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Sole Survivor Genius |
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While the outcast twist was unfair, with out it, we may have ended up with Savage winning. And that would have made a
fantastic season absolutely terrible.
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Huntorr |
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The "Haves Vs. Have-Nots" twist in Fiji was big. It pretty much ruined the entire game.
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CoconutPhone |
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I'm iffy on swaps. They can work well but I almost always prefer keeping the tribes in their original formations until the merge. It's nice to see
original tribe loyalties fade at the merge (where it's not automatic us vs them to the detriment of those low on the totem pole) but often a swap unless
perfectly even disadvantages the minority numbers in the new tribe and that's when you get teams taking dives to vote off members of the old other tribe.
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SuperJude |
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Huntorr wrote:That was more "Oh shit, somebody just quit the game the day we started filming, we have 19 people, what should we do" and that questions likely being answered by some retarded PA who likely got a raise and a promotion out of the deal. Improvised, shit idea which lead to one of the generally accepted "Worst seasons" but still, given that this wasn't some long term plan, it gets a pass as does the horrible Outcast twist. -SJ™ |
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JPOz |
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For return on your investment the tribe swap in ASS got a lot of bang for the buck. Some might even say the buck is still bangin...
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CSCin3D |
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SuperJude wrote: Umm, haves vs. haves not was happening whether or not Mellisa quit. MB or one of his minions thought it up and made both the Apprentice and Survivor do it. The only thing Mellisa changed was that instead of Sylvia and Gary picking the tribes, only Sylvia did and she had to go to Exile Island. |
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Blueberry |
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SkyDreamer wrote:lol remember when Cirie thought she made the f3 with Parvati and Amanda? funny stuff lol |
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wellmabk |
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Final 3 is the worst, hands down. I have despised that since it's started and I'm always hesitant if it's going to return.
BARFx1000 |
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Pulau Tiga |
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damnredsox wrote:... That never happened. Anyway, Palau's first two boots, the F3 twist, the Outcast twist, and the original game-long HII were the most unfair twists Survivor has come up with. If I were to rank them, it'd be: 1. Palau's F20/F19 boots - Most unfair twist ever, I think. Other twists have fucked with the game in unimaginable ways, but this twist eliminated two players right off the bat with no justification or fairness. Wanda and Jonathan never had a chance to play Survivor. It wasn't just the format of the game that was changed for them, they were playing an entirely different game altogether, and they didn't know that until they were booted for it. 2. F3 Twist - It completely altered the format of the game, changing every facet of strategy and fucking up every core element of Survivor as we knew it. I say if they absolutely had to change the F2 to a F3, at least tell the cast from the get-go, or at least when the expanded jury began. The way the CI and Fiji casts found out at the very last minute completely tarnished any integrity those seasons might have had. 3. Outcast Twist - Not quite as bad as the Final 3, but it did destroy the one integral game concept that hasn't been touched since: once you're voted out, you're voted out. The cast had no idea they'd be dealing with the consequences of their early boot decisions, and it really affected how the game played out. But at the same time, it didn't have to be a big deal. If the cast wanted to, they could have more or less completely negated the twist, booting the Outcasts immediately and calling it a day. Plus, they had a chance to force the twist to never happen by beating the Outcast tribe in a challenge. It wasn't fair, but they could have eliminated the unfairness. And dealing with the players you've voted off has always been an important part of Survivor. It's why the jury consists of the players you've already voted for, rather than some group of objective witnesses. So I really have no problem with the Outcast twist, personally. 4. The EI/CI HII - There wasn't jack shit you could do about it, and that was a problem. Terry and Yul both waltzed into the end game because they found the idols early on, and the only way to prevent that would be to sacrifice a player to the inevitable HII playing. It wasn't fair at all, but since you did have to "earn" the HII, there's at least some shred of fairness to the idol's distribution. But yeah, it was a completely bullshit twist. Thank god Fiji fixed it. I wouldn't say any of the other twists were really unfair. Survivor isn't a fair game. Just, those four were particularly outrageous in terms of fucking players over. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 9851 (12/09/09 04:45 PM) Registered user |
Survivor is totally fair, saying that it's unfair is such a weird statement. The twists are almost a metaphor for the tribulations the castaways are
supposed to endure, and I can see the benefit in all of them. My problem comes from the intent of the twists. Initially, twists were designed to provoke
specific reactions and to "shake things up" both emotionally and strategically. Now it's only a means for the producers to have an extended
degree of control over who wins. Having a Final 3 because one believes that a certain player is more "deserving" completely ruins the concept imo. Or
having a HII and limiting the number of potential outcomes and just making up bullshit like "It adds another dimension to the game" when it really
doesn't is bogus.
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Mikester |
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THE BOTTLE TWIST
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JPOz |
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Pulau Tiga wrote:Many good points in the post. I know if Outcasts won both tribes had to go to TC but if they finished second did only one tribe go to TC? Also, it was not possible for the cast to simply vote out the Outcasts...both Burton and Lil were given Immunity for the first merge TC. So some non-outcast had to go. Once that happened Rupert/JFP/Sandra/Christa could agree to vote out Burton & Lill and they'd still have # majority but it doesn't make a lot of sense, seemed better to use those votes while they could. |
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JPOz |
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Mikester wrote:Guatamala or CI? CI bottle twist definitely belongs on the list. |
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ncassaro |
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The outcast twist is every bit as unfair as the HII.
But I dunno. The outcast twist was entertaining and led to an amazing post-merge, so we forgive. The idol has been entertaining a couple of times but now it's just played out and has changed the show way too much. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 9856 (12/09/09 05:43 PM) Registered user |
ncassaro wrote:When it first was introduced, I would have agreed with you. On subsequent viewings though, the Outcast twist was handled with restraint. Ultimately, they didn't really change anything. |
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DaveSoGay |
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The biggest twist was the first twist: the tribal swap in Survivor Africa. No one was was ever caught more off guard by a twist than Silas and his gang, as
they were playing the game without the slightest idea that such a thing was possible. Post-Africa, no matter what the twist, at least the Survivors were
prepared to expect the unexpected.
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damnredsox |
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Is the consensus from this board that the Twists are overall a good thing for the game or not?
I think the producers initiate the twists MIDGAME, not before and if a season is headed towards being way to predictable they swing stuff around |
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Sunshine8503 |
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I actually liked the outcast twist. I might be in the minority but I liked Lil and glad she got a second chance. They kept that fucker Osten and booted her. It
was funny when she came back to camp and they were not thrilled and treated her like crap. Then when the merge Andrew was trying to talk to her
Exile island is lame and so was the season where they were divided by race. |
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Shred |
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I also liked the Outcast twist. But only as a one time thing. It still will never be topped as the biggest twist the show has ever had.
Please don't ever mention the infamous BOTTLE. That glass bottle still gives me nightmares. |
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