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astroline		#4501	[-]
Posts: 2873 (12/06/09 06:57 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Click here to break the ad gravity rule. Remove this ad If Monica was UTR2 in the premiere instead of UTR1, do you think more of us would have been considering her? It's an interesting thought cos I definitely do think Monica has one of the most manipulated edits left.
cantthinkofaname		#4502	[-]
Posts: 1606 (12/06/09 06:59 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	My pick has been Jaison since the merge.
McPhever224		#4503	[-]
Posts: 447 (12/06/09 06:59 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JaimeCat22 wrote: McPhever224 wrote: I am not I think Nat fits Edgic the best out of what we are left with. Then you would be wrong. Natalie may win, but she doesn't fit edgic at all. Let alone the best out of the remaining players. Oh my god. This thread is all based on how you interpret things. Seriously, someones interpretation of the editing can't be wrong. If she doesn't win then my winners pick is wrong.
zzzazzzazzz		#4504	[-]
Posts: 1052 (12/06/09 07:00 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	unduli clone wrote: Along with everyone else, I'm in the Foa Foa camp, and am one of those who has narrowed it down to the two pretty boys there. If it's a Galu, it's gotta be Monica! Yeah, all you have other than Monica is Brett (lulz), Shambo (OTT), or Dave (Crazy).
JaimeCat22		#4505	[-]
Posts: 107 (12/06/09 07:06 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	McPhever224 wrote: This thread is all based on how you interpret things. It's based on how you interpret the edgic guidelines. If I were to post that Brett wins based on edgic, I would be wrong. Theoretically Brett could win, but it would have no basis in edgic.
astroline		#4506	[-]
Posts: 2874 (12/06/09 07:12 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JaimeCat22 wrote: It's based on how you interpret the edgic guidelines. If I were to post that Brett wins based on edgic, I would be wrong. Theoretically Brett could win, but it would have no basis in edgic. And yet the Edgic guidelines have led to wrong majority winner picks 3 out of the past 4 seasons. The Edgic guidelines are outdated and some are completely irrelevant. Natalie has 3 early UTR's with no confessionals until Episode 4 and an Episode 2 INV. Mick has only 1 toned episode, 1 CP episode, and 3 straight UTR's at the merge, followed by a MOR. Russell has astronomical visibility, tone and strategy. Jaison has up-and-down tone with questionable content for a winner. Monica has a premiere UTR1 and only 1 CP episode. Shambo is a distraction for so many reasons. All of these people have important reasons for being eliminated.
McPhever224		#4507	[-]
Posts: 448 (12/06/09 07:19 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	astroline wrote: JaimeCat22 wrote: It's based on how you interpret the edgic guidelines. If I were to post that Brett wins based on edgic, I would be wrong. Theoretically Brett could win, but it would have no basis in edgic. And yet the Edgic guidelines have led to wrong majority winner picks 3 out of the past 4 seasons. The Edgic guidelines are outdated and some are completely irrelevant. Natalie has 3 early UTR's with no confessionals until Episode 4 and an Episode 2 INV. Mick has only 1 toned episode, 1 CP episode, and 3 straight UTR's at the merge, followed by a MOR. Russell has astronomical visibility, tone and strategy. Jaison has up-and-down tone with questionable content for a winner. Monica has a premiere UTR1 and only 1 CP episode. Shambo is a distraction for so many reasons. All of these people have important reasons for being eliminated. Exactly my point. This season is about who has the least worst edit. Everyone is going to see that differently. And we see that there are still 4 people who people have been consistently voting for as their number 1 pick. And seriously picking the MOR male has worked so well in the past right?
