Windsor. Within a few years, however, the engagement was broken off. It was then suggested that Mary wed the Dauphin's father Francis I, who was eager for an alliance with England. A marriage treaty was signed which provided that Mary should marry either Francis I or his second son Henry, Duke of Orléans. However, Cardinal Wolsey, Henry VIII's chief adviser, managed to secure an alliance without the marriage. At age 37, Mary turned her attention to finding a husband and producing an heir, thus preventing the Protestant Elizabeth (still her successor under the terms of Henry VIII's will) from succeeding to the throne. Mary rejected Edward Courtenay, 1st Earl of Devon, as a prospect when her cousin Charles V suggested she marry his only son, the Spanish Prince Philip, later Philip II of Spain. It is said that upon viewing the Titian full-length portrait of Philip now in the Prado,[5] which had been sent to her, Mary declared herself to be in love with him.Mary married Philip on 25 July 1554, at Winchester Cathedral. Under the terms of the marriage treaty, Philip was to be styled "King of England", all official documents (including Acts of Parliament) were to be dated with both their names, and Parliament was to be called under the joint authority of the couple. Coins were also to show the heads of both Mary and Philip. The marriage treaty further provided that England would not be obliged to provide military support to Philip's father in any war. Philip's powers, however, were extremely limited, and he and Mary were not true joint sovereigns like William and Mary. Mary enjoyed tremendous popular support and sympathy for her mistreatment during the earliest parts of her reign, especially by the Roman Catholic population.[citation needed] Her marriage to Philip, however, was unpopular among her subjects. The marriage treaty clearly specified that England was not to be drawn into any Spanish wars, but this guarantee proved meaningless. Philip spent most of his time governing his European territories, while his wife usually remained in England. After Mary's death, Philip became a suitor for Elizabeth's hand, but she refused him. The persecution of Protestants earned Mary the appellation "Bloody Mary" from them, although many historians[who?] believe she does not deserve all the blame, and despite the fact that her father Henry VIII and sister Elizabeth executed as many if not more people than she did. There is disagreement as to the number of people put to death during Mary's five-year reign. However, several notable clerics were executed; among them Thomas Cranmer, the former Archbishop of Canterbury; John Rogers, a former colleague of William Tyndale; Nicholas Ridley, the former Bishop of London; and the reformist Hugh Latimer. Mary was prominently featured and vilified in the Book of Martyrs, published by John Foxe in 1562, 5 years after Mary's death. Subsequent editions of the book remained popular with Protestants through the 19th century. |
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McWolcott |
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porkfriedrice wrote:Showtime has already confirmed that next season is the final season. So unless they change their minds, it will end when Henry is dead. |
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Carboys Desire |
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Was TC's death so brutal or was that more creative license?
According to wikipedia he was beheaded on the same day of Henry's marriage to Catherine Howard. And..."After his execution, Cromwell's head was boiled and then set upon a spike on London Bridge, facing away from the City of London. " |
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McWolcott |
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Jonathan Rhys Meyers Arrested After Airport FightUSMagazine, June 24, 2009
Related: Jonathan Rhys Meyers "Tudors" star Jonathan Rhys Meyers was detained for several hours after allegedly punching a waiter in a drunken scuffle at a Paris airport, Agence France Presse reports. The Irish actor was placed in custody on Saturday after the altercation at the Le Quotidien bar in terminal 2F at Charles de Gaulle airport. A server reportedly refused to serve the 31-year-old star, who appeared drunk. After a shouting fight with the bar's manager, another employee tried to separate the pair. Rhys Meyers then allegedly punched the employee. He has been ordered to appear in court in a Paris suburb in September on charges of "willful violence, outrage, hitting and threatening death," a source told the news service. This isn't the Bend It Like Beckham star's first airport scuffle. The star was previously arrested and charged with being drunk and disorderly at Dublin airport in 2007. |
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Carboys Desire |
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Poor JRM. I hope he gets help. I don't wanna seem him die. Or bloated and ugly.
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McWolcott |
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Me too. He went to rehab between season 2 and 3, I guess it didn't take.
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diving4gold |
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ginaf20697 |
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TV MA LSV wrote: Well as I said, fuck her silly but why would you need to marry her? |
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igber |
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I hope they finally fatten him up. He was obese by the time of Jane Seymor.
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Carboys Desire |
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There is a DRESSED TO KILL exhibit at the Tower of Lomdon going on right now and it includes armor (and other stuff I hope) from the various phases od Ed
viii's life. I guess you get a really good idea of how big he was when you see it. I plan on seeing it in the next few days as I am in London for the next
week. I'll shed a tear for Ann at the site of her beheading.
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