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spanellers1		#81	[-]
Posts: 929 (12/14/09 12:34 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Viva la removeaducion! Remove this ad Dave condemning John for not knowing how to play the game sounds an awful lot like the pot calling the kettle black.
JPOz		#82	[-]
Posts: 416 (12/14/09 12:39 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 wrote: He said his social skills/social game would probably be weakest part of his game and his interviews show why he thought that. Regarding mental illness - Dave has knowledge of medical things the average lay person does not. The things we have seen and heard from Shambo ARE consistent with mental illness. The belief that one has special powers, hearing voices, etc. is consistent with that diagnosis. She is also extremely paranoid and shown signs of delusional beliefs. That being said, she is in an extremely stressful situation which can result in exaggerated behavior and unless he specifically has medical training it's a little irresponsible to throw terms like that around. However, as I've posted elsewhere, if reports that she was asked to be on a future season are true I'm surprised; personally I wouldn't want to be out in the wilds and try to sleep knowing she has access to a machete. What is this special information that Dave has regarding mental illness that the lay person does not have? When did she express a belief that she has special powers? When did she express hearing voices? They are ALL paranoid, that comes with the territory. What are these delusional beliefs that you speak of? I personally don't think she's mentally ill. Indeed, she's a horrible player at survivor, and a bit unorthodox, constantly bucking the norm, but that doesn't make her crazy. Dave mentioned "cones and rods" in one of his interviews. He's referring to eye/vision anatomy/physiology that isn't known to most lay people and probably requires more education than high school biology or intro biology courses. In one of his interviews he calls her "schizophrenic". Most people use terms like psycho, deranged, delusional, paranoid; schizophrenia is an odd choice because most people think it means someone with multiple personalities, a "Sybil". But in fact, "multiple personalities" is not one of the criteria for a diagnosis of schizophrenia. Further, the criteria for that diagnosis includes many qualities we've seen from Shambo. So that's why I suspect he may know more than the average layperson. I understand and agree with you about people have religious beliefs. I know a lot of people talk to God. You are right. It does not make them crazy. But when one expresses that they have a special connection to God, that God - for many years - has spoken to them, God has actively instructed them to do this - that's where you start wondering into mental illness land. When you add in the fact her belief that she has to do what God has instructed her to do it gets a little more worrisome. It's like the killer who says "the devil told me to do it"...except in her case it's God who told me to do it. It is not the classic "I hear voices" but it is a delusional belief system. As I said, they are all in an extreme situation. Responses will be exaggerated. It's irresponsible for Dave to throw that term out in an interview. But given that belief system of hers and the reactions she's had to the stresses of the game I would say there is something wrong there. Maybe not enough that she needs medication but something that is worrisome.
River50		#83	[-]
Posts: 370 (12/14/09 01:20 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JPOz wrote: River50 wrote: He said his social skills/social game would probably be weakest part of his game and his interviews show why he thought that. Regarding mental illness - Dave has knowledge of medical things the average lay person does not. The things we have seen and heard from Shambo ARE consistent with mental illness. The belief that one has special powers, hearing voices, etc. is consistent with that diagnosis. She is also extremely paranoid and shown signs of delusional beliefs. That being said, she is in an extremely stressful situation which can result in exaggerated behavior and unless he specifically has medical training it's a little irresponsible to throw terms like that around. However, as I've posted elsewhere, if reports that she was asked to be on a future season are true I'm surprised; personally I wouldn't want to be out in the wilds and try to sleep knowing she has access to a machete. What is this special information that Dave has regarding mental illness that the lay person does not have? When did she express a belief that she has special powers? When did she express hearing voices? They are ALL paranoid, that comes with the territory. What are these delusional beliefs that you speak of? I personally don't think she's mentally ill. Indeed, she's a horrible player at survivor, and a bit unorthodox, constantly bucking the norm, but that doesn't make her crazy. Dave mentioned "cones and rods" in one of his interviews. He's referring to eye/vision anatomy/physiology that isn't known to most lay people and probably requires more education