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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Agreed, it only gets a bad rep because there weren't many opportunities for the girls to walk around in just their bikinis due to them not being able to go
in the water until that pool reward (though...Nakum did in episode 3 and got lucky).
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ilovekelly752 |
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Posts: 560 (12/08/09 10:47 PM) |
It's one of my four favorites, with China, Micronesia, and PI.
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spina |
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My list goes something like this
5) Tom Buchanan (Africa) 4) Ozzy Lutsh (Cook Islands) 3) Yauman Chan (Fiji) 2) Terry Deitz (Panama) 1) Rob Cesternino (Amazon) Honourable mention goes to Amanda Kimmel - 78 days, 2 seasons and nothing to show for it. |
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tomash |
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Big Tom the strategic mastermind <3
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JLK Name |
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tomash wrote:HELL NO! and Ozzy/Terry were just strong people who dominated the challenges w/o those winnings they wouldn't make it to the final 3 during their 1st seasons. |
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Lexxan |
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CrystalOwnage |
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Rafe is REALLY underrated.
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Maniacboy888 |
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JackSparrowBauer |
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How is Rafe underrated? Yes he played a great game for the first 33 days, but he made not one, not two, but THREE incredibly retarded decisions in his last
five days in the game, causing his loss.
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CrystalOwnage |
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3?
The only one I remember was telling breaking the deal with Danni, which she was going to break anyway. And booting Lydia at F4 was not a mistake, jsyk. and I can't even think of what 3rd one you could be talking about...I need to watch Guatemala again. |
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Quiddity |
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Voting out Lydia was, as Stephenie loved to say "retarded". All Rafe needed to win the game in a blow out was to have him or Stephenie win the final
challenge. I don't care what excuses Rafe makes after the fact about Danni being sick during the last few days in the game, Lydia proved herself as
probably the worst challenge competitor in Survivor history and never in a million years was going to win that final challenge. Keeping Lydia around equalled a
Rafe victory, as simple as that.
While in the end I still think she would have voted him out, telling Danni that she didn't have to uphold her end of the bargain was a hasty, emotional statement Rafe made in the spur of the moment. Great players don't make stupid statements like that. Yes, she still would have voted him out, but that he would even say something like that showed him as too emotional a player, and when push comes to shove, you have to focus on what will make you most likely to win, not emotions. And no idea if this is what JSB is referring to, but being so loyal to Danni after Judd was voted out was very poor decision making by Rafe (or I guess you could say amazing gameplay on Danni's part). Rafe would have easily beaten any of the other players there. He would have beaten Cindy. He would have beaten Lydia. There's a good chance he could have lost to Danni. Rafe had Stephenie wrapped around his fingers, and that he doubted that enough to keep Danni around, who was the biggest threat to him winning the game once Judd was voted out, is another weakness on his part. Its a shame. Had he won, you could argue that Rafe was the single best player in Survivor history, dominating socially, strategically, being the immunity challenge whore, and most notably, turning Stephenie from beloved god.dess to ultra goat. Instead he completely threw his game away the last few days of the game.
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JPOz |
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^ Mistake #4: Cindy won car reward challenge. His reaction to her decision showed complete ignorance of how competition works. She won the challenge fair and
square, it sucks she didn't give up her car for him but she won it and he didn't. End of story. Same problem led to his failure after F3. He
didn't know enough about competition to realize that if he let Danni out of the deal she'd actually vote him out.
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JackSparrowBauer |
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What Quid said, pretty much. Except Danni didn't really have anything great to do with Rafe's collapse. He just had these random moral dilemmas where
he started making stupid decisions based on what felt right.
Three mistakes I was referring to. 1- Booting Cindy for really stupid reasons. He got so petty over the car decision, and he spared Cindy over the only person who he couldn't beat in a jury vote (Danni). His reasons that Cindy was a challenge threat was stupid, because she only won one physical challenge, and everyone other than Lydia could be considered a challenge threat at that point. 2- Booting Lydia over Danni. This was just ridiculous, because he had the game won as soon as he won immunity. He was just getting really paranoid that Steph wouldn't take him to the end, which was ridiculous. Him sending Lydia home was the stupidest move out of anyone in Guatemala. 3- Releasing Danni from her promise. Like Quid said, that probably didn't affect Danni's decision either way, but great players don't do that. |
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Survivorjus |
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I think Russell did what many others couldn't do --- be an extremely aggresive throughout the game and make it to the final jury vote. Had Rob C or Johnny
Fairplay actually pled their case, the way Russell had the opportunity to do, they might have won. Russell should have been a bit smarter and fed the jury some
sympathy that they needed. I enjoyed Russell "this is the game i played, I lied, I manipulated, but I played the game" kind of attitude - but there
was no compassion or likeability - which is important with a jury vote.
