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SuperJude		#161	[-]
Posts: 15925 (12/19/09 01:52 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Constant change is here to stay. Remove this ad I grew up in NY. "Christian" meant you worshipped god and his son. I didn't realize there was a whole subset of people (WHITE EUROPEANS) who had their own group that they call Christian. They have Christian Books (but NOT the bible, mind you), Christian Churches, Christian Getaways. All I know is a lot of white guys make a lot of fucking money being ministers. If you aren't Catholic, you hate Jesus. Fact. -SJ™
JPOz		#162	[-]
Posts: 534 (12/19/09 01:53 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 wrote: You don't think that suddenly introducing the prayer warriors this last episode came off as trite and made the prayer warriors seem rather foolish? As much as the idealist in me would like to entertain the idea that production left all of that stuff out previously because certain demographics might be offended - what I really think is that the editors did it for effect to garner a more shock value episode (as I suggested by posting the trading spouses clip in this thread). They probably thought shit like this is reality TV gold and capitalized. Consequently, they tried to create shock value by editing the religion story out as much as possible until that episode. Had we been slowly introduced to the religious ideology that could potentially drive some of the characters' decisions (and future decisions, like votes), it would not have seemed so out of the blue and extreme. With productions fascination with stereotypes, and their need to make shocking (and what they would think more interesting) reality TV episodes, this is a far more viable explanation to why we've only seen this shit just now. St. Jude wrote: Natalie = playing for jury votes. Could that not have been made any more obvious? -SJ™ Besides, WTF ARE CHRISTIAN BOOKS AND WHY WOULD YOU MENTION THEM IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BIBLE?!?!?! The Christian/Religion bond was introduced when Luara came to Foa...it was how Luara and Natalie bonded. Bond they developed allowed Natalie to go to Luara prior to first merge vote and editing has made it appear that conversation resulted in Erik boot. It also showed Russhole's arrogance and misogyny when Natalie told him she arranged Erik's execution. Now religion is brought back in. Burnett loves the underdog coming out on top. Jude is right. Natalie's religious beliefs will help her with jury that includes Brett and Luara, especially since Luara can influence Kelly, Monica and Dave. In post-Africa interviews Brandon reported that other gays asked him about Silas; he told them Silas constantly quoted the Bible and that was a major turn-off. We never saw any religious stuff from Silas - it wasn't relevant to the story. Edgic may blow up but the little airtime Natalie has received emphasizes her strategy was to work with Russell and was ok being in his shadow because it was working for her. That she wasn't a helpless bimbo, she was hungry and went out and killed a rat. That religion helped her bond with jurors and effect the vote which started Galu landslide. I know Edgic is creaming it's pants that Mick will win and Russtards will kill themselves if he does not win but for all of his boasting about how easy it is to win maybe she will show sometimes simple and straightforward is better/easier. Last Edited By: JPOz 12/19/09 01:55 AM. Edited 1 times.
nutt		#163	[-]
Posts: 304 (12/19/09 01:58 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SuperJude wrote: No, they made that clear. Not to say she doesn't believe half of what she's saying, but the whole "Russell and Natalie are together to the end" bit was quite illuminating, all things consdidered. Plus the whole "have a GREAT time!" bit before they left for the reward. -SJ™ Agreed. Natalie is a prayer warrior to some degree...but what should be learned from the episode is Natalie, without a doubt, got Bretts vote. I am convinced that Natalie wins this whole thing. The edit is making me more sure every week.
ThrowMeGabon		#164	[-]
Posts: 1207 (12/19/09 02:01 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SuperJude wrote: I grew up in NY. "Christian" meant you worshipped god and his son. I didn't realize there was a whole subset of people (WHITE EUROPEANS) who had their own group that they call Christian. They have Christian Books (but NOT the bible, mind you), Christian Churches, Christian Getaways. All I know is a lot of white guys make a lot of fucking money being ministers. If you aren't Catholic, you hate Jesus. Fact. -SJ™ Catholics are just as guilty with their saints, pope, vatican, confessionals, praying to God's hoe Mary and typically going to church twice a year. Both are guilty of slapping some books on the Torah and calling it a new religion, as are Muslims. If these Abrahamic desert gods ever go out of fashion, we're going to look so much worse than the Greeks.
