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I'm not sure why anyone would have wanted to take him out. He was the ideal F2/F3 goat. To his credit, he did do a good job of convincing everyone
in his alliance that he was their "real" F2 partner. To his detriment, however, he apparently had no idea why they all wanted to be sitting in front
of the jury with him so badly. And he still doesn't seem to get it. It's just pitiful, really.
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cid |
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Schadenfreude |
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Natalie being an undeserving winner and Russell deserving to lose are not mutually exclusive ideas. I think Natalie, truthfully, really only did one thing
really well: which was that she had the ability to read the jury a heck of a lot better than Russell. Russell assumed that a Survivor jury would vote
completely objectively based on who genuinely played the best as opposed to voting on bizarre, irrational, emotional reasons. Think about Jenna and Matt....
although Matt worked very hard around camp and Jenna.... did not, she trounced him simply because she was better able to read what the jury was actually going
to base their votes on and was better connected to them. Even Christy, who despised her, still saw it as an obvious vote for Jenna. Which is great, but the
thing is... that jury members come up with some completely bizarre, irrational criteria for deciding who wins the million, and Russell bet the house on a jury
consisting of 8/9 jurors coming from a tribe that ran themselves into the ground through a spectacular lack of strategy to vote solely on strategic reasons. Do
you, seriously, think someone like Erik or Laura or Monica is going to vote on strategy? Although I can't say that I think Natalie ranks among the best
winners of the show (I'd rank her roughly around Ethan and Amber in dead last, personally) I completely have no sympathy for Russell because not only do
you have to get yourself to the final, but you have to get people to vote for you, and Russell was woefully naive about the fact that jurors could potentially
vote in a completely irrational fashion based on the evidence of the eighteen past seasons. I never have had sympathy for decent strategists who just plain
don't get that they need to get jurors to want to vote for them, which is why I have always found Brian Heidik colossally overrated as a player.
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Cyberball2072 |
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agreed. While maybe Russell saw in previous seasons that the REAL players are often given the Jury vote, he took it for granted. He should have toned down some
of the dumping on the opposing tribe members, tried to build real relationships with them like Natalie did, instead of treating them like guppies.
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I think that the truth is that no one really deserved to be the Sole Survivor this season. No one of the top 12 players made a great game. Russell made a
strategic perfect game, but a horrible social game. And the rest of the people Whole Galu undeserving for let escape an advantage of 8-4. And the rest of Foa
Foa for just being carried to the top.
NO ONE DESERVED TO WIN THIS SEASON! |
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Axie.rsfd |
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ElmoEmo wrote:Hey, Mick did the "sit there and look pretty" even better and didn't get (and didn't deserve) a single vote. Your logic is flawed. Delusionally entitled Mick <3 |
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DarrellWTexas |
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ElmoEmo wrote:You were shown less than 2% of all the film taken, chosen for entertainment value. To make such a judgement about what Natalie did is about the same as knocking an Oscar-winning film when you saw only scattered bits of it totalling under two minutes. |
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cardswin5 |
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I hate the word "deserving" in regards to winning Survivor. Russell and Natalie both had their separate strategies and one of them won out. And the
whole argument is who "deserves" it more, well it doesn't matter because Natalie got it. THE END.
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PeanutButterandChocolate |
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ElmoEmo wrote:All she did was play him like a cheap fiddle, and he fell hook, line and Hidden Immunity Idols. |
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Holy shit, absolute X to the um....nth degree.
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troynuncdicit |
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ElmoEmo wrote: Well you're kinda sorta really wrong. |
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Cyberball2072 |
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personally I think Natalie was more deserving to win over Bob Crowley from s17.
Interesting that Susie in S17 did just as much if not more then Natalie did, yet at the reunion, Jeff Probst implied that Suzie did not deserve to get as close to winning as she did. |
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PeanutButterandChocolate |
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Susie didn't turn the game around by getting the opposite tribe to vote out one of their own. Mick is the one who resembled Susie, and he did not get one
vote.
When does Russ acknowledge screwing people over and humiliating them is piss poor strategy which cost him the game? He had some good elements that got covered by the stench of his own shit. |
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Apprentice Talker |
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Russell is a better strategist than Natalie.
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Cyberball2072 |
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Susie turned the game around by recognizing that the alliance she was in would not get her to the end ,and betrayed Marcus in that one vote. Many Survivors
failed to do the right thing even when they knew they were on the outs, and Suzie did the right thing in choosing not to be the 5th member of a 4 person
alliance- kudos to her.
Add to it the genuine relationships that she built and yes she was one cookie comment away from winning. Bob Crowley, while I like the guy personally, did much, much less to win the game. Sugar ultimately made the biggest error- she should have attempted to get Randy onto their alliance on the grounds that "no one likes us" and need each other to win (something that Keith Famie/Jerri manthey failed to do). And if that failed (and Randy would have never gone for it), Sugar should have kept Crystal in the game and taken out Mattie. Kenny would have gone next, Bob after that. Putting Crystal/Susie/Sugar in the final 3. Would have stank but it would have shown some game play on Sugars part. |
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