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Um no. Worst winner ever.

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Phuz1		#101	[-]
Posts: 4776 (12/20/09 11:10 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I know it sounds like I'm in denial, but I'm not. Remove this ad novaya wrote: Keep backing those winners, Eliza! ^_^!!!!!!11 Wow. You win creepiest post of the night. Congrats!
ThrowMeGabon		#102	[-]
Posts: 1245 (12/20/09 11:10 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Wc3Fanatic wrote: Natalie was one of four Foa Foas to survive to the merge. She clearly wins the pre-merge game over Russel. He's a strong male who is needed for the challenges, she's a weak female. She positions herself to survive, and she's not just lucky -- she consciously decides to just follow Russel, an underestimated move -- Marisa, Liz, and Betsy certainly didn't recognize it. Post merge game: Natalie clearly had the best move of the game in booting Erik. While Russel made a mockery of himself flying from Galu to Galu, Natalie infiltrated Galu and flipped the script. Russel's swaying of John... I'm not sure how much influence he had, but credit goes to him there, as well as solidifying Shambo. When it's all said and done they pretty much had equal hands in Foa overthrowing Galu. She couldn't have done it without him, and vice versa. But Natalie clearly wins the social game over him. To this day, Russel still doesn't recognize how human beings work. He knows how to prey on their weaknesses but not feed off their better qualities and natural instincts. He doesn't get the stupidity of cockily keeping the idol to himself, he doesn't get how his arrogance will backfire, he doesn't get how treating people like crap will make them not want to vote for you. Did you guys not see the events leading up to the FTC? Natalie reads Russel perfectly. She reads that he's trying to make them feel like they can't win, she calmly stays in control of her emotions. He tries to get her to reveal her FTC speech, she keeps it to herself. He telegraphs his entire spiel (although I'll admit it was kind of obvious anyways). Natalie got votes FOR NATALIE. Russel would've beaten Jaison, Shambo, and Mick. You can't say she got anti-Russel votes, that's bullshit. Every person besides Betsy on Foa Foa followed Russell. Natalie was just lucky he picked her, because with a typical jury that votes for who played the best game, she'd be easiest to beat.
FranklinBluth		#103	[-]
Posts: 5450 (12/20/09 11:16 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Exactly. Russell had his choice of who to go with. Russell chose Natalie. He could've had her booted with the snap of his fingers. If she tried to get him out, she would've been toast.
Wc3Fanatic		#104	[-]
Posts: 1890 (12/20/09 11:16 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	ThrowMeGabon wrote: Wc3Fanatic wrote: Natalie was one of four Foa Foas to survive to the merge. She clearly wins the pre-merge game over Russel. He's a strong male who is needed for the challenges, she's a weak female. She positions herself to survive, and she's not just lucky -- she consciously decides to just follow Russel, an underestimated move -- Marisa, Liz, and Betsy certainly didn't recognize it. Post merge game: Natalie clearly had the best move of the game in booting Erik. While Russel made a mockery of himself flying from Galu to Galu, Natalie infiltrated Galu and flipped the script. Russel's swaying of John... I'm not sure how much influence he had, but credit goes to him there, as well as solidifying Shambo. When it's all said and done they pretty much had equal hands in Foa overthrowing Galu. She couldn't have done it without him, and vice versa. But Natalie clearly wins the social game over him. To this day, Russel still doesn't recognize how human beings work. He knows how to prey on their weaknesses but not feed off their better qualities and natural instincts. He doesn't get the stupidity of cockily keeping the idol to himself, he doesn't get how his arrogance will backfire, he doesn't get how treating people like crap will make them not want to vote for you. Did you guys not see the events leading up to the FTC? Natalie reads Russel perfectly. She reads that he's trying to make them feel like they can't win, she calmly stays in control of her emotions. He tries to get her to reveal her FTC speech, she keeps it to herself. He telegraphs his entire spiel (although I'll admit it was kind of obvious anyways). Natalie got votes FOR NATALIE. Russel would've beaten Jaison, Shambo, and Mick. You can't say she got anti-Russel votes, that's bullshit. Every person besides Betsy on Foa Foa followed Russell. Natalie was just lucky he picked her, because with a typical jury that votes for who played the best game, she'd be easiest to beat. Bullshit. Marisa didn't. Liz didn't. Ashley didn't. Marisa confronted him Liz confronted him Ashley dared to oppose him Natalie wasn't just a dumb bimbo who got lucky, she was aware that opposing him would lead to her immediate demise. Garnering such complete control is good gameplay on russel's part, but it's not unprecedented. Natalie's complete awareness of how to play puppetmaster over the trash talking, "in-control" puppet was completely unprecedented. Also, she articulated this to the jury -- did you see how passionate she got when she was talking about recognizing what happened to Marisa and Betsy and how it influenced her gameplay? The only mistake she made was not highlighting her Erik move as the true downfall of Galu, but perhaps she did that and it didn't get shown.
