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JaMalle		#4941	[-]
Posts: 4849 (12/16/09 01:33 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Do not click here, if you like ads Remove this ad Just to throw it out there, CR has been a fantastic and fair Edgicer this season, so these whole "change your avatar" comments are ridiculous and annoying. <_<
BlakeB717		#4942	[-]
Posts: 2640 (12/16/09 01:43 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	scepticA wrote: I think Monica was most likely mixed. She was quite emotional, frustrated that she knew the target was on her back, got the OTTN dude scared and flustered, and tried to break up the Foas with some pretty good arguments. I was never a fan of hers, but totally respected what she was trying to do. Even at TC Russell basically said he respected what she was doing also. M doesn't necessarily mean a bunch of N and a bunch of P. It can also mean playing emotionally throughout, not hiding how you're feeling. When she lost the TC she was pissed and upset because she knew she was the likely boot. Face it - if that happened to you, you'd also probably feel pissed and upset. The difference was, she showed it. She smiled and cackled (sort of!) at TC, and when she was trying to convince Jaison/Mick she was sober and rational. Basically, she was a person who simply displayed her feelings with no pretense of hiding them. Whether this is P or N is almost irrelevant (heck, she was booted), but she was also not hiding a damn thing. This full-bore display of good, bad, anger, glee, frustration, and hope seems somewhat disconcerting to us on this board. I simply saw it as a person with no defenses or barriers left. Definitely M. X Especially with all this debate, the rating should be Mixed (or Neutral...)
Hippochinfat		#4943	[-]
Posts: 470 (12/16/09 02:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JaMalle wrote: Just to throw it out there, CR has been a fantastic and fair Edgicer this season, so these whole "change your avatar" comments are ridiculous and annoying. <_< I was joking, I've gone as far to print out CR's avatar and put it on my wall as a big poster.
chapera rocks		#4944	[-]
Posts: 12254 (12/16/09 02:38 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JaMalle wrote: Just to throw it out there, CR has been a fantastic and fair Edgicer this season, so these whole "change your avatar" comments are ridiculous and annoying. <_< <3 <3 <3
FallenTorch.fantasygamescen...		#4945	[-]
Posts: 237 (12/16/09 03:18 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	chapera rocks wrote: Hippochinfat wrote: Shambo didn't get a neutral when she cackled, she got an N, so that was detrimental to your argument. At least change your avatar before arguing to give Monica a P tone, lol. 1. RVS was arguing that Shambo deserved a neutral that episode. Using that argument was meant to showcase his bias. 2. Everyone has their favourites, whether or not they have them in their avatar. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. 3. I've given Monica three N's and a UTR when the majority gave MOR. 4. Try again. Is it wrong that this made me spit out the water I was drinking while reading this thread? Love ya CR.
Riliss		#4946	[-]
Posts: 6473 (12/16/09 04:26 PM) Ugly on the inside Reply Quote More Recent Posts	CR sucks.
McPhever224		#4947	[-]
Posts: 483 (12/16/09 04:37 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Riliss wrote: CR sucks. CR <333 Rilliss </3
9RedWing19		#4948	[-]
Posts: 2704 (12/16/09 04:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Riliss wrote: CR sucks. CR that's one of the best compliments that you can receive (given who originated the comment). Just in time for Christmas, too - very nice.
getting real		#4949	[-]
Posts: 1981 (12/16/09 04:45 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	scepticA wrote: I think Monica was most likely mixed. She was quite emotional, frustrated that she knew the target was on her back, got the OTTN dude scared and flustered, and tried to break up the Foas with some pretty good arguments. I was never a fan of hers, but totally respected what she was trying to do. Even at TC Russell basically said he respected what she was doing also. M doesn't necessarily mean a bunch of N and a bunch of P. It can also mean playing emotionally throughout, not hiding how you're feeling. When she lost the TC she was pissed and upset because she knew she was the likely boot. Face it - if that happened to you, you'd also probably feel pissed and upset. The difference was, she showed it. She smiled and cackled (sort of!) at TC, and when she was trying to convince Jaison/Mick she was sober and rational. Basically, she was a person who simply displayed her feelings with no pretense of hiding them. Whether this is P or N is almost irrelevant (heck, she was booted), but she was also not hiding a damn thing. This full-bore display of good, bad, anger, glee, frustration, and hope seems somewhat disconcerting to us on this board. I simply saw it as a person with no defenses or barriers left. Definitely M. Sounds both like an argument for OTT for Monica as well as a description for most of us who post here, lol... But, yeah, Mixed it is for the Moniker that knows no barriers.