astroline		#4508	[-]
Posts: 2875 (12/06/09 07:24 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I totally agree. People don't seem to realize that ALL of these winners would be unprecedented (and I made a huge post about this weeks & weeks ago), yet because Mick is a young male similar to Marcus/Stephen/Matty, his edit is somehow better. I'm sorry, but just because he had a MORP3 premiere and no INV's since then does not make him a winner. A winner has never had 3 post-merge UTR's in a row (like CR just stated earlier), only 1 toned episode (every winner has at least 2 at this point, and everyone in the game except for Brett has had more tone than Mick), only 1 CP episode, no personal storyline or strategy (outside of the recap), no jury ties with any members of the jury so far. Russell & Natalie's edits might "fit the guidelines" much less, but half of this thread is about LOGIC. They have tone. They have complexity. They have strategy. They have FTC ties. They have jury ties. You could say the same for Jaison & Shambo as well. For Mick, none of this applies. Yet he's the #1 pick because he's a young male with a 2+ visibility in the premiere and no INV's. We might as well erase all the other guidelines and make that the only other consideration, because it's all Edgic has focused on the past few seasons. There's nothing wrong with the edits of Russell/Natalie/Jaison, it's the close-mindedness of the people who continually pick people like Mick, Amanda, Marcus & Stephen and always seem to forget that those people LOST. What makes Mick any different? Nothing. Mick is a nobody with some MOR ratings.
saltidor		#4509	[-]
Posts: 58 (12/06/09 07:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Here is my list of who has the best chances of winning 1- Jaison, Im so sure he's gonna win 2- Russell, why not? 3- Mick girls probably wont win, but they still have some hope.. 4- Shambo 5- Natalie 6- Monica no chances at all: 7- Dave 8- Brett
McPhever224		#4510	[-]
Posts: 449 (12/06/09 07:39 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Click here to break the ad gravity rule. Remove this ad saltidor wrote: Here is my list of who has the best chances of winning 1- Jaison, Im so sure he's gonna win 2- Russell, why not? 3- Mick girls probably wont win, but they still have some hope.. 4- Shambo 5- Natalie 6- Monica no chances at all: 7- Dave 8- Brett How exactly does Shambo have more of a chance to win than Natalie..
MasterDarkNinja		#4511	[-]
Posts: 2938 (12/06/09 07:47 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	chapera rocks wrote: Mick lacks individual storyline (which it looks like he might get next episode ... 3 episode before the finale). Actually that would be 2 episodes before the finale, not 3. People get bashed here no matter what. If you change your pick, you're not going by edgic standards This is one thing that really drives me crazy in edgic, especially this season where we all agree there is no 100% good choice. There's nothing in the edgic guidelines that says you're not supposed to change your winner pick after a certain point. Go to page one and hit ctrl + f and search for the word 'merge', you won't find any mention of the merge in the edgic guidelines for picking a winner, or anywhere else on page 1 of the edgic topic, except for a brief mention in CP's definition. I think it's foolish to pick a winner before the merge and then refuse to change your pick no matter how far south your winner pick's edit goes from there. That's like investing 50% of the money you earn in a year in Enron stock every year, even after it becomes clear that Enron is going bankrupt fast.You need to be open to change your mind when new evidence shows your wrong. But that's just my opinion, which apparently isn't shared by over half of edgic. Last Edited By: MasterDarkNinja 12/06/09 07:52 PM. Edited 2 times.
WhoLetTheBlTCHout		#4512	[-]
Posts: 255 (12/06/09 07:57 PM) I don't take hints Reply Quote More Recent Posts	astroline wrote: If Monica was UTR2 in the premiere instead of UTR1, do you think more of us would have been considering her? It's an interesting thought cos I definitely do think Monica has one of the most manipulated edits left. I would, i mean just look at that ass behind :D
Bowie.thehole		#4513	[-]
Posts: 555 (12/06/09 08:13 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The case for Brett: Firstly, we all agree that so far, a few episodes before the end, that this season is already breaking rules and the winner will have to have broken rules, edgic-wise. Secondly, I know Brett is gone next week or the week after just like your next edgician knows that; it's essentially 90% likely, going not just by edgic, but by common sense. However, as people have discussed before, the editors this season CLEARLY wanted to make it The Russell Show, using various supporting players to demonstrate this the whole way through. Likewise, as people have discussed before, the chances of the winner being the ANTITHESIS of Russell -- and hence, the winner eventually "making sense" in the audience's view because he or she didn't rile up as many feathers as Russell (or Shambo etc) did -- are pretty good, somewhere around the 40-60% chance range. Brett COULD be the guy who flourishes towards the end, and