Best Players Never to Win: Kelly W - Physical Dominance, Immunity Run, friends with Pagong/Rich crafted the strategy & she couldn't out perform him on the jury Colby (Australia) - Physical Dominance, Immunity Run, Nice Guy, The 'Hero'/Picked the wrong final 2 partner AFRICA - I think the right person won --- maybe Lex, but he wasn't that great of a player either. Kathy VB (Marquesas) - Great Character Arch, Really crafted the misfit strategy to take out Rotu 4/She fixed her blouse THAILAND - The right personal clearly won. Rob C - Master manipulator, student of the game, entertaining and charming but devious/Played too hard and got caught, not trusted, big threat at finals so wasn't chosen Johnny Fairplay (P.I) - Despite being a huge villan was able to outlast/He couldn't beat a 50 y/o woman to secure his place in the finals & she didn't feel he deserved it over Sandra Rob M (All Stars) - Complete control of the whole game/He took all the bullets for Amber and had a bad jury performance, burned too many bridges Ami (Vanuatu) - Dominant strategist, physical competitor/Her 'girls rule' strategy hurt her, played her dominant hand too early PALAU - The right person won. GUATEMALA - The right person won. Danni clearly had a more subtle strategic approach and stirred things up when needed but let Steph take the bullets. Cirie (EI) - Considering her early game she overcame a lot of odds - couch potatoe turned hardcore player/Seen as a huge threat & couldn't make fire COOK ISLANDS - The right person won. (aka a snooze season) FIJI - The right person won.(aka a snooze season) Amanda (China) - Great strategic mind/Terrible jury performance FANS VS FAVS - As much as it pains me to say, Parv was probably the best player this season. Natalie would be a close 2nd, but Parv beat her out. Sugar (Gabon) - Clearly more of a power player than Bob or Susie, controlled a lot of the game/Played too emotionally, not a real survivor fan so didn't really understand the game TOCANTINS - The right person won. Taj & Stephen may have been more visibally strategic - but no one could touch JT and Stephen's jury performance was pathetic. Russell H (Samoa) - Yes, brilliant strategy - but NO social game. He lied and killed every relationship he had. He didn't get it was much more than a strategic game, its a social game about jury votes. Despite that, he did play very aggresively and completely controlled the game. Not a great jury performance - he pushed his game but no empathy. To Rank: Russell H Rob C Kathy VB Rob M Johnny Fairplay Cirie Amanda Kelly W Colby Sugar Ami |
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ilovekelly752 |
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Posts: 761 (12/21/09 02:12 PM) |
* if I think they played better than the winner.
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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As far as I'm concerned, Russell, Sugar, and Stephenie don't belong anywhere near a "top players to never win" list, at all.
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igloosmasher34 |
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1. Johnny Fairplay - he just played awesome was great at manuevering to the end and unlike cirie he isn't so likeable so he shouldnt have to worry about
winning the end challenge and should have made the final with a chance to win because of his gameplay and the bitterness towards second chance lill, I doubt
lill could have won against either but for some odd reason she thought sandra gave her a better chance.. stupid.
