I hated Russell the whole game, but I don't think there is any way to argue that Natalie played better than Russell.

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druhoang |
For those that agree with Natalie winning.... |
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Can you admit that Russell played a better strategic game and you wanted Natalie to win for other reasons such as being sweet, ethical, beautiful, honest. etc
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I hated Russell the whole game, but I don't think there is any way to argue that Natalie played better than Russell. |
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Thailandsurvivor |
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Finding idols is not a strategy. Russell was voted out in 11th place.
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druhoang |
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Even if you take out winning idols, Russell still played better than natalie.
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Archibald C |
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druhoang wrote: No I most certainly will not. Natalie deserved to win because she was the only one of the final 3 who actually knew how the jury was going to vote. No matter how many alliances, idols, or blindsides Russell organized, he essentially did NOTHING to win the vote of the jury. And as Natalie said, to be the sole survivor, you have to get a majority of the votes. Also Natalie gave one of the best tribal council performances ever, especially given that each juror was only given about 30 seconds to say anything. |
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Bobby Jon goes apeshit |
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Adding to the solid argument that he got kicked out at 11... bottomline is, its a social experiment.
Russell can play this game a dozen times, find every single fuckin idol... and it doesn't matter. He will NEVER win, because he just cant shut the fuck up about how "masterful" of a player he is (sub-bar at best). Hes basically a Mini-Mariano |
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Zesty66 |
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Thailandsurvivor wrote:This. |
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druhoang |
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I don't understand why finding idols is not a strategy?
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druhoang |
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Archibald C wrote: I'll buy this. Then in general, staying under the radar, coat tailing, trying not to lie, being friendly are the most important criteria to winning survivor? Just looking back at pass winners, it seems like winning challenges doesn't matter much, neither is blindsiding and alliance making. So overall the best strategy is to be strong enough in the early game that you don't get voted out early. Stay under the radar. Avoid conflicts, try to get most people to like you. Avoid lying/backstabbing once there is a jury because they could hold grudges. In general, it is all social but not in a mainupation, lying way.
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YemaGrl1988 |
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Natalie & Russell voted exactly the same throughout the game. Natalie won overall. Natalie played the better game.
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bryanpasa |
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YemaGrl1988 wrote:This. Natalie has GOOD connections to jury....Russell has BAD connections. |
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Lexxan |
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I've posted this in another thread, in Surcks Proper, but I'm way to lazy to re-type the whole thing. So I'll copy-paste it here:
Lexxan Wrote: Getting to the end is not enough! Russell played a great game to get to the endgot, but he completely forgot that you can't win without getting enough Jury votes. Natalie knew this, and build relationships with everyone, whereas Russell only had made relationships with three people: Natalie, John and Shambo. All the others were alienated/repulsed by his actions and demeanor. Throw in a lousy Jury Preformance, a repulsive Pro-Russell speech from Shambo and a legendairy anti-Russell speech from Erik, and he's toast. wtg Russ. |
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Venatrix Avia |
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Russell played one of the dumbest games I've ever seen. Who the hell goes out of their way to antagonize the jury, unless they're deliberately playing
for second place? In what universe does that make sense? You don't see that level of stupidity or incompetence very often, and certainly not in someone who
otherwise seemed to have half a brain. By the end, he was basically just an uber-goat. A rotting codfish could have won against him.
So no, I don't agree that he played a good strategic game. Then, everyone else's games sucked too, which is the only reason that he managed to get the two votes that he did. In any other season, he's Dreamz. |
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SkyDreamer |
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No. Russell didn't play a good game - he was a bully and deserved to lose.
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JackSparrowBauer |
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Thailandsurvivor wrote: X. That's why I never would've voted for Russell. The real best player should not have to rely on a hidden immunity idol. |
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Quiddity |
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First, for those that say Russell played the superior game, no he did not. He arguably played a superior strategic game, but Natalie totally demolished him
socially. And I could argue that he made very poor strategic decisions with booting Jaison & Shambo over Natalie, so he isn't as great as you think he
is there as well.
As for HII's, even though I despised Ozzy, I'd have voted for him over Yul solely because Yul had a HII that 18 other people didn't even have a chance to look for. Yul may have been a smarter person strategically and socially than Ozzy, but he really didn't play the game as he was immune the entire game without doing anything. |
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OrsNaz |
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Thailandsurvivor wrote: Followed by Natalie, your point is? All four needed those idols |
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LaLa |
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Russell's "strategy" is severely overrated. If you want to see a good strategist that didn't win the game look at Stephen in Tocantins. What
strategy did he have other than finding idols? Voting out people he thought were threats? Well everyone in the game has done that. You want strategy, how about
the strategy of trying to get the jury to actually vote for you at the end, Russell failed at that.
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LaLa |
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OrsNaz wrote: You're making assumption that Natalie would have been voted out next, Russell was actually voted out, he had the majority of the votes. |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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I think Natalie was legitimately the best player because she played a great social game throughout, and if Russell got booted, she always had a shot at worming
her way into Galu, since they were so dysfunctional.
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Precisely, there's a social component to the game, and Natalie did that really well. Russell seemed to forget it even existed.
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unduli clone |
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Natalie hopped on Russ' back strategically, but intentionally created and played her own social aspect of the game in order to build personal relationships with the jury. It may not be what most people think of as a being a "good player," but she knew she was set with Russell so used her time to make those personal connections, knowing they would come up again. She's just like Amber, essentially. Maybe now people will retroactively appreciate Amber's gameplay. <3 |
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