in retrospect is portrayed as the likeable, under-the-radar backbone to the entire game who UNLIKE ANYBODY ELSE managed to stay completely neutral for so long, especially if, as the previews indicate, Mick and Jaison begin scrambling to get rid of Russell next week, which may (or may not, indeed) come back to haunt them. Then, if Brett wins, without having scurried or scrambled or switched alliances or anything, THAT could be the "story" that is explored in the Reunion Show. His neutral tone and under-the-radarness may be his asset "story-wise". The only thing dubious about this logic is that his "significance" in the Erik-vote-off was shown only in the Recap episode and if he is our winner, that surely would have been shown in an actual episode; however, again, his significance was almost NIL, and not showing that could be part of this season's editors' twisted logic in crafting an unlikely, yet somehow likely, under-the-radar Galu member who managed to survive Russell's wrath and be the sole remaining Galu by not even making himself "seen". Thirdly, most of his confessionals seem to demonstrate this tactic of his. He's made it known to us several times that he's trying to be under-the-radar, and that voting off Erik was PART of his plan to remain under-the-radar (admittedly this was per Recap). Finally, I think it's pretty clear that the editors don't particularly care about the winner this season (unless it's Jaison who's gotten the second best edit so far). They care about Russell, and will devote the ENTIRE Reunion show to Russell, whether he wins or loses. That Brett could flourish in the final few episodes and win and be a boring winner on the Reunion Show is NOT unprecedented (although the degree to which it will happen IS), but with Russell as the focus, who cares? Again, I know Brett's gone next week or the week after. But I'm just saying, don't be surprised if the edgic logic is COMPLETELY wrong this season, especially with so many contestants still left at the moment, and enough room for a significant flourishing of a contestant's character and motivations.
McPhever224		#4514	[-]
Posts: 450 (12/06/09 08:20 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Bowie wrote: The case for Brett: Firstly, we all agree that so far, a few episodes before the end, that this season is already breaking rules and the winner will have to have broken rules, edgic-wise. Secondly, I know Brett is gone next week or the week after just like your next edgician knows that; it's essentially 90% likely, going not just by edgic, but by common sense. However, as people have discussed before, the editors this season CLEARLY wanted to make it The Russell Show, using various supporting players to demonstrate this the whole way through. Likewise, as people have discussed before, the chances of the winner being the ANTITHESIS of Russell -- and hence, the winner eventually "making sense" in the audience's view because he or she didn't rile up as many feathers as Russell (or Shambo etc) did -- are pretty good, somewhere around the 40-60% chance range. Brett COULD be the guy who flourishes towards the end, and in retrospect is portrayed as the likeable, under-the-radar backbone to the entire game who UNLIKE ANYBODY ELSE managed to stay completely neutral for so long, especially if, as the previews indicate, Mick and Jaison begin scrambling to get rid of Russell next week, which may (or may not, indeed) come back to haunt them. Then, if Brett wins, without having scurried or scrambled or switched alliances or anything, THAT could be the "story" that is explored in the Reunion Show. His neutral tone and under-the-radarness may be his asset "story-wise". The only thing dubious about this logic is that his "significance" in the Erik-vote-off was shown only in the Recap episode and if he is our winner, that surely would have been shown in an actual episode; however, again, his significance was almost NIL, and not showing that could be part of this season's editors' twisted logic in crafting an unlikely, yet somehow likely, under-the-radar Galu member who managed to survive Russell's wrath and be the sole remaining Galu by not even making himself "seen". Thirdly, most of his confessionals seem to demonstrate this tactic of his. He's made it known to us several times that he's trying to be under-the-radar, and that voting off Erik was PART of his plan to remain under-the-radar (admittedly this was per Recap). Finally, I think it's pretty clear that the editors don't particularly care about the winner this season (unless it's Jaison who's gotten the second best edit so far). They care about Russell, and will devote the ENTIRE Reunion show to Russell, whether he wins or loses. That Brett could flourish in the final few episodes and win and be a boring winner on the Reunion Show is NOT unprecedented (although the degree to which it will happen IS), but with Russell as the focus, who cares? Again, I know Brett's gone next week or the week after. But I'm just saying, don't be surprised if the edgic logic is COMPLETELY wrong this season, especially with so many contestants still left at the moment, and enough room for a significant flourishing of a contestant's character and motivations. I just wanna know, is this a serious post or not?
