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Kenscookie		#61	[-]
Posts: 5796 (12/21/09 11:32 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Out of my mind. Back in five minutes. Remove this ad Yeah, I kind of think that maybe he should have kept his promise to Brett and forced a tie there at the end. It would have been risky as all hell, because there was no way he would have beat Brett in the jury, but if Mick won the tie-breaker, perhaps some of the jurors (Brett included) would have seen Russell in a slightly better light if he had kept at least one promise in this game.
WylDawg		#62	[-]
Posts: 21494 (12/21/09 11:32 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'm through arguing with the butthurt losers. Russell can't read people, hence why he failed. He thought nobody would ever vote for Natalie to win = Fail. He thought he would earn the jury's respect by saying how awsome he is and taunting them with idols = Fail. He thought Mick and Natalie would be stupid enough to take him out and go to the final 3 with Brett = Fail. He thought he had the game won the second he had the last immunity = Fail. He saw saw Amber beating Rob and still didn't get that the most agressive strategist doesn't necessairly win if he's a dick to everyone else = Fail.
JaimeCat22		#63	[-]
Posts: 482 (12/21/09 11:33 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Because people usually ROOT for the underdog. You have an underdog, pretty blonde sweetheart who wins the game and beats the supposed villain of the season. And yet the villain wins the fan vote (probably in a landslide) and the sweetheart underdog doesn't even crack the top 3. This tells us that most people felt Russell deserved to win the game, and didn't really care for Natalie. I see no other conclusion one could possibly reach. The editors failed to make viewers care about the winner and did a terrible job of making people at least understand WHY she won.
pjadedd		#64	[-]
Posts: 10580 (12/21/09 11:33 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Maybe, then, Russell should've gone on American Idol where what people think matters.
Kenscookie		#65	[-]
Posts: 5797 (12/21/09 11:34 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Discussing and arguing are not the same thing, Wylie. Relax. It's ok to have a difference of opinion.
sammyhain2364		#66	[-]
Posts: 2637 (12/21/09 11:35 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	jethy wrote: sammyhain2364 wrote: Kenscookie wrote: Mega64 wrote: Kenscookie wrote: If it were only about playing nicey-nice, then people like Richard Hatch and Brian Heidik would never have won. It really depends on whether or not the jury is able to set hard feelings aside and give the prize to the best player. Didn't happen this season. Maybe next time around. PS- The best jury ever on this show is still the Season 1 jury. They let Rich have it, called him scum of the earth. They were bitter as hell during questioning, but in the end, they realized he deserved the win, so they gave it to him. Let's not forget that people were bitter at Kelly and Clay, and the Thailand jury was still insanely bitter at both the F2. But you can't really control what personalities you get in the game or even who you get on the jury most of the time (with this season being kind of an exception, but even then they couldn't get gameplay-respecting people there), so you really need to work with what you got. You can't control whether or not you get a bitter jury, so it's always good to play it safe and not be such an ass to them. They are the ones with your fate in their hands, after all. This is true; very good point. Being nice to people never hurts. Although, nice people aren't that much fun to watch on reality TV, are they? No they're not but it's been a well proven commodity that you need to be one to some degree The thing is, he was actually pretty nice to his alliance the whole way through. One thing Russell neglected to mention during his speech was that he made an alliance with Mick and Natalie on Day 2 basically and they made it to the final three, that's loyalty right there and I think a lot of people love loyalty in Survivor. Instead of focusing only on the moves he made to get to the Final 3 he should have focused more on his loyalty to his original alliance and how he got along with them. Heck, it's not like he was being extremely mean to everyone in camp or even during tribal councils, that was only one-on-one with the camera and they didn't get to see that obviously. He was merely fighting for his alliance to survive and he never called anyone a bitch or whatever. So all in all I think socially he did a pretty decent job combined with all the strategic power moves he made. yeah he was REAL nice to Mick and Natalie that last day when it was just the three of them sitting around. He had no reason to be mean and rude to them since the game was no longer in his hands. That and his actions at the reunion show speaks volumes about his true character and probably the real Russell that the editing all season neglected to show but the jury got to experience on a daily basis.
JaimeCat22		#67	[-]
Posts: 484 (12/21/09 11:39 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	This wasn't even a situation like the Amazon, where Jenna was edited to be a bitch and Matt got the underdog edit so you could understand the audience reaction when she won. Natalie was the sweetheart underdog and viewers still didn't like her. That tells you something about her game right there.
astroline		#68	[-]
Posts: 2992 (12/21/09 11:40 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	pjadedd wrote: Maybe, then, Russell should've gone on American Idol where what people think matters. LOL. Seriously though, Russell lied to people for no reason, made promises he knew he wouldn't keep, burned sucks, emptied canteens, lied about Hurricane Katrina, antagonized everyone when they didn't agree with him, etc. Russell did this ALL to himself. He has nobody else to blame. I agree that he played a good game, sure, but he not only underestimated Natalie's abilities to socially win over the jury, but he underestimated the jury's ability to give 1 million dollars to someone that made them feel like complete crap. Deadmau5 is the OP's user name, I think that says it all. Deadmau5 (the DJ/producer from Toronto) is the biggest toolbag to come onto the EDM (specifically house/trance) in a long time. Anyone who likes him clearly is a mainstream piece of shit with no taste that probably just got into EDM last year. Loser.
