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S-19 Edgic (editing and logic)

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Professor Prude		#5601	[-]
Posts: 112 (12/20/09 10:39 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Join forum supporters Remove this ad Oh shut the fuck up Hippochinfat, we all know you're a Blake ghostnic. You're so full of shit, and if you actually cared about "everyone having fun" you wouldn't sit there berating someone and taking sides. You're a fucking moron Blake.
AbbyGirl		#5602	[-]
Posts: 94 (12/20/09 10:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Congrats to GR and those who picked Natalie without being influenced by spoilers. If I had not been doing Edgic, my picks would have been Mick and Natalie over Mick and Jaison. Even though Natalie was ignored the first three weeks, she did have the anti Russell story and it is not unusual for a female Survivor winner to be UTR. Natalie was a first to be invisible, UTR the first three weeks so that is what threw me off. If that was due to Russell's dominance of air time we can't say for sure, but I think it was. I think for Edgic to keep "up with the times" after this season, changes to the guidelines have to be made. Something along the lines of: If the winner is a female or older male such as Bob, and there is an obvious OTT player taking up air time like Russell has, the female or older male may be invisible or ignored the first few weeks but will have a story down the road that will most likely be somehow connected to the OTT character. The player will also skew positive. That is all I can think of to help us find an UTR winner such as Natalie, Danni, or Bob in the game. Anyone who is gloating over Natalie's win is only making themselves look bad. Show some class like Blake is doing. There was nothing wrong with Mick being an Edgic pick this season due to the anamoly of Russell. Those that picked Natalie often used that excuse, so let it go guys. Anyone who picked Natalie not because of her story, but because they were pretty sure she won because a spoiler said so... well, you don't belong in Edgic.
BlakeB717		#5603	[-]
Posts: 2754 (12/20/09 10:40 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Hehe, interesting that you say that, astro. My post was completely sincere. I think it shows that last season, when I got JT, and was completely gracious, that I would not have done the say. Regarding me being spoiled, I'm not sure which IM you are referring to. I do, however, have many on my AIM buddylist who for (countless) seasons have attempted to "spoil" me because they do not like my participation in Edgic. When I have been on AIM, I have had at least one conversation open, so that incase I get a message from someone I don't trust, I can X it out without having to see it. For example: Ever since mypoody told me the screenname of the initial attack, I knew that it was the same group I used to socialize with that were attacking the forum. I took a screen cap of one of the attacks from earlier today on my AIM (image above) in case they PM'd someone with it. I'm not dummy. Note my mouse on the X: never had to open the IM, thus I never saw anything I was sent. Why not block them? I would, but the large variety of IMs I've received since yesterday, it was impossible to keep myself spoiler proof unless I did this. I am not spoiled, but thanks for your accusations, astro. Always a pleasure (by the way, when I sent you that IM last night, I knew you were trying to accuse me, and it's nice to know that you had the audacity to be fake to my face in your reply). Grow up. It's getting old.
BlakeB717		#5604	[-]
Posts: 2755 (12/20/09 10:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I LUV TIJUANA wrote: dissimilis wrote: I read spoilers and hence don't really post here much, but read every single post...after the F3 spoiler came out, there was still very, very little support for Natalie in here...at the time the spoiler came out everyone here was still backing Mick. It wasnt until it became clear around the merge that Mick had ZERO story and it was obvious Russell wouldnt win that any real Natalie support started. I'm just happy that the most condescending douche bag on Sucks, Blake, has to eat a whole lot shit tonight for the way he acted the entire season. Especially given the fact that he saw Mick, Natalie and Russell as viable winners choices just after the F3 spoilers. Ironic? I think not. Mick was my pick from Episode 1. Natalie and Russell I eliminated in Episode 1 without revival. If these spoilers came out in October, then I guess my Mick pick early on was 3 weeks psychic? Again, please grow up. It is getting old.
BlakeB717		#5605	[-]
Posts: 2756 (12/20/09 10:45 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Professor Prude wrote: Oh shut the fuck up Hippochinfat, we all know you're a Blake ghostnic. You're so full of shit, and if you actually cared about "everyone having fun" you wouldn't sit there berating someone and taking sides. You're a fucking moron Blake. I would love validation by an admin to check our IP addresses. :)
YemaGrl1988		#5606	[-]
Posts: 8387 (12/20/09 10:46 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	lol failage. <3
garyw		#5607	[-]
Posts: 330 (12/20/09 10:55 PM) I don't take hints Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Either way this season was now amazing due to the ending that fat arrogant prick got put in his place and most likely will do again in s20 if he continues to act the way he did tonight.