Kenscookie		#105	[-]
Posts: 5781 (12/20/09 11:19 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	WylDawg wrote: Kenscookie wrote: Oh come on, peeps. Brian Heidik won because no matter how pissed off the jury was, they were smart enough to take their hats off and say, you know what? I may not like you and you may be a total douchebag, but you absolutely played us all and controlled this game. For that, you win, motherfucker. This jury? Dumbasses, most of them. Hi KC! But, um, no. The jury gave Brian the win because they saw Clay as an even bigger douche that he was. As brilliant as Brian's gamplay was, it bit him in the ass. But he was smart enough to go to the final 2 with someone who pissed people off worst than he did. This was not the case here. Hey future husband, Yes, Brian did bring to the final 2 someone who had also pissed the jury off. Of course. Still, no matter how much they disliked Clay, Brian was still the mastermind who deceived and played them all. They were able to set that aside and give the win to the best player, Brian. Without a doubt. And I say this as someone who hated Brian, but you have to give the man props. Clay would have won with the Season 19 jury, because they're a bunch of eejits.
ShanesThinkingSeat		#106	[-]
Posts: 564 (12/20/09 11:21 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Kenscookie wrote: WylDawg wrote: Kenscookie wrote: Oh come on, peeps. Brian Heidik won because no matter how pissed off the jury was, they were smart enough to take their hats off and say, you know what? I may not like you and you may be a total douchebag, but you absolutely played us all and controlled this game. For that, you win, motherfucker. This jury? Dumbasses, most of them. Hi KC! But, um, no. The jury gave Brian the win because they saw Clay as an even bigger douche that he was. As brilliant as Brian's gamplay was, it bit him in the ass. But he was smart enough to go to the final 2 with someone who pissed people off worst than he did. This was not the case here. Hey future husband, Yes, Brian did bring to the final 2 someone who had also pissed the jury off. Of course. Still, no matter how much they disliked Clay, Brian was still the mastermind who deceived and played them all. They were able to set that aside and give the win to the best player, Brian. Without a doubt. And I say this as someone who hated Brian, but you have to give the man props. Clay would have won with the Season 19 jury, because they're a bunch of eejits. Agreed. I still think Brian is the best winner ever.
Darius23		#107	[-]
Posts: 456 (12/20/09 11:23 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Kenscookie wrote: Oh come on, peeps. Brian Heidik won because no matter how pissed off the jury was, they were smart enough to take their hats off and say, you know what? I may not like you and you may be a total douchebag, but you absolutely played us all and controlled this game. For that, you win, motherfucker. This jury? Dumbasses, most of them. Brian Heidik won because he was smart enough to bring Clay to the final 2 (and Jan to the final 3). On top of that, no one from Thailand knew how he really was until they watched the season, so his social game continued on until after the jury had cast their votes. Had Russ taken Jaison or Shambo to the end with him instead of Natalie - a girl who had a decent relationship with every player on the jury - his game play would have been strong enough to net him the win. To me it seems a bit ridiculous to claim that Natalie didn't have game. No, she was not outspoken about it, but it was clearly there. She is a rare case because she was on a losing tribe and was not really an asset in early challenges, but through her social game was able to avoid the line of fire. She was in an alliance with Russ from Day 1 to the very end, and that's gotta be tough to do... the guy was paranoid of women. The other thing is she probably would have succeeded on Galu as well, considering she was basically able to infiltrate the girls within days of the merge and flip the vote on Erik.
WylDawg		#108	[-]
Posts: 21461 (12/20/09 11:24 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I also think Brian is one of the top dogs in terms of winner. But if he had been stupid enough to bring Jan or Helen at the final 2, he would've pulled a Russell. Even Probst who sucked Russell's dick harder than anyone this season perfectly pointed it out: Russell needed to go to the final 2 with Shambo and Jaison, at the very least not with Natalie. Hey future husband, giggles Oh, you....
