It was good, but Boo's was better.

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Huntorr |
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It was good, but Boo's was better. |
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RoadKill242 |
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Up until his jury speech I thought Erik was crazy. Now I'm convinced. And he's a pussy.
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QuizGuy66 |
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I don't think Erik's speech was the persuading factor to the others. I think that they planned to vote Natalie for the million. I'm not sure how they decide the order of who gets to address the final 3, but I feel that his speech was more meant for America in a sense justifying the vote for her. I think Dave's question was telling (and for a dumb question pretty interesting) in that "what do you think your chances are" sets up an overconfident Russell a little more for the impending smack down by the old Galu. I also think Erik wanted her to feel good about the "upset" win they were about to hand her. -QG |
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cabanachat |
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I was impressed and kinda swayed by his speech, but when I was reminded of how he'd bragged earlier about plans to lie, cheat, do whatever to win, it kinda
pulled the rug out of all that. As always, CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING and it's hard to think of how he could have been more hypocritical in light of his
previous comments. If only he'd referenced them and said he'd changed his mind, then it would have been cool. Instead, he got all self-righteous and
shit. In retrospect, it now seems like either A) a pathetic attempt to re-write history and hang on to his "dignity" or B) an even more pathetic
attempt to get into Nat's pants.
Probably both and part of me still wants to overlook it, but I think that's just the part that's still hot for his bones. |
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Huntorr |
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I think he was just playing to the cameras.
It was a good speech, though, regardless if it makes sense or not based on his pre-game interviews. |
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pinkbug8u |
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I find it funny that you say women get portrayed in a certain way and it is unfair. If any man had played like Natalie did, he would have been reamed (just like Mick was). did i say that? i don't recall writing that. I'm merely pointing the social dynamics between men and women, and how women historically get their power indirectly (they have to handle and figure out a way around that fragile male ego afterall). And I'm just pointing out that because we're still generally raised with the male point of view (maybe it's been around so long it's in our genes), the typically male charactersitics are espoused as AUTOMATICALLY better. Never said it was unfair, cause she won. If anything it just goes to show it being MORE fair, showing that other characteristics are just as valid and should be given credit where credit's due. i'm not saying she masterminded the alliance, but she saw an opportunity and took advantage of it. being fully aware how russell saw her as weak and went with it all the way to the bank. Mick did nothing. Can you point out anything he did? Have countless people already pointed out what Natalie did? How many times do they have to go over it. I'm not going over the Eric, turning point, never would've have made it to the end without it, boot again. |
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Thailandsurvivor |
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His speech was an inspiration to all future boring under the radar coattail riders. Thanks for that, Erik.
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RunawayJuror |
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"People will call you weak People will say you're undeserving. But why are those characteristics any less admirable than lying, cheating, and
stealing? But maybe, just maybe, in an environment filled with arrogance and delusional entitlement, maybe the person who thinks she is the less deserving is
probably the most. You have my vote and I hope you get four more. Congratulations."
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ThrowMeGabon |
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Thailandsurvivor wrote: Exactly. Do we really want to encourage the Amber strategy here? Don't we have enough nice boring females that don't do anything already? |
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Peteybird |
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i'm not saying she masterminded the alliance Actually, thats exactly what you were saying. I do not even see how it was her decision to align with Russell. She basically just sat there, looked non-threatening, and Russell did not pick her off. Literally every other person could use the same argument against Russell in the F3. "Well he didn't have me booted off, so I was playing him all along!" He had to take someone to the F3 with him. This is exactly what a coat-tail rider does. If you want to respect it, fine. But don't make it about a gender power struggle or something that it simply isn't.
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12/21/09 02:46 PM.
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Burrito Taco |
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Nothing tops Mick's reaction to his speech:
Mick's hilariously dry commentary was the best part about the finale. <3 |
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FourDozenEggs |
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If other people elect you to be leader, that's delusional entitlement? heh
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ThrowMeGabon |
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Mick actually rated his chances of winning the lowest, so I didn't get the delusional entitlement bit at all. He didn't do shit but he seemed like a
chill guy who was OK with that.
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JPOz |
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FourDozenEggs wrote:No it's feckless. Noob. ;) |
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pinkbug8u |
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But don't make it about a gender power struggle or something that it simply isn't. I'm not. I'm just stating a fact. That women and men get to power positions differently. Do you really think that women can get power the same way a man does without getting some kind of punishment for it. It wasn't a power struggle, it was a difference in style of power and I'm merely pointing out that one isn't necessarily better than the other. |
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token lunatic |
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So Very Sassy wrote:This would have all been great were it not for the fact he got clotheslined by the clothesline. He = moron. |
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Peteybird |
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I'm not. I'm just stating a fact. That women and men get to power positions differently. Do you really think that women can get power the same way a man does without getting some kind of punishment for it. It wasn't a power struggle, it was a difference in style of power and I'm merely pointing out that one isn't necessarily better than the other. My point is that power struggle you are talking about did not even happen. Natalie was never in control of this game. And saying she was somehow pulling the strings behind the scenes because thats how woman control people is really not what happened here, at all. So your fact is about as useful as me stating the sky is blue. |
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pinkbug8u |
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Yes russell controlled the game. but she was smart enough to use him to get to the end, stroking his ego to the point that he becomes unpalatable to everyone
around him, and to the point that he underestimates her enough to bring her all the way, and making him forget basic human nature. People don't like to be
treated like shit. All the while making strong connections with the people in the jury, not just in her alliance. that's a different kind of control that
actually gets you the million dollars.
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racefan114 |
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Posts: 320 (12/21/09 08:25 PM) |
I mean, I really think that Russell deserved to win, but it was a nice change for the sole worthless girl who rides coattails to win it all.
Cases in point: Becky, Cassandra, Amanda, Susie |
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SPunKeeMonKee |
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I misheard him the first time.. I thought he was admonishing Russell's strategy but it all makes sense now.
Burrito Taco, are you planning on finishing your "Survivor Samoa in 60 seconds" gif? :) |
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