than high school biology or intro biology courses. In one of his interviews he calls her "schizophrenic". Most people use terms like psycho, deranged, delusional, paranoid; schizophrenia is an odd choice because most people think it means someone with multiple personalities, a "Sybil". But in fact, "multiple personalities" is not one of the criteria for a diagnosis of schizophrenia. Further, the criteria for that diagnosis includes many qualities we've seen from Shambo. So that's why I suspect he may know more than the average layperson. I understand and agree with you about people have religious beliefs. I know a lot of people talk to God. You are right. It does not make them crazy. But when one expresses that they have a special connection to God, that God - for many years - has spoken to them, God has actively instructed them to do this - that's where you start wondering into mental illness land. When you add in the fact her belief that she has to do what God has instructed her to do it gets a little more worrisome. It's like the killer who says "the devil told me to do it"...except in her case it's God who told me to do it. It is not the classic "I hear voices" but it is a delusional belief system. As I said, they are all in an extreme situation. Responses will be exaggerated. It's irresponsible for Dave to throw that term out in an interview. But given that belief system of hers and the reactions she's had to the stresses of the game I would say there is something wrong there. Maybe not enough that she needs medication but something that is worrisome. Dave could be a medical doctor (which he is not) and have access to all of these medical and psychological terms (which are available to anyone who knows how to use the internet), but if he's not an accredited psychologist or psychiatrist, he has no business making such a judgment. ESPECIALLY in circumstances where ethics would be in question because he can be seen to be extremely personally invested in the diagnosis! So wrong! On so many levels! When did Shambo express a special connection to God that is different from any other religious zealot? She claimed to have a dream that they voted Dave out - and then Russell told her it must be sign from God. There are so many people who have dreams that they think might be prophetic - common. That does not equal crazy. There are so many people who think they are psychic. That does not make them crazy. There are also a bunch of people who think they know the truth because it was handed down by God via the bible (and in some cases, even via their dreams and special prayer connections with God or Jesus or Budha or Allah, or the universe or whatever). That makes up about 98% of us. Shambo never said God actively instructed her to do anything. She described her dream and thought it might be a sign/omen. Chalk it off to nothing more than all of the religious people who think they know the truth about life and the hereafter. Laura, Dave and Shambo have self promoting delusions in common, but the delusions just don't happen to agree with each other. Edited for word usage. sigh Last Edited By: River50 12/14/09 01:32 AM. Edited 2 times.
JPOz		#84	[-]
Posts: 418 (12/14/09 01:37 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 wrote: Dave could be a medical doctor (which he is not) and have access to all of these medical and psychological terms (which are available to anyone who knows how to use the internet), but if he's not an accredited psychologist or psychiatrist, he has no business making such a judgment. ESPECIALLY in circumstances where ethics would be in question because he can be seen to be extremely personally invested in the diagnosis! So wrong! On so many levels! When did Shambo express a special connection to God that is different from any other religious zealot? She claimed to have a dream that they voted Dave out - and then Russell told her it must be sign from God. There are so many people who have dreams that they think might be prophetic - common. That does not equal crazy. There are so many people who think they are psychic. That does not make them crazy. There are also a bunch of people who think they know the truth because it was handed down by God via the bible (and in some cases, even via their dreams and special prayer connections with God or Jesus or Budha or Allah, or the universe or whatever). That makes up about 98% of us. Shambo never said God actively instructed her to do anything. She described her dream and thought it might be a sign/omen. Chalk it off to nothing more than all of the religious people who think they know the truth about life and the hereafter. Laura, Dave and Shambo have self promoting illusions in common, but the illusions just don't happen to agree with each other. RE 1. Yes, I agree, it was very irresponsible of him. Especially given the stress of the situation, one cannot put that label on someone when that's the only basis one has to go on. RE 2. My recollection is that Shambo said in her confessional that God has come to her in her dreams and told her what to do, up to 30 times in her life. And she has acted based on what he has told her to do in those dreams. I will have to review the confessional.