ThrowMeGabon		#109	[-]
Posts: 1249 (12/20/09 11:25 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Wc3Fanatic wrote: ThrowMeGabon wrote: Wc3Fanatic wrote: Natalie was one of four Foa Foas to survive to the merge. She clearly wins the pre-merge game over Russel. He's a strong male who is needed for the challenges, she's a weak female. She positions herself to survive, and she's not just lucky -- she consciously decides to just follow Russel, an underestimated move -- Marisa, Liz, and Betsy certainly didn't recognize it. Post merge game: Natalie clearly had the best move of the game in booting Erik. While Russel made a mockery of himself flying from Galu to Galu, Natalie infiltrated Galu and flipped the script. Russel's swaying of John... I'm not sure how much influence he had, but credit goes to him there, as well as solidifying Shambo. When it's all said and done they pretty much had equal hands in Foa overthrowing Galu. She couldn't have done it without him, and vice versa. But Natalie clearly wins the social game over him. To this day, Russel still doesn't recognize how human beings work. He knows how to prey on their weaknesses but not feed off their better qualities and natural instincts. He doesn't get the stupidity of cockily keeping the idol to himself, he doesn't get how his arrogance will backfire, he doesn't get how treating people like crap will make them not want to vote for you. Did you guys not see the events leading up to the FTC? Natalie reads Russel perfectly. She reads that he's trying to make them feel like they can't win, she calmly stays in control of her emotions. He tries to get her to reveal her FTC speech, she keeps it to herself. He telegraphs his entire spiel (although I'll admit it was kind of obvious anyways). Natalie got votes FOR NATALIE. Russel would've beaten Jaison, Shambo, and Mick. You can't say she got anti-Russel votes, that's bullshit. Every person besides Betsy on Foa Foa followed Russell. Natalie was just lucky he picked her, because with a typical jury that votes for who played the best game, she'd be easiest to beat. Bullshit. Marisa didn't. Liz didn't. Ashley didn't. Marisa confronted him Liz confronted him Ashley dared to oppose him Natalie wasn't just a dumb bimbo who got lucky, she was aware that opposing him would lead to her immediate demise. Garnering such complete control is good gameplay on russel's part, but it's not unprecedented. Natalie's complete awareness of how to play puppetmaster over the trash talking, "in-control" puppet was completely unprecedented. Also, she articulated this to the jury -- did you see how passionate she got when she was talking about recognizing what happened to Marisa and Betsy and how it influenced her gameplay? The only mistake she made was not highlighting her Erik move as the true downfall of Galu, but perhaps she did that and it didn't get shown. I'd be fine with Natalie winning if she were sitting next to Mick and Jaison, since they made less pivotal game moves than she did. I admit Erik was a nice move, but she was sitting next to someone who engineered every other boot in the game besides Yasmin. There's just no good argument for her winning over him besides appeal to emotion.
ElisabethNelehHeidiRok		#110	[-]
Posts: 1758 (12/20/09 11:28 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I know it sounds like I'm in denial, but I'm not. Remove this ad JaimeCat22 wrote: She's so bad she makes Vecepia and Bob look like Richard Hatch. You know it's bad when Erik basically has to apologize and give a 10 minute justification of why he's voting for the most useless player. Oh please youve had it out for Natalie since the beginning. Tina, Vecepia, Amber, Christ, Danni, Yul, Earl, Bob and JT are all worst winners that Natalie, its true. Sorry get over jealous cunts. Natalie=hottest winner ever.
menelaus		#111	[-]
Posts: 490 (12/20/09 11:28 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	It's actually really sad that people are defending Russell. It's been stated before, and I'll state it again. Russell played a truly shitty social game. He got everyone except for John and Shambo mad at him with his overly malicious lying and his aggressive behavior (Laura mentioned that he threatened her in a post-game interview). Russell's deceptiveness was far beyond the bounds of the game, he took it to a personal level, and he failed at understanding that people would get mad at him for it. Natalie, as she stated in her episode 4 confessional, recognized that Russell is very good at rubbing people the wrong way, and she recognized that she could use that to win jury votes at the end by being his wing-girl. Marisa, Betsy, and Liz all went against Russ and were booted because of it, Ben played a horrible social game (possibly the worst in recent history), and Mike got medvac'd, so Natalie was clearly doing something right to get to the merge. At the merge, she got the ball rolling with Erik's boot. What did Russell do beyond that? Find an easy idol while the Galu idiots voted right into it? Convince John, who had been wanting to flip forever, to flip? Proceed to get rid of the few people who were potentially bigger goats than him (read: John and Shambo)? Yes, whatever Russell said went, but he constantly made the wrong decisions in terms of actually winning the jury vote. Natalie got close to Russell, let him make all the mistakes, and capitalized at the end. Also, it should be noted that it IS possible to play an aggressive, deceptive strategic game while still playing at least a decent social game, since Todd and Parvati were both able to do it with relative ease, and that's what allowed them to get their wins (okay, Amanda's meltdowns helped too, but Todd still had to contend with 3rd choice Courtney). Chris came back from an even bigger deficit than Russell did (-5 is harder than -4 last I checked), and he was at least smart enough to constantly side with uber-goat Twila (unlike Russ who couldn't figure out to take Shambo to the end), and he did it without the help of three idols. Russell certainly could have won this season, and it wouldn't have taken much more work than he put in, it just required being a nicer person and less of an asshole.