Huntorr		#69	[-]
Posts: 113 (12/21/09 11:40 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	sammyhain2364 wrote: That and his actions at the reunion show speaks volumes about his true character X. There was no reason to be so disrespectful to Natalie and take away from her victory. Like Sandra told Fairplay, "It's not about you ALL the time."
jethy		#70	[-]
Posts: 4 (12/21/09 11:42 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Out of my mind. Back in five minutes. Remove this ad sammyhain2364 wrote: jethy wrote: sammyhain2364 wrote: Kenscookie wrote: Mega64 wrote: Kenscookie wrote: If it were only about playing nicey-nice, then people like Richard Hatch and Brian Heidik would never have won. It really depends on whether or not the jury is able to set hard feelings aside and give the prize to the best player. Didn't happen this season. Maybe next time around. PS- The best jury ever on this show is still the Season 1 jury. They let Rich have it, called him scum of the earth. They were bitter as hell during questioning, but in the end, they realized he deserved the win, so they gave it to him. Let's not forget that people were bitter at Kelly and Clay, and the Thailand jury was still insanely bitter at both the F2. But you can't really control what personalities you get in the game or even who you get on the jury most of the time (with this season being kind of an exception, but even then they couldn't get gameplay-respecting people there), so you really need to work with what you got. You can't control whether or not you get a bitter jury, so it's always good to play it safe and not be such an ass to them. They are the ones with your fate in their hands, after all. This is true; very good point. Being nice to people never hurts. Although, nice people aren't that much fun to watch on reality TV, are they? No they're not but it's been a well proven commodity that you need to be one to some degree The thing is, he was actually pretty nice to his alliance the whole way through. One thing Russell neglected to mention during his speech was that he made an alliance with Mick and Natalie on Day 2 basically and they made it to the final three, that's loyalty right there and I think a lot of people love loyalty in Survivor. Instead of focusing only on the moves he made to get to the Final 3 he should have focused more on his loyalty to his original alliance and how he got along with them. Heck, it's not like he was being extremely mean to everyone in camp or even during tribal councils, that was only one-on-one with the camera and they didn't get to see that obviously. He was merely fighting for his alliance to survive and he never called anyone a bitch or whatever. So all in all I think socially he did a pretty decent job combined with all the strategic power moves he made. yeah he was REAL nice to Mick and Natalie that last day when it was just the three of them sitting around. He had no reason to be mean and rude to them since the game was no longer in his hands. That and his actions at the reunion show speaks volumes about his true character and probably the real Russell that the editing all season neglected to show but the jury got to experience on a daily basis. Yes I know he was being a prick the last day (although he claims it was also strategic, but it was unnecessary), but I'm talking about before the last day. I really doubt he was cussing people out and boasting at camp. They never really showed him interact normally with the Galu members, only about strategy.
goohst		#71	[-]
Posts: 1457 (12/21/09 11:42 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Natalie didn't get in the top three. That's a far cry from calling her unpopular.
pjadedd		#72	[-]
Posts: 10581 (12/21/09 11:43 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Who cares if Natalie was last in the vote? Fans gave Rupert a million dollars.
shollia		#73	[-]
Posts: 73 (12/21/09 11:46 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Excuse me, but wouldn't you be pissed off if you played as hard as he did and then lost to someone who road your coattail to the end? I know I'd be pissed off too. Could he have been a more gracious loser, sure, but he had every right to be pissed. He's shown throughout the season that he's really not all that great at hiding his feelings/thoughts, so it wasn't surprising that he was visibly upset over the loss. Anyways, people can try to claim Natalie played a better game all they want. IMO they're wrong. She was just the lesser of 3 evils that the jury voted for. Russell could've gone out there and given the best tribal speech ever as Natalie went in and farted all of her responses and they still would've voted for her. It was clear they had all already made up their minds on who they were voting for by their total FAIL at the questioning/comments.