SuperJude		#165	[-]
Posts: 15929 (12/19/09 03:46 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yeah I was just trolling. I don't fault faith. Faith is a strange and powerful thing. What I fault is people thinking that if there is a superior being, it gives a shit about our trivialities. I also think we as a race are too stupid to comprehend such a being. We don't even know how our PC's work ffs. The people who do wouldn't be able to make a decent movie with a million dollars and Brad Pitt. And on and on </vonnegut> -SJ™
rennyat		#166	[-]
Posts: 3276 (12/19/09 05:53 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SuperJude wrote: I grew up in NY. "Christian" meant you worshipped god and his son. I didn't realize there was a whole subset of people (WHITE EUROPEANS) who had their own group that they call Christian. They have Christian Books (but NOT the bible, mind you), Christian Churches, Christian Getaways. All I know is a lot of white guys make a lot of fucking money being ministers. If you aren't Catholic, you hate Jesus. Fact. -SJ™ No, SJ, if you aren't Catholic, you hate Mary.
rennyat		#167	[-]
Posts: 3277 (12/19/09 06:02 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Brett, aka as "Jonathon."
rennyat		#168	[-]
Posts: 3278 (12/19/09 06:10 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Brett's latest tee shirt design:
River50		#169	[-]
Posts: 513 (12/19/09 05:08 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JPOz wrote: River50 wrote: You don't think that suddenly introducing the prayer warriors this last episode came off as trite and made the prayer warriors seem rather foolish? As much as the idealist in me would like to entertain the idea that production left all of that stuff out previously because certain demographics might be offended - what I really think is that the editors did it for effect to garner a more shock value episode (as I suggested by posting the trading spouses clip in this thread). They probably thought shit like this is reality TV gold and capitalized. Consequently, they tried to create shock value by editing the religion story out as much as possible until that episode. Had we been slowly introduced to the religious ideology that could potentially drive some of the characters' decisions (and future decisions, like votes), it would not have seemed so out of the blue and extreme. With productions fascination with stereotypes, and their need to make shocking (and what they would think more interesting) reality TV episodes, this is a far more viable explanation to why we've only seen this shit just now. St. Jude wrote: Natalie = playing for jury votes. Could that not have been made any more obvious? -SJ™ Besides, WTF ARE CHRISTIAN BOOKS AND WHY WOULD YOU MENTION THEM IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BIBLE?!?!?! The Christian/Religion bond was introduced when Luara came to Foa...it was how Luara and Natalie bonded. Bond they developed allowed Natalie to go to Luara prior to first merge vote and editing has made it appear that conversation resulted in Erik boot. It also showed Russhole's arrogance and misogyny when Natalie told him she arranged Erik's execution. Now religion is brought back in. Burnett loves the underdog coming out on top. Jude is right. Natalie's religious beliefs will help her with jury that includes Brett and Luara, especially since Luara can influence Kelly, Monica and Dave. In post-Africa interviews Brandon reported that other gays asked him about Silas; he told them Silas constantly quoted the Bible and that was a major turn-off. We never saw any religious stuff from Silas - it wasn't relevant to the story. Edgic may blow up but the little airtime Natalie has received emphasizes her strategy was to work with Russell and was ok being in his shadow because it was working for her. That she wasn't a helpless bimbo, she was hungry and went out and killed a rat. That religion helped her bond with jurors and effect the vote which started Galu landslide. I know Edgic is creaming it's pants that Mick will win and Russtards will kill themselves if he does not win but for all of his boasting about how easy it is to win maybe she will show sometimes simple and straightforward is better/easier. Isn't Dave is also religious? So his religious identity could also have an effect on how he votes and who influences him on the jury. Part of the story too is that Natalie should have been perceived as a major social threat and they should have gunned for her - she can lock in the jury votes. She is simply not perceived by the others as a threat. I seriously don't understand Jaison and Russell's reasoning that they need to get rid of Shambo because she couldn't win against Brett in an immunity challenge. It's an individual game now, it's not like Shambo is playing immunity for the team. At this point, they should want the weaker people in the game so they can beat them. Last Edited By: River50 12/19/09 05:11 PM. Edited 1 times.
crisdizzle		#170	[-]
Posts: 54 (12/19/09 05:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Constant change is here to stay. Remove this ad
JPOz		#171	[-]
Posts: 550 (12/19/09 05:27 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 wrote: Isn't Dave is also religious? So his religious identity could also have an effect on how he votes and who influences him on the jury. Part of the story too is that Natalie should have been perceived as a major social threat and they should have gunned for her - she can lock in the jury votes. She is simply not perceived by the others as a threat. I seriously don't understand Jaison and Russell's reasoning that they need to get rid of Shambo because she couldn't win against Brett in an immunity challenge. It's an individual game now, it's not like Shambo is playing immunity for the team. At this point, they should want the weaker people in the game so they can beat them. Dave is religious but I'm not sure how a SexNinja cult would translate well to Southern Baptist or New Age Christian. The group's goal going into IC is to beat Brett so he can be voted out. Doesn't matter which one of the other 4 wins, they need one of those 4 to win. Mick more likely to win an IC than Shambo, Shambo goes.
