I'd say Pearl Island's final two was the worst; lame and lamer. The ghost tribe twist was ridiculous.
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Um no. Worst winner ever.
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Posts: 23138 (12/21/09 12:59 PM) >: | |
NickF227 wrote: No, its a social experiment. The actual reason of Survivor is OUTWIT, OUTPLAY, OUTLAST, which Russell did. Natalie deserves the million over someone who played hard the ENTIRE time, simply because she knows the name of Laura's pet goldfish? PLEASE!! |
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Posts: 16020 (12/21/09 01:03 PM) Registered user |
If knowing the name of a goldfish will win the million, remember the fucking name of the goldfish!
-SJ™ |
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Posts: 23142 (12/21/09 01:14 PM) >: | |
SuperJude wrote: Jude, I love you and all.....but if you play your ass off for 39 days, while I hang out and brush my hair (hey! I can dream!), and then someone gives me the million because I remember some trivial fact about their high school prom - you think that makes sense? EDIT - this is why I didn't go on and on about Cirie losing either time she was on. Yes, I wanted her to win, and yes, she made just as many strategic moves as Parslutty in FvF, but in the end, she basically was just nice to everyone. Russell played HARD the entire time. Hell, I don't even like him that much, but he still played harder than anyone else there - possibly in any season.
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Posts: 7713 (12/21/09 02:39 PM) Registered User |
Like I said before, playing "hard" does you no good if the majority of the moves you make are utterly pointless.
Natalie won because she played better than Russell. Simple as. |
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Posts: 6034 (12/21/09 02:52 PM) Patriots:Worst 11-5 team EVER |
The actual reason of Survivor is OUTWIT Something that numbnuts Russell did not do |
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Posts: 1 (12/21/09 03:22 PM) |
The only boo-hooing I saw or heard came from the people Russel blind sided as he mowed them down. Eric QQed about Russel when it was Natalie that sowed the
seeds of distrust with his tribe mates (the only non coat tails move she made). Pure and simple Russel lost because they hated the "player" NOT the
game. They gave the money to Natalie just to spite Russel. With the odds 8 to 4 against them it was Galu that went the way of the dodo bird over and over again
until Brett when on his run.
It wasn't anything that Natalie or Russel did/didn't do... Russel's big head made it even easier to hate him, and prayer warrior Natalie to assume even a greater Polly Purebread demeanor in the "I hate Russel because he out played me" jury's eyes... It is what it is and you have to get the votes to get the money - no matter how well you played the game... |
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Posts: 923 (12/21/09 03:26 PM) |
JaimeCat22 wrote: Dude, you're just bitter that your pretty-boy Mick or Russell didn't beat a woman. Get over it, and stop bitching. |
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Posts: 19 (12/21/09 03:53 PM) Registered User |
Maybe there's a "what if" thread somewhere I missed, but if the other Russell S. hadn't been pulled for medical reasons, I wonder if Russell
H. would have even made it to the finals.
Galu seemed to respect Russell S. and if he had been there at the merge he could have convinced the former Galu to vote for one of the Foa Foa. If they voted for Russell H., a Galu would still have gone home but Shambo's defection may not have happened and they could have rallied to Pagong the former Foa Foas. If they voted for Mick or Jaison at the first merge tribal counsel, things would have played out very different. And if the producers had hidden the immunity idol as much as they have in prior seasons (or not in the camp), Russell probably wouldn 't have been able to find 3 of them. So it seems to me that a good part of Russell's success was more than a little dependent on luck -- that the leader of Galu was taken out of the game leaving them vulnerable. My apologies if this has already been discussed to death but Russell H. was as much lucky as he was strategic. That being said, he was an entertaining blowhard in a cast of not particularly entertaining people. ETA: And yes, Natalie also benefitted from the luck of Russell S. being pulled. |
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Posts: 819 (12/21/09 04:07 PM) Registered User |
If Russel didn't find the hidden immunity idol with no clue and played it so Kelly got knocked out, Natalie would never have made the finals. Natalie didn't find the idol to save her tribe. End of story. |
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Posts: 93 (12/21/09 04:10 PM) |
Stoked Up wrote: good point...although I assume the Russell haters are gonna be onto you in no time |
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Posts: 7715 (12/21/09 04:17 PM) Registered User |
And how far do you think Russell/the rest of Foa Foa would've gone if Natalie didn't boot Erik?