Mets1191		#74	[-]
Posts: 27 (12/21/09 11:46 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	here was natalie's social game: be a chick, and hope the other chicks and desperate/possibly gay ##%$* vote for you. Russel's opening speech was eloquent and professional. He clearly felt that the jury members would respect his ability to pull the coup of picking off galu. But the former galu were a bunch of social misfits who apparently thought this was a popularity contest for the nice girl. Erik looked like a desperate slug that was hoping to score with natalie and had the look of a social retard who never scored with girls. if anything the best social question went to Brett, who basically outed Mick as a guy who didnt take the time to get to know anyone outside his alliance. On the topic of social game, the shot of Russell's wife was very telling. She seemed far from a girly girl. Russel seems very charming to strong willed women, but doesnt do well with caddy rats like Marisa or Monica. On the jury, you had kelly, lola and monica, who as the deliberations went on you had to figure was a bloc for the chick.
IluvGoddessCirie		#75	[-]
Posts: 582 (12/21/09 11:50 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JaimeCat22 wrote: This wasn't even a situation like the Amazon, where Jenna was edited to be a bitch and Matt got the underdog edit so you could understand the audience reaction when she won. Natalie was the sweetheart underdog and viewers still didn't like her. That tells you something about her game right there. Or maybe it tells you something about the fact that Russell got literally ten times as much screen time and constant praise from the host and pimping in the commercials? No I'm sure that had nothing to do with it....
goohst		#76	[-]
Posts: 1458 (12/21/09 11:58 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Russell ran around like a headless chicken out there. Natalie had a meatshield the entire game who would always be targeted before her, and who wouldn't get votes. Why should Natalie stop doing that? Russell isn't going to accept being the second to Natalie. Natalie became Russ's second in command, which is the absolute smartest thing anybody did in this game.
viciousmaturity		#77	[-]
Posts: 49 (12/21/09 12:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Mega64 wrote: Physical and strategic games get you to the end. Social games win you the money. Everyone should assume that the jury is going to be bitter and play as cautiously as possible. It's possible to be conniving and play a tough game without being a complete asshole to everyone. People have won with all three, and people have won only with their social games (Chris, Natalie). But you have to keep in mind that the jury is going to vote for someone, and if you go out of your way to piss them off and act like you don't give a shit about them, you're just giving them less of a reason to vote for you. That's why Brian almost lost, that's why Boston Rob did lose, and that's why Russell lost. Playing a cutthroat, balls-to-the-wall game is one thing, but being a complete ass to your peers for no discernible reason is much different. I was a huge Russell fan post-merge, have huge respect for how passionate he is about the game and how hardcore he is about winning, was rooting strongly for him to win, and was disappointed when he came up short, but despite all that I still believe Natalie deserved to win. Thank you, basically summed up my arguments. You gotta play it safe... or better yet, assess in-game how each of the jurors will perceive the game. I think once the merge starts, you really need to start building relations with every single person out there, and try to figure out how they will vote in the end- "objectively" (as defined by voting within the context of the game) or "emotionally" (as defined by voting outside the game's context). From there, you gotta adapt your strategy to the dominant tribal discourses and be FLEXIBLE- the number one rule in this game. If you cannot organize a counter-resistance to the dominant powers, you ride the waves, figure people out, and play your strategy accordingly. To come into the game and say "this is how I'll play and I will play it as hard as I can NO MATTER WHAT" is certainly admirable, but it won't get you the title of sole survivor. It's not an entertaining strategy as you all acknowledge, but it is a valid strategy, and it's worked time and time again.
SuperJude		#78	[-]
Posts: 16012 (12/21/09 12:40 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	You just need to have empathy and win the right amount of people over. A great way to insure this doesn't happen is to stick it in their faces. Russell is the 2007 New England Patriots of Survivor. -SJ™
kishuu		#79	[-]
Posts: 2935 (12/21/09 12:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	well all the interviews by the F5 (aside from him) basically confirm he told the jury you suck, kiss my ass, vote for me cause i hate all of your guts. So much for stellar social game.
Michael Scotch		#80	[-]
Posts: 49 (12/21/09 03:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Out of my mind. Back in five minutes. Remove this ad agree with jude, russell did the worst thing possible throughout the post merge game, he strong armed people and when he got his way he shoved his victory in their faces. Russell was almost as sore a winner as he is a sore loser Personally I like the bravado, but hey that's just me. Russell never (maybe he thought he didn't need to) explained well enough at final tribal that he needed to play cocky to reassure himself and have confidence in his ability to win, coming in down 8-4 in numbers. He also needed to further attack Natalie and should have lied about her; I would have told the jury that Natalie was needlessly making fun of them behind their backs. I'd say Laura, she called you a religious freak and told me she's an atheist, she only pretended to be spiritual to gain a bond with you. Monica she said that you were a Latina bitch (she is a racist) and she called you Jaison a surprising intelligent Negro, but she still thinks you're a wimp and convinced foa foa to get rid of you because in her words, you're too big a wimp to beat Brett and I reluctantly went along with it

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