River50		#85	[-]
Posts: 371 (12/14/09 01:41 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JPOz wrote: River50 wrote: Dave could be a medical doctor (which he is not) and have access to all of these medical and psychological terms (which are available to anyone who knows how to use the internet), but if he's not an accredited psychologist or psychiatrist, he has no business making such a judgment. ESPECIALLY in circumstances where ethics would be in question because he can be seen to be extremely personally invested in the diagnosis! So wrong! On so many levels! When did Shambo express a special connection to God that is different from any other religious zealot? She claimed to have a dream that they voted Dave out - and then Russell told her it must be sign from God. There are so many people who have dreams that they think might be prophetic - common. That does not equal crazy. There are so many people who think they are psychic. That does not make them crazy. There are also a bunch of people who think they know the truth because it was handed down by God via the bible (and in some cases, even via their dreams and special prayer connections with God or Jesus or Budha or Allah, or the universe or whatever). That makes up about 98% of us. Shambo never said God actively instructed her to do anything. She described her dream and thought it might be a sign/omen. Chalk it off to nothing more than all of the religious people who think they know the truth about life and the hereafter. Laura, Dave and Shambo have self promoting illusions in common, but the illusions just don't happen to agree with each other. RE 1. Yes, I agree, it was very irresponsible of him. Especially given the stress of the situation, one cannot put that label on someone when that's the only basis one has to go on. RE 2. My recollection is that Shambo said in her confessional that God has come to her in her dreams and told her what to do, up to 30 times in her life. And she has acted based on what he has told her to do in those dreams. I will have to review the confessional. On RE 2: Aw, yes, I think you're right, actually. But I wouldn't base a psychological diagnosis on that confessional. No psychologist would either, I suspect.
JPOz		#86	[-]
Posts: 419 (12/14/09 01:54 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 wrote: JPOz wrote: RE 1. Yes, I agree, it was very irresponsible of him. Especially given the stress of the situation, one cannot put that label on someone when that's the only basis one has to go on. RE 2. My recollection is that Shambo said in her confessional that God has come to her in her dreams and told her what to do, up to 30 times in her life. And she has acted based on what he has told her to do in those dreams. I will have to review the confessional. On RE 2: Aw, yes, I think you're right, actually. But I wouldn't base a psychological diagnosis on that confessional. No psychologist would either, I suspect. Agree. No licensed psychiatrist (M.D.) or Psychologist (Ph.D.) would diagonose anyone based on their behavior while playing Survivor. Especialy the edited pieces we are shown. But it is concerning and like the Amazon cast was worried around Matthew I think she is also worrisome.
River50		#87	[-]
Posts: 374 (12/14/09 02:11 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JPOz wrote: River50 wrote: JPOz wrote: RE 1. Yes, I agree, it was very irresponsible of him. Especially given the stress of the situation, one cannot put that label on someone when that's the only basis one has to go on. RE 2. My recollection is that Shambo said in her confessional that God has come to her in her dreams and told her what to do, up to 30 times in her life. And she has acted based on what he has told her to do in those dreams. I will have to review the confessional. On RE 2: Aw, yes, I think you're right, actually. But I wouldn't base a psychological diagnosis on that confessional. No psychologist would either, I suspect. Agree. No licensed psychiatrist (M.D.) or Psychologist (Ph.D.) would diagonose anyone based on their behavior while playing Survivor. Especialy the edited pieces we are shown. But it is concerning and like the Amazon cast was worried around Matthew I think she is also worrisome. I think Coach was the most worrisome, personally. But shit, in those circumstances, I would probably be a certifiable nut. Dreams would look pretty damn good to me in comparison to reality too. Especially if I had been ostracized from the majority of my tribe members. External circumstances and all that... you know.
JPOz		#88	[-]
Posts: 421 (12/14/09 02:26 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 wrote: I think Coach was the most worrisome, personally. But shit, in those circumstances, I would probably be a certifiable nut. Dreams would look pretty damn good to me in comparison to reality too. Especially if I had been ostracized from the majority of my tribe members. External circumstances and all that... you know. LOL, absolutely. Some of the puzzle pieces got lost...but my impression was that maybe he is just playing it a little tongue-in-cheek, wink and nod. And I hear what you're sayin about bein out there, the game's a tough situation and the perceived ostracization would undoubtedly increase the stress and discomfort. But the hard part for me is knowing that she's had this dream belief for years outside the game; if I'm on the island with her I hope she'd leave that feature at home, or packed in her bag at Ponderosa.
