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HagridOfTheDeep |
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Hello. I've been watching this thread throughout the season and have really enjoyed seeing how different edits can signal certain outcomes. I've never
really posted, but it's interesting stuff. I think it would be a total shame to get rid of Edgic, because I think a few tweaks can be made to the
guidelines that would certainly account for the more recent anomalies that have supposedly 'ruined' the Edgic system.
Someone proposed this a while back. There needs to be some sort of guideline for an OTTx winner. Russell may not have won this time around, but he came close, and I believe that if he didwin, he wouldn't have been edited any differently. Characters like Russell, Bob, Rupert, Johnny Fairplay, Coach... These are all big personalities - not because of editing necessarily, but just because it's the way they actually were in-game... The producers can appreciate them for their entertainment value. These people can still win, as evidenced by Gabon's Bob win. OTT and/or high visibility characters can be edgically viable as a winner's pick if they are edited consistently (in tone), and are shown making strategic moves that advance the story of the season. Bob and his idols. Russell and his puppet-master persona. This criteria would still be able to debunk characters who were obvious distractions, such as Coach. As far as I can remember, he was not edited as having made any really pivotal strategic decisions. The same can be attributed to low visibility winners like Natalie. Characters with consistently low visibility can win, so long as they fit into a season's theme. This mainly applies when their low visibility can be attributed to the presence of 'Entertainment Gold,' high-vis. competitors. But for seasons like Samoa, story needs to become everything. There needs to be some kind of categorical flag that can be set off in Edgic - "This season is an anomaly because of x, y, and z, therefore story-lines hold greater importance. Either way, I don't think Edgic is dead. And sorry for making a big post like this when I have no rep. or the post count to back it up. But this talk of the end of Edgic is really premature, especially when the recent anomalies can definitely be grouped together and be easily accounted for.
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Jedijake |
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Since the topic of storylines has come up, let me ask this question.
Was the outcome of this season a vote for the winner or votes against the runners up? The reason I ask is that very little time was spent on Russell being a snake and no attention was given to specific examples until the reunion when everyone had watched the season. Meanwhile, Natalie was either not given an opportunity or never even thought of bringing up the fact that she played a "good" social game. She never defended herself. In every other season we can say whether it was a vote for or against someone. This season, we may never know why the winner won. |
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FUCK YOU BLAKE!!!
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dissimilis |
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Jedijake wrote: I thought she did defend her game, she just doesnt have the type of aggressive personality to make her point strongly. She said she had the intuition to align with the right person, that she realized she couldnt be an aggressive female in this particular season since she watched Marisa and Betsy get voted out and she said she was making friendships behind the scenes. Whether you were impressed with her game or not, she did point out the key points that got her to the end...Erik did a much more passionate job of defending her game though |
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BlakeB717 |
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astroline wrote:Goodbye. I have bit my tongue since I started posting in here again with you. Your 0/6 or 1/7 track record has been a great help. |
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DaWaterRat |
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I haven't posted in ages. I realize this gives me the credibility of a potato, but I'll risk it.
I don't post in Edgic because I don't have the energy to deal with the drama, or to seriously watch the episodes trying to determine ratings, and I read the spoilers forum to get the transcripts of the Insider. So I figure between all of that, I really don't have a place in Edgic. But I do read it, and have for several seasons (Survivor 7, I think). And I'm going to support the idea that maybe Edgic is forgetting that there's more than one logic going on here. There's the logic of the mathematics. The numbers represented by the various ratings. That's the MOR Diferential. This is the logic most Edgic posters seem to cling to. There's the logic of the game. The answer to "What would be the right move here?" This tends to play into people's CP ratings, even though CP isn't supposed to be strategy. It's supposed to be insight and character development. Which leads to the third logic. The one that's not supposed to be part of Edgic at all, but the one that did Edgic in this year. The logic of the story. The editors are crafting a story. Perhaps ineptly, but they are. (There are writers for Survivor and other Reality Shows, I think their position is actually called Story Editor or something like that, so they can't get Writer's Guild credit, or coverage, but that's something else.) So sometimes people need to look at the logic of the story. When Betsy was voted off, I asked "Who Kills Humperdink?" And I spent the next two or three episodes trying to figure out who was the hero that defeated the villain. I