River50		#172	[-]
Posts: 515 (12/19/09 05:41 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JPOz wrote: River50 wrote: Isn't Dave is also religious? So his religious identity could also have an effect on how he votes and who influences him on the jury. Part of the story too is that Natalie should have been perceived as a major social threat and they should have gunned for her - she can lock in the jury votes. She is simply not perceived by the others as a threat. I seriously don't understand Jaison and Russell's reasoning that they need to get rid of Shambo because she couldn't win against Brett in an immunity challenge. It's an individual game now, it's not like Shambo is playing immunity for the team. At this point, they should want the weaker people in the game so they can beat them. Dave is religious but I'm not sure how a SexNinja cult would translate well to Southern Baptist or New Age Christian. The group's goal going into IC is to beat Brett so he can be voted out. Doesn't matter which one of the other 4 wins, they need one of those 4 to win. Mick more likely to win an IC than Shambo, Shambo goes. Right, but even with this reasoning they don't take Natalie into consideration at all.
MyButtholeHurts		#173	[-]
Posts: 43 (12/19/09 09:45 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sabina Sperber wrote: So, what exactly then do you think that God gives "a crap about?" Oh yeah, only prayers for the sick, dying and for you to finally get a date. No, the ONLY thing "God" cares about is how many coconuts a team makes fall in a contest on a game show. Natalie told us herself!! He neglected all of His other duties while that was going on, just to help them!!! I love God...He really knows what's important!!!!
JPOz		#174	[-]
Posts: 555 (12/19/09 09:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	River50 wrote: JPOz wrote: The group's goal going into IC is to beat Brett so he can be voted out. Doesn't matter which one of the other 4 wins, they need one of those 4 to win. Mick more likely to win an IC than Shambo, Shambo goes. Right, but even with this reasoning they don't take Natalie into consideration at all. That is CORRECT and a major flaw in the plan. Nat as likely as Shambo to beat Brett at IC but Nat more likely to get jury votes. Nat should have gone. They didn't consider her as an option though. That was INCORRECT. Last Edited By: JPOz 12/19/09 10:06 PM. Edited 1 times.
Francois40		#175	[-]
Posts: 2853 (12/19/09 09:57 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The first seasons weren't afraid to show people's religious affiliation, especially if they were heavily religious. The only negative thing I've heard about theism was Rudy wiping his ass with Dirk's bible (classic). As the show's gone on, we've seen less and less prayer warrior edits. Don't forget Leslie in China, and the religious "turmoil" she experienced, starting the very first day.
River50		#176	[-]
Posts: 516 (12/19/09 10:32 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JPOz wrote: River50 wrote: JPOz wrote: The group's goal going into IC is to beat Brett so he can be voted out. Doesn't matter which one of the other 4 wins, they need one of those 4 to win. Mick more likely to win an IC than Shambo, Shambo goes. Right, but even with this reasoning they don't take Natalie into consideration at all. That is CORRECT and a major flaw in the plan. Nat as likely as Shambo to beat Brett at IC but Nat more likely to get jury votes. Nat should have gone. They didn't consider her as an option though. That was INCORRECT. Yay, I got something correct! Thanks Joh... er uhmmm... JPO.
crisdizzle		#177	[-]
Posts: 59 (12/19/09 10:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts
Trigo		#178	[-]
Posts: 213 (12/20/09 06:50 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	rennyat wrote: Brett's latest tee shirt design:
River50		#179	[-]
Posts: 522 (12/20/09 12:49 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think prayer warrior Natalie will win this thing, and that god might care a little because "she's sweet as a peach."
River50		#180	[-]
Posts: 566 (12/20/09 09:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Constant change is here to stay. Remove this ad River50 wrote: I think prayer warrior Natalie will win this thing, and that god might care a little because "she's sweet as a peach." Aw, I was right in the end. god does care a little bit.

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