River50		#89	[-]
Posts: 376 (12/14/09 02:31 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JPOz wrote: River50 wrote: I think Coach was the most worrisome, personally. But shit, in those circumstances, I would probably be a certifiable nut. Dreams would look pretty damn good to me in comparison to reality too. Especially if I had been ostracized from the majority of my tribe members. External circumstances and all that... you know. LOL, absolutely. Some of the puzzle pieces got lost...but my impression was that maybe he is just playing it a little tongue-in-cheek, wink and nod. And I hear what you're sayin about bein out there, the game's a tough situation and the perceived ostracization would undoubtedly increase the stress and discomfort. But the hard part for me is knowing that she's had this dream belief for years outside the game; if I'm on the island with her I hope she'd leave that feature at home, or packed in her bag at Ponderosa. Aw, well... maybe it's the circles you run in. I know plenty of people who think they have prophetic dreams or that they are psychic. I also know plenty of people who think they know the undeniable truth about what happens after we die. People usually carry their beliefs with them on their backs like turtles.
lawnmunchkin		#90	[-]
Posts: 450 (12/14/09 09:23 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Viva la removeaducion! Remove this ad JPOz wrote: Dave mentioned "cones and rods" in one of his interviews. He's referring to eye/vision anatomy/physiology that isn't known to most lay people and probably requires more education than high school biology or intro biology courses. In one of his interviews he calls her "schizophrenic". Most people use terms like psycho, deranged, delusional, paranoid; schizophrenia is an odd choice because most people think it means someone with multiple personalities, a "Sybil". But in fact, "multiple personalities" is not one of the criteria for a diagnosis of schizophrenia. Further, the criteria for that diagnosis includes many qualities we've seen from Shambo. So that's why I suspect he may know more than the average layperson. My mother is schizophrenic. From what I've seen of Shambo this season, she is definitely NOT schizophrenic. Socially awkward, yes. Eccentric and nuts, yes, but I just don't see her having a mental illness.
JPOz		#91	[-]
Posts: 426 (12/14/09 10:07 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	lawnmunchkin wrote: My mother is schizophrenic. From what I've seen of Shambo this season, she is definitely NOT schizophrenic. Socially awkward, yes. Eccentric and nuts, yes, but I just don't see her having a mental illness. I'm sorry about your mother, and I hope the care and treatment she is receiving minimizes the difficulties of this condition. As above...Dave Ball called her schizophrenic, it is irresponsible. No trained professional would diagnose based on behavior in those conditions. Diagnostic criteria for any particular mental health disorder consist of a list of traits. Diagnosis is made when individual exhibits many of those traits. There are also diagnoses termed personality disorders for those who demonstrate some of the traits of a major disorder but severity or number or traits is not enough for diagnosis of the major disorder. The extent to which these behavior/traits effect daily life is also taken into consideration. My opinion of her mental health is based on the diagnostic criteria for different mental illnesses. For me she's not right, it's more than social awkwardness, it's inappropriate to call her schizophrenic and you'd have to evaluate based on life in the real world, not realitytv world.
Utopian		#92	[-]
Posts: 6511 (12/14/09 10:15 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I agree, I don't think Dave owned anybody. Dave is full of shit. That speech of his having to do with the merge and it's better to have smaller numbers on your tribe was pure idocy. You go in 8 to 4, yeah it figures the tribe with the lesser numbers will try to grab those from your tribe who feel themselves on the outs. So anticipate that and do something about it, Dave, you wanker. Even offer yourself out as the first to go once the other tribe is eliminated. It's not fucking rocket science, which I guess explains what happened to John.