guessed wrong, because I thought it was Jaison. But I was looking for the story. Even after the spoilers, I thought Jaison might pull it off despite them, but I could also see how Natalie could be the hero. I could never see it for Mick. And I knew that Russell's story was how he lost. I knew that back in episode one. Because any other story wouldn't feel good to the average viewer. I kept hoping that someone would knock him off before the finals, but I could see that him loosing in the finals would be that much more satisfying. Now, as for all the people who love Russell, and how they think he should have won... Who's the coolest character in a good story? The villain. I love watching a good villain. I love watching them crush their opponents right up until the Hero, battered and bruised but not beaten, takes them out. That's the story we got this season. And it's a logical one. |
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Phoenix1269 |
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wallduck wrote:apologies in advance, wallduck....but i am going to be a bit bitchy here.... i think your view of what "I Think" is asinine.... especially since i don't recall us ever discussing what it is that i actually think regarding the MORD. I think you interpretation of what the MORD is is generally correct and i agree with previous statements from you in that regard. And while i agree and appreciate the original intent of what the MORD was supposed to be, over time, that has proven to not be the case. A good scientist, statistician or mathematician understands that principle and adapts to what the data is telling them. To that note, I look for patterns... whether it is a pattern in the editing or a pattern in the votes cast... doesn't really matter to me. I don't "think" the the MORD has to it has to do with the "consistency of the votes cast", but more in that the overall number & types of votes will distill down to a fairly accurate view of the editing intent. Which is - in turn - a reflection of the consistency of the editing. The reality is that the editors do have a consistent pattern. The pattern however is not the same for ever style of winner... but consistent within each style of winner. Since there are about 4 recognizable types of winners - The CP Strategist winner The MOR/Hero winner, The UTR Winner & the Almost-CP-but-had-some-lucky-breaks winner (whether anyone here wants to acknowledge that or not, it's still true) - the trick now becomes recognizing which pattern the editors are throwing at us early on. And, since the MORD Analysis & Historical trends was correct - again (even though i was not) - i would appreciate a retraction of your comments and in the future please refrain from speaking for me. Thanks. |
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DaWaterRat wrote: But the average viewers just voted Russell the player of the season. So obviously they were as disgusted by this season's editing as I was. You have to give the winner SOMETHING over the course of a season to get viewers invested. When they vote the supposed villain of the season to win $100,000 and the winner doesn't even make the top 3 (whereas Bob won the fan vote with an equally bland edit), you know the editors did a lousy job. |
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And as I said, people like a good villain. And Russell was a good villain. |
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So....can we get to the ratings??
This is after a rough view: Brett: MOR(wouldnt argue against CP)P Jaison: MORN Mick: MORN Nat: CPP Russ: CPN(N?) |
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Natalie was not CP. She was OTTP in my opinion, but I can see MORP.
Mick was MOR. Russell was CPN or OTTN. Brett was OTTP. Jaison.. I'd go with OTT, but I can see MOR. That's how I see it. |
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BlakeB717 wrote:Natalie's confessionals=CP |
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Us Kids Know |
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JaimeCat22 wrote: They also voted Brett in the top 3 you fucking dipshit. Wanna know why? Because he had one of the 3 biggest edits of the LAST TWO WEEKS. Bob got a huge edit boost at the end too. Christ you're as stupid as they are. Moreso. |
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Wc3Fanatic |
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DaWaterRat wrote:This. |
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JaimeCat22 |
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And this season's winner didn't get a boost. Because she's useless. Try to keep up.
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Wc3Fanatic |
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Nat's confessionals make her CP, she basically explained how and why she was going to beat Russel. If that's not CP then nothing is
Russel was OTTN, the music as he bragged to Mick and Nat sealed it. Maybe mixed with his challenge victory and determination. |
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NickF227 wrote: There were 2. Lowest count of all 5. UTR+CP/OTT moment... MOR or OTT.. your call. |
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The way I saw it (and the visibility might be off, since I've already forgotten some of the finale)
Natalie- CPP4 Russ- OTTN5 Mick- MORN3 Jaison- MORN3 Brett- OTTP4 Just quick and based on memory, will definitely change. eta- Jaison should be N.
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SFC |
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Natalie- ?P2-3 (I could see just about any ranking, but right now its between CP and MOR. I could easily see OTT though)
Russ- OTTN5 (NN for reunion) Mick- MOR3 Jaison- MORN2 (Whining = N) Brett- OTTP3 (CP could work |
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