MasterDarkNinja		#5608	[-]
Posts: 2969 (12/20/09 10:56 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	All I can say is that this is the worst season edit ever to explain the winner, and the worst winner edit ever. Natalie makes Danni look like ubber visibility distraction. Seriously, it's one thing to make the F2 loser into the guy who lost the jury vote and had the jury vote against them and the winner into the person who won by default against them, but to just let the winner get dissed and called a mindless puppet and dumb and to give them no confessionals or other airtime to counter that image in the same episode, that's really stupid. At least make more of an effort at showing that the winner did something other then ride coattails, and to show that they aren't so mindless and dumb like the big villain is saying editors. To those who said that Russell winning would be worst for edgic I strongly disagree, this season now shows us that we cannot eliminate anyone for being too UTR/INV, no matter how quiet they are (unless it builds up to Brett type quiet, then maybe), and a lot more people are too UTR/INV to win then too visible/too much of a distraction to win. Plus a Russell win we could have written off as "this is how an OTTN bastard who outwits everyone and wins the game would be edited". Natalie's win you can't write off that easily. One thing is clear after this season, winners are getting less typical of what they used to be edited like. Bob for example was very UTR, and was usually OTT when he wasn't UTR in the first half of the season. JT in my opinion just felt too OTT overall to win, but I was doing casual edgicing that season. That's why we need to rewrite the edgic guidelines some, the edits are evolving and the guidelines need to reflect that.
JaimeCat22		#5609	[-]
Posts: 424 (12/20/09 10:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	You basically can't do edgic with any degree of reliability after this season. At least not with the current guidelines. A Darrah or Becky can't be eliminated now. No one really can. Danni was the beginning of the end of edgic. Natalie is the end of the end of edgic. No shame in it. Just the way it is.
SFC		#5610	[-]
Posts: 944 (12/20/09 10:58 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Join forum supporters Remove this ad Blake, I know you and I argued some during the season but you're acting better after "Losing" then alot of others are doing after "Winning".
Hippochinfat		#5611	[-]
Posts: 524 (12/20/09 10:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Professor Prude wrote: Oh shut the fuck up Hippochinfat, we all know you're a Blake ghostnic. You're so full of shit, and if you actually cared about "everyone having fun" you wouldn't sit there berating someone and taking sides. You're a fucking moron Blake. stfu fagget i was bein nice but im not gun take shit from a fag bag like u, how bout u go fuk urself u homo bitch mo fo u dont even no wat edgic is cuz ur so dum i bet u srtarted watching survivor last wek u HOMO GUY!
guatemala fanfic	Reply to JediJake	#5612	[-]
Posts: 5529 (12/20/09 10:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jedijake wrote: Thank you gf for verifying what I was saying. Okay, maybe some people knew or didn't know spoilers and can or can't separate the dichotomy of spoilers and spec. However, one thing that is certain is that here at Edgic we have several things going on (and I am guilty of it too). We have Edgic discussion which uses numerical data. We also have storylines and plot themes and quotes, etc. So, maybe, whether Survivor continues much longer or not, we need to decipher what is and isn't supposed to be discussed here at Edgic. Some people don't care about numbers and differentials, etc. Personally, I look at confessionals and ratings as indicators, but now that will all change dramatically. The problem is that only Russell, Jaison, and Shambo had stories (interesting how Jeff changed the focus to those 3 to see who would vote for who). This season tips the scale-well it actually tosses the scale to the floor. The big question is where the hell do we go now? Yes, very well said, JediJake, and I am the same way. Sometimes I find myself discussing things or posting something and then say "Well, this isn't really Edgic," but it's because I only really read this thread and my fanfic thread in LTS so I don't have another place to discuss the show. And it's true that there's a fine line of distinction because if I was looking at the 'editing', I would say Natalie's win makes sense and could be explained. But when I think of 'Edgic' I think of the ratings and the "guidelines" and the INVs and the three UTR1s post-merge and that's what gets me. If you throw in confessional analysis, Natalie having 7 episodes with 0 confessionals is another strike against her. I think there has to be a way to incorporate all of these things in and show that they all have some place in determining the winner. Maybe the ratings aren't the largest part. For instance, we could say "A winner typically isn't INV or ignored in large stretches, but a winner who is generally UTR but still is part of a central relationship or clearly fits into a larger established storyline (ie. Natalie and Russell) should not be discounted solely for this reason." Things like that. There's definitely different variables that come into play. If that player is tied to a "strong character" (however that is defined), it exacerbates the degree of UTR even more (ie. Bob and Natalie, maybe even Amber). Last Edited By: guatemala fanfic 12/20/09 11:01 PM. Edited 1 times.
astroline		#5613	[-]
Posts: 2988 (12/20/09 10:59 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Blake, why would people be IM'ing me and PM'ing me on here if it wasn't true? I don't even know who those people are and yet they're going out of their way to prove to me that you're spoiled and a liar. And based on your track record of being a condescending douche, I have no reason not to believe them. Maybe so many people wouldn't be trying to accuse you and blackmail of things if they WEREN'T so against your participation in Edgic. When you have so many people against you for so many different (and valid) reasons, it's not all of us, Blake, it's you. I wasn't fake to you in that reply, I think I was pretty toneless (just like Mick all season long like I tried telling you and backing it up with countless winner stats, but no, you shot all of it down), I wasn't going to give you the pleasure either way. But when I got that PM afterward with PROOF, and seeing your fake ass "apology" post, where you didn't actually apologize for anything, I'm not going to stand for it. You ruined Edgic for me a lot of others. I know I've been a big contributor to the negative atmosphere around Edgic but you brought it out in so many of us with your horrible attitude. I hope you're proud of yourself.
