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Posts: 65 (12/10/09 04:33 PM) |
wallytosa wrote: Richard Hatch Tina Wesson Brian Heidik Rob Cesternino Jonny Fairplay Rob Mariano Tom Westman Todd Herzog Amanda Kimmell Parvati Shallow .... |
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Posts: 1124 (12/10/09 04:36 PM) |
Cirie Fields
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Posts: 9925 (12/10/09 04:39 PM) |
Yea, and Sugar could convince everyone to vote off whoever she wanted for whatever reasons, whenever she wanted.
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Posts: 491 (12/10/09 04:45 PM) Registered User |
It would be impossible for Russell to be considered best player ever. He is playing with a whole bunch of retarded(or mentally challenged) people, so ANYONE
who strategized at all would do well. Best player this season, maybe.
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emjoi |
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Posts: 1204 (12/10/09 04:46 PM) Registered User |
If not the "best", to be fair he is pretty good. Heidik managed to do his thing more smoothly and efficiently, but he was also rather more boring and
UTR. Russell is doing the best he can with a personality that can't be UTR.
And he's been a good instructor for the viewers on how the Play the Game. Laying out for the viewers clearly what's important and what's not. Like the Masked Magician (or whatever his name was) showing how the tricks work. |
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Huntorr |
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Posts: 36 (12/10/09 04:50 PM) |
You can't compare him to players from before there was the immunity idol. It's just changed the game too much.
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Posts: 3444 (12/10/09 05:31 PM) |
The opinion of any recruited mactor, who isn't a real fan of the show, doesn't even count.
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JPOz |
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Posts: 292 (12/10/09 05:42 PM) |
JackSparrowBauer wrote:This. Specially when said mactor is delusional, believes he made no mistakes and his defeat confirms his own greatness because it took the greatest ever to beat him. |
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Posts: 292 (12/10/09 05:49 PM) Avocado Assassin |
Shambo wrote: A lot will depend on Russell's endgame. You can't be the best player ever unless you have the ability to win the game. I'm sure I'm going to get ridiculed for saying it, but JT has to be considered one of the best ever. Strong in the challenges, strong strategically, and a GREAT social player who had everybody scrambling over themselves to give him a million dollars. On the other hand, JT had some help getting to the end.... |
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Posts: 3234 (12/10/09 05:50 PM) |
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Posts: 306 (12/10/09 06:04 PM) |
TheWizard wrote:I will reserve my judgments about JT until after I see him play during season 20 - because like you said, he had some major help getting to the end. I think Russel will blow it during tribal council and lose the game because he won't be able to stop himself from telling the jury what dumb-asses they all are. |
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JPOz |
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Posts: 293 (12/10/09 06:05 PM) |
TheWizard wrote:What you're saying is without Taj you think he might not have made it? ;) Welcome back. Re River's comment - no offense but that doesn't sound like Russell - he gets loud when confronted but the verbal lashings after Betsy, Liz, etc. questioned him were to the camera .
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Posts: 307 (12/10/09 06:19 PM) |
no offense taken. On the other hand when you think about it, he also sometimes can't stop himself from bragging. Like when he found another HI and said he
was going to keep it quiet. Then he goes off and tells several people. Or when he found the third HI and then laid in the hammock grinning as if he had just
eaten the canary. Or during that immunity challenge hooking the bags, and he bloats up with smugness thinking he's got it in the bag and smiles that smile
until he hears that Laura is hot on his heals. I really think he won't be able to help himself during TC (if he makes it there, and I'm assuming the
way things are going, he will) and will brag about all of his self perceived brilliance once and for all at TC.
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JPOz |
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Posts: 294 (12/10/09 06:38 PM) |
I agree, in spite of his words, he couldn't WAIT to tell someone he found the second HII, he wanted someone to confirm his greatness. But from his chats
with John it appears he didn't want anyone to know he found the third one AND doesn't realize that his behavior made it clear to everyone he had found
it. He likes patting himself on the back, likes having his ego stroked and don't think he'll have any problem telling them all the things he did. But
he's also a pretty savvy guy and I think he'll try to smooth talk them as much as possible.
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Posts: 308 (12/10/09 06:42 PM) |
Well, let's hope you're right because your scenario is more interesting. Out of all of them, he deserves to win it, and if he makes it to the end and
gives a good jury performance, there's no excuse for the jury not to vote for him except out of bitterness and general douche-baggery.
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Posts: 517 (12/10/09 07:03 PM) Registered User |
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
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Posts: 309 (12/10/09 07:08 PM) |
I'm thinking the story will be edited more like "pride goeth before the fall"
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Posts: 293 (12/10/09 08:28 PM) Avocado Assassin |
River50 wrote:That's my guess too. Although major kudos to the way Russell played Monica tonight. In Tribal Council saying how amazingly strategic she was; in the vote, saying how stupid she was. |
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JPOz |
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Posts: 303 (12/10/09 08:43 PM) |
TheWizard wrote: And you also saw how straight shooter he can be with people. She tried pushing his buttons on the beach, he looked her straight in the eye and was short, sweet and too the point. Didn't show her that what she was saying concerned or upset him. Once he got rid of her THEN his concern came out. That ability to look someone straight in the eyes and give direct responses will serve him well if he gets to final TC although it doesn't insure the jury would actually vote for him.
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Posts: 294 (12/10/09 09:15 PM) Avocado Assassin |
JPOz wrote:I completely agree. Complete contrast to the limp way Jaison was begging for jury votes. "Uh...me and Russell've been in it together. I'm the secret strategist. I'm the one who's really in charge." Weak. |
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