lawnmunchkin		#93	[-]
Posts: 451 (12/14/09 10:39 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JPOz wrote: lawnmunchkin wrote: My mother is schizophrenic. From what I've seen of Shambo this season, she is definitely NOT schizophrenic. Socially awkward, yes. Eccentric and nuts, yes, but I just don't see her having a mental illness. I'm sorry about your mother, and I hope the care and treatment she is receiving minimizes the difficulties of this condition. As above...Dave Ball called her schizophrenic, it is irresponsible. No trained professional would diagnose based on behavior in those conditions. Diagnostic criteria for any particular mental health disorder consist of a list of traits. Diagnosis is made when individual exhibits many of those traits. There are also diagnoses termed personality disorders for those who demonstrate some of the traits of a major disorder but severity or number or traits is not enough for diagnosis of the major disorder. The extent to which these behavior/traits effect daily life is also taken into consideration. My opinion of her mental health is based on the diagnostic criteria for different mental illnesses. For me she's not right, it's more than social awkwardness, it's inappropriate to call her schizophrenic and you'd have to evaluate based on life in the real world, not realitytv world. One can hope.. someday, but that is another story for another day. There definitely might be something not 'right' with her, however Survivors as far as I know have to go through extensive psychological reviews. I doubt if there was anything seriously wrong with them that they wouldn't let them play the game. From what I've seen it appears Shambo is eccentric, bordering on crazy but she first and foremost is socially awkward. Not to mention, she is human. All of the stress of everyone hating her and treating her like shit, plus the mental stress of the game is probably making her more loopy than normal. I also think editing probably has something to do with it - they want to show us the craziest shit they can.
GrenadeJumper85		#94	[-]
Posts: 14835 (12/14/09 10:40 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	"Well I won my season...." That's all Jenna needed to say to Dave.
JPOz		#95	[-]
Posts: 427 (12/14/09 11:12 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	lawnmunchkin wrote: One can hope.. someday, but that is another story for another day. There definitely might be something not 'right' with her, however Survivors as far as I know have to go through extensive psychological reviews. I doubt if there was anything seriously wrong with them that they wouldn't let them play the game. From what I've seen it appears Shambo is eccentric, bordering on crazy but she first and foremost is socially awkward. Not to mention, she is human. All of the stress of everyone hating her and treating her like shit, plus the mental stress of the game is probably making her more loopy than normal. I also think editing probably has something to do with it - they want to show us the craziest shit they can. God be with you, your mother and your family. If it is helpful, remember the man whom "A Brilliant Mind" was based on; in his later years the severity of symptoms relented and they were able to find more peace and happiness. The screening is thorough and extensive and absolutely agree anyone who causes a red flag to go up would not be out there. My guess is she might meet criteria for one of the personality disorders, which might not have been apparent in screening and might not have ruled her out. Heck, Russell's behavior is not right/not normal and someone who behaved that way IRL would probably not function in society and end up in a mental health clinic. Editing is absolutely creating a story and using pieces which strengthen the storyline. And Sucksters rage on about the boringness of Mick, Natalie, etc. who don't provide these over the top characters. The conflicting comments from those voted off makes it clear we won't ever know what the real truth about the treatment Shambo was subjected to.
SPunKeeMonKee		#96	[-]
Posts: 12884 (12/14/09 12:07 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Dave didn't own anybody, the guy is a delusional asshole who clearly overestimates his strategic capabilities. If anything, he came off like a sore loser revisionist. Jenna/Dalton Survivor Live reunion <3
GrenadeJumper85		#97	[-]
Posts: 14838 (12/14/09 12:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Really though, what the fuck is he talking about? One minute he's talking about how the plan was to eliminate all the Foa Foa's, then he goes back and says that the plan was to dwindle down the Galu numbers to make sure no one flips. Which is it?! He can't even give a solid, truthful answer. I'd be surprised he could even tell his head from his ass.
CoconutPhone		#98	[-]
Posts: 17729 (12/14/09 12:46 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	His argument that a bigger tribe has a bigger risk of flips is easily disproved. Just point out "Exile Island" and the Casaya tribe. Kept it together despite that massive internal friction. Besides which if you take out anyone they can flip to then you remove any options for the POTENTIAL flippers.
chapera rocks		#99	[-]
Posts: 12224 (12/14/09 12:59 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	6-4 is a tighter majority than 6-3 or 8-4. That was his point.
CoconutPhone		#100	[-]
Posts: 17730 (12/14/09 01:35 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Viva la removeaducion! Remove this ad It doesn't matter. You take out your opposing tribe alliance before you take out the people who MAY flip to the opposing side. If there's no one to flip to you make your flippers powerless. Add to that try not ostraszing anyone in your tribe and make them want to flip. Everyone should think there's someone lower than them in the alliance regardless if it's true or not.

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