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BlakeB717		#221	[-]
Posts: 2526 (12/06/09 11:06 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I used to have a handle on ads, but it broke. Remove this ad Unofficial chart as of Episode 5: Close calls: Richard: -CP or OTT -Neutral or M Sue: -2 or 3 Ethan: -MOR or CP Shii-Ann: -UTR or MOR Rupert: -2 or 3 You have until tomorrow at 11:30 PM EST to get your votes in for these close calls. The leaders (in votes) will win the close-call. You may also now start voting for Episode 6. Here is the visibility chart: Ah, back when visibility was fairly distributed... WARNING: lots of complexity this episode. Be very careful about handing out too many CPs.
BlakeB717		#222	[-]
Posts: 2527 (12/06/09 11:10 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Close-Call votes: Rich: -OTT -M Sue: -2 Ethan: -MOR Shii-Ann: -UTR Rupert: -3 Rough ratings for E6: CHAPERA Alicia- MORP4 Amber- CPP3 Jenna L- UTR2 Rob M- CPN4 Rupert- CP4 Sue- OTTM4 Big Tom- MORN2 MOGO MOGO Colby- MORN3 Ethan- UTR2 Jerri- MOR3 Kathy- CP3 Lex- CP3 Shii-Ann- CP4
chapera rocks		#223	[-]
Posts: 12187 (12/06/09 11:28 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Richard: CP, Neutral Sue 2 Ethan CP Shii-Ann: UTR Rupert: 3 Alicia - CPP4 Amber - CPP4 Jenna L. - UTR1 Rob M. - CP4 Rupert - CPM4 Susan - OTTM4 Tom - MORN2 Colby - CPN3 Ethan - MOR2 Jerri - MOR2 (Her visibility factor doesn't equate to her visibility, IMO. In an episode with a lot of high presence, she didn't stand out) Kathy - CP3 Lex - CP3 Shii-Ann - CPP4 Yep, lots of CP. But they all had CP to their edit, and therefore deserve a CP rating. Weird, but good episode.
BlakeB717		#224	[-]
Posts: 2528 (12/06/09 11:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Woah you watched that fast. You must have been watching it earlier today. Ahead of the game, cr! =P
Katy Carney		#225	[-]
Posts: 9574 (12/06/09 11:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Richard: CP Neutral Sue: 3 Ethan: CP Shii-Ann: MOR Rupert: 3 Ep 6: Chapera: Alicia - CPP4 (I felt like her perspective on Sue/Richard was most fleshed out and really told from her perspective a lot, but it really felt like more than narrating because the entire scandal was bookended by her own personal feelings. Not strategy but I felt she was really complex.) Amber - MORP3 (more on her in a minute) Jenna - UTR2 Rob - CPN4 Rupert - CP4 Sue - OTT4 Tom - MORN2 Mogo Mogo: Colby - MORN3 (I wasn't sure on tone...its hard for me to distinguish whether I just found him unappealing or I was SUPPOSED to find him unappealing) Ethan - UTR2 Jerri - MOR3 Kathy - CP3 (almost went MOR) Lex - MOR3 (almost went CP) Shii Ann - CP4 This episode was so hard to rate because so many people's POV were fleshed out. The thing about Amber that stood out to me is that she is shown AGAIN making the strategic connection and reaching out to Rupert and Jenna. The editing made it appear that SHE approached them, just like it did with Amber and Tom during the Rob C boot. Twice now she's been shown, alone, making successful strategic moves for her and Rob and she's had the first confessionals about those moves, too (even though they were followed up and upstaged by Rob's much flashier confessionals almost immediately afterwards). Obviously its something that only seems important in hindsight but I do think it was intentional.
BlakeB717		#226	[-]
Posts: 2529 (12/06/09 11:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	LOL you guys are posting so quick tonight, what's up? I agree that I debated MOR for Amber. What gave me the CP for her was her confessional at the end of the episode. I thought it was very significant. I thought Alicia was more narrative (narration = MOR) of Sue's situation. Could have been CP, could have been OTT, but I went with MOR. Totally saw major N in Rob M's edit. Not sure why you gave him neutral, cr. Rupert's tone (and rating) is interesting to me. He kind of looked bad making fun of Sue with Rob and Tom, but it really all reflected on Rob. He looked good trying to fish, but Rob made him look to be a fool (he's being used). I wasn't sure if Rupert was MOR either. I went with CP4, but I could see a whole bunch of other ratings. I'll probably stick to my original rating. Lex was very, very CP. I agree that Amber's edit is pretty good. So much manipulation. If this were a regular Edgic season, I'd have a really hard time rooting for her because her first two episodes lacked a lot of good substance. However, we were constantly reminded of her relationship with Rob and she was spared of the negativity. Ep4 and now Ep6 she talked about the win, and I know she speaks about it again in Ep12 and Ep14. Poeple who talk about the win (with fairly decent edits, and it's not pounded over the head--like say Russ H) usually end up winning. I agree that they've manipulated it to look like she's been the intiator in every strategic move, with her saying "me and Rob talked about it" and them showing her starting it.