BlakeB717		#5614	[-]
Posts: 2757 (12/20/09 11:00 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Thank you. I appreciate it. I don't mind the "Blake needs to hang himself he got Edgic wrong his life has no value!!" posts, but the spoiler stuff is very annoying. I enjoy disproving them<3
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter		#5615	[-]
Posts: 1749 (12/20/09 11:00 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	MasterDarkNinja wrote: All I can say is that this is the worst season edit ever to explain the winner SEG hates edgic.
Quiddity		#5616	[-]
Posts: 6839 (12/20/09 11:01 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	MasterDarkNinja wrote: All I can say is that this is the worst season edit ever to explain the winner, and the worst winner edit ever. Natalie makes Danni look like ubber visibility distraction. Seriously, it's one thing to make the F2 loser into the guy who lost the jury vote and had the jury vote against them and the winner into the person who won by default against them, but to just let the winner get dissed and called a mindless puppet and dumb and to give them no confessionals or other airtime to counter that image in the same episode, that's really stupid. At least make more of an effort at showing that the winner did something other then ride coattails, and to show that they aren't so mindless and dumb like the big villain is saying editors. To those who said that Russell winning would be worst for edgic I strongly disagree, this season now shows us that we cannot eliminate anyone for being too UTR/INV, no matter how quiet they are (unless it builds up to Brett type quiet, then maybe), and a lot more people are too UTR/INV to win then too visible/too much of a distraction to win. Plus a Russell win we could have written off as "this is how an OTTN bastard who outwits everyone and wins the game would be edited". Natalie's win you can't write off that easily. One thing is clear after this season, winners are getting less typical of what they used to be edited like. Bob for example was very UTR, and was usually OTT when he wasn't UTR in the first half of the season. JT in my opinion just felt too OTT overall to win, but I was doing casual edgicing that season. That's why we need to rewrite the edgic guidelines some, the edits are evolving and the guidelines need to reflect that. I think it shows that like in Guatemala and other seasons, the editors focus on making the show exciting and bringing in viewers moreso than editing a particular storyline or editing it such that you can figure out who the winner is. The editors definately could have given Natalie a better edit, just like they could have given Danni a better one. But at the end of the day, its getting people to watch the show thats most important and giving lots of airtime to people with personalities like Natalie's or Danni's does not do that. Hence they focus on the Russells and Stephenies of the world, far to the winner's detriment from an editing standpoint.
YemaGrl1988		#5617	[-]
Posts: 8388 (12/20/09 11:02 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	BlakeB717 wrote: Thank you. I appreciate it. I don't mind the "Blake needs to hang himself he got Edgic wrong his life has no value!!" posts, but the spoiler stuff is very annoying. I enjoy disproving them<3 Don't deny that you haven't read spoilers before...
BlakeB717		#5618	[-]
Posts: 2758 (12/20/09 11:05 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	astro, if you received IMs from any of the following: -ssseeeaaannn -yournamehere488 -stevebo 412 -Aeropostale676 -Its Oh So Bjork -rotukucha45 -dvgromp1 -gmmarty8 Then their absolute distain for me should not surprise you. I've seen you in a chat with some of them anyways, so I can't be surprised if you're in on it too. Considering the "belleisbeautiful" PM I got was titled "astro wanted me to tell you", which I didn't open, then I cant help but think they were smart in picking someone who dislikes me so much to make their spokesperson. These people know that Edgic means something to me, so their attempt to take it away (since China) again shouldn't be shocking. Considering their willingness to post spoilers in spec threads shouldn't surprise you that they would indeed go out of their way to do that to me. They're horrible people :) Either way, leave this crap out of this thread. If I was spoiled, I'd not incorperate winner contenders, which I think should be cut from next season possibly anyways. I'm getting tired. You're being a big baby. Last Edited By: BlakeB717 12/20/09 11:09 PM. Edited 2 times.
BlakeB717		#5619	[-]
Posts: 2759 (12/20/09 11:06 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Don't deny that you haven't read spoilers before... Last time I read them was S12 or S13 I think? Then I found Edgic near the tail-end of S13 and dropped spoilers and adopted Edgic. It made things way more fun and refreshing.
JaimeCat22		#5620	[-]
Posts: 428 (12/20/09 11:06 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Join forum supporters Remove this ad So is next season the one where everyone in this thread will pretend they haven't read the bootlist but still miraculously predict the spoiled winner anyway? Just checking in advance.

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