Riliss		#4950	[-]
Posts: 6477 (12/16/09 05:10 PM) Ugly on the inside Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Do not click here, if you like ads Remove this ad 9RedWing19 wrote: Riliss wrote: CR sucks. CR that's one of the best compliments that you can receive (given who originated the comment). Just in time for Christmas, too - very nice. I'm the gift that keeps on giving. Like a couple with a urinary tract infection. Seriously though, Amanda wins.
cindidindi76		#4951	[-]
Posts: 20956 (12/16/09 05:13 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	RobVanStratus wrote: craig wrote: Still no strong arguments against Monica being P. (1) "That's a good point by Kitty, that she was an underdog by circumstance and not by edit." Ciricumstance is the biggest determinent of edit. Russell was an OTTN villian at the start, but the circustance of him playing valiantly as an underdog at the merge made him P for awhile. Hell, Steph was P in S10 largely because of the cicumstancxe of being the last Ulong. (2) "I would call her N, because this whole season we've been meant to root for FF (+Shambo) and especially Russell." It's silly to give episode ratings a priori, based on who you think we're supposed to root for overall. Just because we learned to dislike Russ at the start of the game, doesn't mean he can't be P in the Kelly boot episode. (3) "I hope both OTH and flf take into consideration the tone average before casting their votes." Likewise, they should recall that premerge she received several Ns based on flimsy arguments and a flisy majority. Sorry craig but the arguments for her being positive are flimsy. She is simply the token pretty white girl of the season ... SHE'S. NOT. WHITE.
Riliss		#4952	[-]
Posts: 6483 (12/16/09 05:31 PM) Ugly on the inside Reply Quote More Recent Posts
chapera rocks		#4953	[-]
Posts: 12256 (12/16/09 06:00 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	9RedWing19 wrote: Riliss wrote: CR sucks. CR that's one of the best compliments that you can receive (given who originated the comment). Just in time for Christmas, too - very nice. I know, right! <3 It makes me tingle with excitement.
Warrior	Close call	#4954	[-]
Posts: 3000 (12/16/09 06:31 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	flf...Please
panurge46		#4955	[-]
Posts: 1589 (12/16/09 06:46 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I always find arguments over tone, especially for a booted player pointless but, for Monica, the key was that she was meant to amuse the audience. All the scenes that made Russell huff and puff were intended to show how he doesn't like being manipulated. Jeff's comment that the student learned from the teacher was Monica's story for this episode. THAT was high praise so that makes her positive. No spin, just straight description from the host.
MasterDarkNinja		#4956	[-]
Posts: 2957 (12/16/09 07:01 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Werwanderflugen wrote: I'm sorry if this is an obvious question, but how would the MORD change if Russell's ratings were taken out of the equation? Zero changes, unless you consider who else would get the air time that Russell got, which is just speculation. It doesn't matter if you're in a season with a million other players, or a season with just 1 player, a 1.54 MOR Diff would still be a 1.54 MOR Diff. Edit: On second thought getting rid of Russell in the ratings WOULD effect the MOR Diff a bit, because everyone's visibility would get a boost in the chart. Not having Russell around with his 100+ VF factor would lower the VF average, and make it easier to get a higher visibility in an episode. Last Edited By: MasterDarkNinja 12/16/09 07:25 PM. Edited 1 times.
RobVanStratus		#4957	[-]
Posts: 9597 (12/16/09 07:02 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Shambo laughing at Laura losing the IC was built up all season long and in that episode. It was well deserved for a bitch. Even so, if you think she deserved an N for laughing at a NEGATIVE player, Monica deserves an N for laughing at NEGATIVE player and being labeled as a bitch. You can't have it both ways. If you're gonna argue I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too, you can't be doing the same thing.
chapera rocks		#4958	[-]
Posts: 12258 (12/16/09 07:10 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	RobVanStratus wrote: Shambo laughing at Laura losing the IC was built up all season long and in that episode. It was well deserved for a bitch. Even so, if you think she deserved an N for laughing at a NEGATIVE player, Monica deserves an N for laughing at NEGATIVE player and being labeled as a bitch. You can't have it both ways. If you're gonna argue I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too, you can't be doing the same thing. Laura, IMO, had no tone that episode. And to have a cackle inserted in where it wasn't really to make you look evil is OTTN. They could have given her a nice confessional about taking out Laura, they didn't. She was made to look vindictive. Laura was going out, she was being kicked while she was down. Russell was OTTN this episode, and it was backed up by Probst. That's not having cake and eating it to.
panurge46		#4959	[-]
Posts: 1590 (12/16/09 07:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	RobVanStratus wrote: Shambo laughing at Laura losing the IC was built up all season long and in that episode. It was well deserved for a bitch. Even so, if you think she deserved an N for laughing at a NEGATIVE player, Monica deserves an N for laughing at NEGATIVE player and being labeled as a bitch. You can't have it both ways. If you're gonna argue I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too, you can't be doing the same thing. Wow! I have to comment on this! There was a huge difference in the situations: Shambutch was on the winning side, laughing at a defeated player. That's extremely poor sportsmanship. Monica was making good out of a bad situation, laughing at the self-proclaimed king who was not quite as much in control as he said he was.
RobVanStratus		#4960	[-]
Posts: 9598 (12/16/09 07:36 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Do not click here, if you like ads Remove this ad And yet when push came to shove, Russell was in just as much control as he was before Monica scrambled. Foa Foa/Shambo completely loyal to him. Monica's scrambling was useless and bitchy for no good reason. She's still gonna get OTTN from me in my ratings because that's what she is. One note bitch in the last episode.

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