Katy Carney		#227	[-]
Posts: 9575 (12/06/09 11:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I watched the episode and wrote down my ratings yesterday morning. I wasn't sure on Lex. His "i will take advantage of my friends trust because this is business" scene and the fishing scene combined did seem CP. I think since his visibility was lower and because it seemed like i was giving out a crazy amount of CPs I just wrote down MOR.
chapera rocks		#228	[-]
Posts: 12188 (12/07/09 12:22 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I've been rewatching all stars, so I'm way ahead in episodes, and just update my chart as I go. The only thing I really change is visibility, if there's a big discrepancy between my rating and the vis factor. I think the N on Rob is questionable. I could see it with the Rupert comment, but I guess I was just so used to negative Rob that it seemed like it paled in comparison to other stuff he's said. But I don't think he's N this episode; if he's got tone, it's got to be M. He understood Sue's position, whereas Tom and Rupert were completely skeptical and dismissive of her, which is why Rob's scene bashing Sue wasn't as negative. He wasn't even named by Alicia when she looked down upon Tom. He's either M or Static to me. I
Katy Carney		#229	[-]
Posts: 9576 (12/07/09 12:35 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I went with N because of the scene where he and Tom dance to the wicked witch is dead, which is given negative SPV from Alicia.
cantthinkofaname		#230	[-]
Posts: 1607 (12/07/09 01:02 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I used to have a handle on ads, but it broke. Remove this ad Rich: -OTT -M Sue: -3 Ethan: -CP Shii-Ann: -UTR Rupert: -3 Also I'd like to add about visibility, I try to have average number in the visibilities I give to come as close to 3 as possible when making them acceptable in relation to one another. This is what I do when I look at the numbers. a 4 evens out a 2 a 5 evens out a 1 two 4s even out a 1 a 5 evens out two 2s I brought this up because when I looked at your guys' numbers there 1-3 too many numbers above 3 (or the total of the numbers is 1-3 higher than 3 X the number of contestants). Last Edited By: cantthinkofaname 12/07/09 01:07 AM. Edited 1 times.
bryanpasa		#231	[-]
Posts: 2833 (12/07/09 10:37 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Rich: -CP -Neutral Sue: -3 Ethan: -CP Shii-Ann: -MOR Rupert: -3
Oowatanite		#232	[-]
Posts: 9584 (12/07/09 11:24 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Close-Call votes: Rich: -OTT -M Sue: -2 Ethan: -MOR Shii-Ann: -UTR Rupert: -2
BlakeB717		#233	[-]
Posts: 2531 (12/07/09 03:29 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	3 close-calls once again resulted in a deadlock. Since I'd deem myself overseeing watchdog, I broke the ties and did another rewatch: Richard was OTT. Everything in his edit was OTT if you re-watch. From "You must go Bye Bye now, how dare you!" to his stunt with Sue to "Bamboozled!" to "There's no target on me... cackle" to "These logs sure won't move very fast!" to "frown Ethan caught a fish!" followed by a fish-off. I didn't see much complexity. We didn't learn much about his thoughts. I reluctantly gave Richard Neutral. I guess upon further review, there was nothing to warrant a full P-tone (which is necessary for an N), even though I think the editing intent was for us to want him to stay, so I had to go with Neutral (I originally voted Mixed). I also changed my mind and gave Sue a 3. So, the only close-call I really decided was Richard getting OTT, which I feel strong in. Hope there aren't any outrages, but that's what it is.
bryanpasa		#234	[-]
Posts: 2837 (12/08/09 09:31 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	CHAPERA Alicia- CPP4 [we got to her insights about Sue and how much she values them] Amber- CPP3 [the confessional at the end got me; and she plays a social game] Jenna L- UTR2 [oh yeah, there, making a pact to F4] Rob M- CPN4 [he didn't care for Sue, but we still get to his insights] Rupert- CPP4 [he caught a fish so that's kinda P] Sue- OTTM5 [With almost 10 minutes dedicated with SPVs about her; I will rest my case and she's 5] Big Tom- MORN2 [Doing a wicked dance for Sue is so N =(] MOGO MOGO Colby- MORN3 [his argument with Shii-Ann is kinda N] Ethan- UTR1 [with his vis today, even Brett on Episode 10 was more visible; his vis factor doesn't equate to his visiblity =/, kinda Mick vibe too, he got a vis of 2 but completely non-existent.] Jerri- MORN2 [N with her loud mouth and 2 negative SPVs] Kathy- CP3 [she's just aso CP this episode] Lex- CPP3 [he is now the new fish provider kinda P] Shii-Ann- CPP4 [she's being built up as the hero among their fight with Colby] ETA: I dunno why you guys rank Ethan as vis 2 when he's kind of non-existent? =/
BlakeB717		#235	[-]
Posts: 2534 (12/09/09 04:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	78 hours to get your ratings in!
cantthinkofaname		#236	[-]
Posts: 1615 (12/09/09 05:36 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Idk, after watching the episode (before seeing the VF chart) I put Ethan down as MOR2
BlakeB717		#237	[-]
Posts: 2535 (12/10/09 10:03 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	48 hours people!
rioothello		#238	[-]
Posts: 72 (12/10/09 11:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	BlakeB717 wrote: 48 hours people! Nobody cares.
cantthinkofaname		#239	[-]
Posts: 1625 (12/12/09 03:02 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sue - OTTM4 Colby - MORN3 Ethan - UTR1 Jerri - MOR3 Lex - CP3 Kathy - CP3 Alicia - CPP4 Shii-Ann - CP3 Tom - OTTN2 Rupert - CP4 Jenna L. - UTR1 Rob M. - CPN4 Amber - CP3
BlakeB717		#240	[-]
Posts: 2567 (12/12/09 03:16 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I used to have a handle on ads, but it broke. Remove this ad Get your ass on it Oo =P 20 hours! No close calls at the moment, but Oo could ruin that Last Edited By: BlakeB717 12/12/09 03:40 AM. Edited 1 times.

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