The Foa Foas needed each other. Russell would not have made it as far without them and vise versa. |
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Posts: 19 (12/21/09 04:27 PM) |
Russell basically said "I pwnt you bitches, gimme my munny" at FTC. How is that a good social play? Natalie's victory may sound unpleasant, BUT
if Russell won, it would be the biggest evidence that Survivor lost the spirit of its early seasons and became just a "OMG BLINDSIDES" show. Russell
wasn't friendly with those people. Russell didn't create relations with them. Russell would often trash talk them. Also, Russell many times over lied
for the sake of lying (seriously, a deal with BRETT?). Russell didn't even care enough to get to the final 3 with two bombs, like Shambo. His ego was so
big he really thought the jury, the 9 people he deceived, cheated, and mistreated (Jaison and Shambo aside - at least in front of them), would give him the
money just because "Natalie did nothing". Natalie knew enough to ally herself with someone with a bigger target on his back, to ally herself with
someone that ousted everyone that openy distrusted him. Natalie knew enough to be actually nice to those Galu people they eliminated. And most importantly,
Natalie knew that Russell's biggest enemy was his arrogance.
Russell could just have taken Jaison and Shambo to the F3. He would win easily. Nobody in their right mind would vote for a annoying whiny dude and the biggest trainwreck of the show's history, which was also a backstabber. He thought he could win against someone with a great social game just because he was "strategic". He underestimated the importance of relationships. Natalie didn't. For that she outwitted him. She didn't let Russell's trash talking beat her down, because she knew that would be his demise. She rode his coattails consciously, and she knew he would try to bring her down for that. She outplayed him by making him think she didn't have a plan. She's not the most exciting winner, I'd never say that. But she is not undeserving. She deserved every penny of those million dollars. There's a reason she got seven votes. You can say "waaaaahmbulance bitter jury", but the jury could vote for Mick. And they didn't. Because Mick did squat for strategy and squat for socializing. And his FTC performance is GOT to be the worst since Amanda, or maybe even since Neleh. Natalie worked enough to earn it. And if "work" means "ride the coattails of someone with no social game and then watch the person fall flat on the floor for that", so what? |
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Posts: 35233 (12/21/09 04:29 PM) Sexy asshole |
everyone who's jerked off to natalie needs to leave the thread now. your argument is jizz tainted. dirty little bastards.
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Posts: 14934 (12/21/09 04:32 PM) Registered user |
WillyEx wrote: It is similar in that Lisa won fair and square, as did Natalie- nobody was robbed of anything, if anything, both Danielle and Russell were too aggressive in their gameplay |
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Posts: 14935 (12/21/09 04:34 PM) Registered user |
Flav4 wrote: Having good social skills is probably the most important key to getting far in the game |
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Posts: 8135 (12/21/09 04:39 PM) |
cg41386 wrote:Well, that, and latching on to a real player who is also pissing off everyone else, and taking all the heat for the dirty work. This would have been Brett's win if Russ hadn't won that final challenge, and I think Foa would have been pagonged too. From the stuff Nat is saying, she played things really well, even stroking Russ' ego to get him to be even more braggy, knowing that would piss off that jury. |
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Posts: 561 (12/21/09 04:57 PM) Registered User |
Yeaster wrote: This may be the biggest myth of all this season. Natalie and her other 3 Foa Foas voted off Erik? My math tells me that statement is total bullshit. She mentioned to the Galunatics that she "didn't trust Eric", and because the Galunatics were EVEN MORE ARROGANT than Russell, they thought it wouldn't make any difference. Somehow revisionist history seems to mean that somehow the Eric vote is all about Natalie-and nothing about just how DUMB the Galunatics were. Natalie did a great job in building relationships and playing an UTR social game, and that is a valid strategy-but trying to show her as some sort of smart player in the general strategic part of the game is ludicrous. |
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Posts: 16046 (12/21/09 05:25 PM) Registered user |
NlGHTCRAWLER wrote:I guess what I really mean is this - he put the thought into their heads that they wouldn't vote for him. Part of Survivor is luck of the draw with who you get on your season. You need to correctly read those personalities, especially the crucial part where you need 4 or 5 votes, specifically, to win a million dollars. That's the key part right there. You don't need to win everybody over, nothing needs to be a landslide and you may need a bit of luck. Pissing everybody off and making them work in reverse to give you a vote has been proven, again, to be a losing strategy. It's all how well you butter them up. Todd looks better and better as a winner in retrospect. Besides, she's tried really hard and did her best! This was so anime. -SJ™ |
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Posts: 7718 (12/21/09 05:29 PM) Registered User |
Phukdis wrote:Um, every "victory" Russell's had this season was due to the total stupidity of the players around him. That fact doesn't stop the viewers (and Jeff) from sucking his nuts though. Give credit where credit is due. Natalie played a huge part in getting Erik out which helped Foa Foa big time. |
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