Shorvivor		#4515	[-]
Posts: 260 (12/06/09 08:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Bowie wrote: The case for Brett: Firstly, we all agree that so far, a few episodes before the end, that this season is already breaking rules and the winner will have to have broken rules, edgic-wise. Secondly, I know Brett is gone next week or the week after just like your next edgician knows that; it's essentially 90% likely, going not just by edgic, but by common sense. However, as people have discussed before, the editors this season CLEARLY wanted to make it The Russell Show, using various supporting players to demonstrate this the whole way through. Likewise, as people have discussed before, the chances of the winner being the ANTITHESIS of Russell -- and hence, the winner eventually "making sense" in the audience's view because he or she didn't rile up as many feathers as Russell (or Shambo etc) did -- are pretty good, somewhere around the 40-60% chance range. Brett COULD be the guy who flourishes towards the end, and in retrospect is portrayed as the likeable, under-the-radar backbone to the entire game who UNLIKE ANYBODY ELSE managed to stay completely neutral for so long, especially if, as the previews indicate, Mick and Jaison begin scrambling to get rid of Russell next week, which may (or may not, indeed) come back to haunt them. Then, if Brett wins, without having scurried or scrambled or switched alliances or anything, THAT could be the "story" that is explored in the Reunion Show. His neutral tone and under-the-radarness may be his asset "story-wise". The only thing dubious about this logic is that his "significance" in the Erik-vote-off was shown only in the Recap episode and if he is our winner, that surely would have been shown in an actual episode; however, again, his significance was almost NIL, and not showing that could be part of this season's editors' twisted logic in crafting an unlikely, yet somehow likely, under-the-radar Galu member who managed to survive Russell's wrath and be the sole remaining Galu by not even making himself "seen". Thirdly, most of his confessionals seem to demonstrate this tactic of his. He's made it known to us several times that he's trying to be under-the-radar, and that voting off Erik was PART of his plan to remain under-the-radar (admittedly this was per Recap). Finally, I think it's pretty clear that the editors don't particularly care about the winner this season (unless it's Jaison who's gotten the second best edit so far). They care about Russell, and will devote the ENTIRE Reunion show to Russell, whether he wins or loses. That Brett could flourish in the final few episodes and win and be a boring winner on the Reunion Show is NOT unprecedented (although the degree to which it will happen IS), but with Russell as the focus, who cares? Again, I know Brett's gone next week or the week after. But I'm just saying, don't be surprised if the edgic logic is COMPLETELY wrong this season, especially with so many contestants still left at the moment, and enough room for a significant flourishing of a contestant's character and motivations. My thoughts exactly. We can't rule anyone out this season because the whole thing has just been the Russell show. Also, a bad first three episodes doesn't matter nearly as much this season as in the past, as those episodes were completely devoted to Russell.
Bowie.thehole		#4516	[-]
Posts: 556 (12/06/09 08:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	McPhever224 wrote: I just wanna know, is this a serious post or not? Utterly serious. Did you read anything else besides "The case for Brett"? The last sentence, for example?
zzzazzzazzz		#4517	[-]
Posts: 1057 (12/06/09 08:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yeah, I'm 99.99% sure that Brett is not going to win. I'm sorry, but if we don't know who you are or what your voice sounds like by episode 11, who the fuck (aside from Brettards) would root for him? We honestly don't know shit about him. We have only a few more episodes to go. I honestly think that if you took all the air time he got while talking from ep 1 to now, it would be less than 5 minutes.
McPhever224		#4518	[-]
Posts: 451 (12/06/09 08:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Bowie wrote: McPhever224 wrote: I just wanna know, is this a serious post or not? Utterly serious. Did you read anything else besides "The case for Brett"? The last sentence, for example? No, I did read it, it's interesting, but I wasn't sure if you were making it into a joke, or were completely serious.
craig		#4519	[-]
Posts: 16611 (12/06/09 09:58 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think it's foolish to pick a winner before the merge and then refuse to change your pick no matter how far south your winner pick's edit goes from there. Edgic says they are supposed to trick us as we get near ther end (winner having N episodes, other "unbeatable" distractions emphazied). But the winner doesn't go UTR in repeated episodes. Mick's postmerge edit is shades of Taj and Cystal the last two seasons (not as bad, but all peaked premerge). The last majority edgic pic to get neglcted postmerge was Scout.
Erika Erika		#4520	[-]
Posts: 7 (12/07/09 12:07 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Click here to break the ad gravity rule. Remove this ad Oops this post was a mistake. Last Edited By: Erika Erika 12/07/09 12:15 AM. Edited 1 times.

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