Kenscookie		#112	[-]
Posts: 5782 (12/20/09 11:29 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Actually, the best winner ever was Boston Rawb. Don't tell me he didn't win. He took gorgeous AmberWho to the F2 with him. The cute girl who he chatted up and controlled all season. When she won the million, he married her. Best Winner Ever.
LOLABINGO		#113	[-]
Posts: 8085 (12/20/09 11:30 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	It could have been worse. Jaison could have won. Or Mick.
Torchflame		#114	[-]
Posts: 858 (12/20/09 11:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	No. Bob is still holding the title of Worst Winner Ever.
ElisabethNelehHeidiRok		#115	[-]
Posts: 1759 (12/20/09 11:31 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	EOrlins wrote: WylDawg wrote: I'm just baffled by tonight's reactions, especially from a feminazi board like Sucks. I'm usully the biggest advocate for males and aggressive, dominant gamplay, but even I saw the Natalie win/Russell loss coming form a mile away. It's not fucking rocket science. Just because you know it's coming, doesn't make it any less painful. I'm surprised at this reaction coming from you Eliza, as a weaker female who made some dumb moves that put you at the bottom of each alliance you made, you would think you would be slightly less hypocritical.
Us Kids Know		#116	[-]
Posts: 11599 (12/20/09 11:31 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I love Wyl again now~
Kenscookie		#117	[-]
Posts: 5783 (12/20/09 11:32 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	menelaus wrote: It's actually really sad that people are defending Russell. It's been stated before, and I'll state it again. Russell played a truly shitty social game. Russell's only mistake was in believing that the jury would vote objectively, and not with their crybaby tittysucker ( Big Tom <3 ) feelings.
seltzer3		#118	[-]
Posts: 1575 (12/20/09 11:32 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I felt that Natalie did a pretty good job in answering the jury's questions. It was a very Vecepia type answer. I'm glad she said upfront "Yeah I did ride coattails. I did play a UTR game, but that was my intent." The fact that she owned that strategy, and said that was her complete intent in the first place was really good. I also want to address a stupid move that Russell made that may have lost him a jury vote. -What hell was making a deal with Brett?! There was no point in making that deal, because it was obvious that Russell wasn't going to follow it based on common sense reasons. And all it did was raise Brett's hopes up, only for Russell to smash it down. Also, if he did fulfill that promise, he would have knocked out Mick, who probably would have not voted for him, because he was probably really pissed off. That was a strategy that it seemed like Russell was just doing for strategy sake. There was virtually no upside to that deal. Russell was not more or less vulnerable with that deal. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost Brett's vote because of this.
WylDawg		#119	[-]
Posts: 21463 (12/20/09 11:32 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Kenscookie wrote: Actually, the best winner ever was Boston Rawb. Don't tell me he didn't win. He took gorgeous AmberWho to the F2 with him. The cute girl who he chatted up and controlled all season. When she won the million, he married her. Best Winner Ever. Again, no. The best winner ever is our Lord and Savior Tom Westman. yw. I love Wyl again now~ I know, it's been a weird night for me. I've became the fanboy defending the cute female winner against male-supporters. Don't get too attached to this side of mine though.
Kenscookie		#120	[-]
Posts: 5784 (12/20/09 11:35 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I know it sounds like I'm in denial, but I'm not. Remove this ad WylDawg wrote: Kenscookie wrote: Actually, the best winner ever was Boston Rawb. Don't tell me he didn't win. He took gorgeous AmberWho to the F2 with him. The cute girl who he chatted up and controlled all season. When she won the million, he married her. Best Winner Ever. Again, no. The best winner ever is our Lord and Savior Tom Westman. yw. Hmmm....I think you mean Hottest Winner Ever. Then yes, I agree with you. but not as hot as my Wylie, of coursies <3

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Um no. Worst winner ever.