2. Ozzy (cook islands)- i know most people wouldn't agree but ozzy dominated that season and the jury was swayed by the stupidity to vote for a 'strategic mastermind' in yul which was a total fabrication. Yul was not a mastermind he just had an overpowered immunity idol which almost guarenteed him final tribal, even an idiot could have made the end under his circumstance, while ozzy really had to fight for it. yeah his social game gets criticized but its hard to play a strategic or social game when you are percieved as a huge physical threat with a target always on your back, the fact that colby lost to tina proves a common jury disdain for immunity challenge hounds. Tom would have also lost had he faced ian, and im betting terry would have lost against anyone but danielle, huge physical threats are at a great disadvantage in this game so I think making it to the end really shows what a great player they were, micronesia he lost a challenge and boom he's gone even with a solid alliance. 3. Rob C. - he changed the game up so many times and was sitting pretty had he won the final challenge. 4. Cirie - she was so good socially and getting her way, the problem with her gameplay was she was too likeable for her own good, since everybody knew they had no shot at beating her in the final tribal her only chance was winning the final immunity, and she sucks so bad at challenges so this was almost impossible, couldn't even win a challenge practically doctored for her to win in micronesia. So cirie is great at manuevering to the end but almost never had a shot of winning unless she had somehow created some animosity towards her throughout the game. I don't buy that terrys immunity idol killed her either because I don't think anybody would have taken cirie to the end, everybody knew that there chances of winning a million with her at the finals goes down to almost zero. 5. Russel - could have been right up their with richard hatch and brian hedick if he had better perception of the people he was around, the fact that he thought natalie was his best person to take to the final is sort of puzzling, he knew she was a lap dog but he should have known the other people would buy this as some sort of great strategy because they personally liked her. If he had taken any combination of mick, jaison or shambo he would have had a much better chance of the jury respecting his game enough to reward him the million. He should have won over natalie but the jury created this false image of nat being some great player(pointing at erik), which she was not at all, they may have created this false image for mick or jaison had nat not been there because of their animosity blinding them from objective thinking. basically the jury were idiots, worst jury ever. |
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Blueberry.celebprowresting |
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Stephanie
Cirie Eliza( I remember really liking her<3) Ozzy (Seems hated for some odd reason but loved him too) Massive Crystal<3 |
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Schadenfreude |
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1. Cirie Fields. I would go as far as to say she might well be as good as any female player to win the game... the catch being that the one weakness in her
game was the fact that she couldn't win that clinching final challenge to get herself into the finals. She has that balance between being a brilliant
strategist and yet so likable that you want to keep her around. The only women on this show that hold a candle to her, in my opinion, are Tina Wesson and maybe
Parvati.
2. Rob Cesternino. Essentially the male equivalent of Cirie (given his similar inability to win the clutch IC to get to the final) but I rank her higher because a) she made it deep into her second season; Rob did not and b) Rob made too many emotional mistakes that hurt him (turning on Christy, not pointing out to Matt that the jury would love Jenna....) I really think he revolutionized the game and paved the way for future players. 3. Amanda Kimmel. Clearly, getting herself to the final two seasons in a row, she's doing something right. I think the hole in her game is that she somehow can't get a jury to buy into her being a major strategic player, which is odd, since she's clearly a great player. She must come across as being quiet or vacuous or something? I don't know. Regardless, the catch with her is that she could easily win up against someone that was hated by the jury (as Amber and Natalie did) but she always went up against strong, deserving winners with articulate arguments as to why they should win. 4. Colby Donaldson. All he had to do was vote off Tina, take Keith, and hope she forgave him. In hindsight, I think people liked him enough and hated Keith enough that he'd still have won convincingly enough, but I think Colby played a brilliant physical and social game, with the misfortune of having to face Tina, who is a scary genius at the game in my opinion. I get that the climate of the endgame that season was that the jury had a lot of conservative Southerners that were kind of appalled by Richard Hatch and that backstabbing was not an option, but I think Colby did the best he could. 5. Stephen Fishbach. Great player, great strategist, but unfortunately fell victim to both his inability to articulate his strategy to the jury, and his inability to get rid of JT. So, basically, a hybrid of Rob C and Amanda. Honorable mentions: 6- Rob Mariano, for being a great player, but it would have all gone to naught if not for the fact that he proposed to Amber after the season ended due to the fact that he way overplayed his hand and pissed off the jury unnecessarily. 7- Stephenie, for being the last member of her tribe standing both times, but demerits for her inability to understand how juries work. 8- Kathy, for sheer perseverance against all odds, but tarnished by her preachy weepy ASS appearance. 9- Rafe, who played a brilliant game up until he made the massive error of letting Danni, the only person in the final six he had no chance of beating, come within one immunity of the million. 10- Russell, because he played a really strong game, but was even more oblivious to the jury aspect of the game than Steph and Rob Mariano, which i did not think was humanly possible. |
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Cyberball2072 |
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my top five players not to win.....
1) Colby 2) Russell 3) Rob Cesterino 4) Tom Buchanan 5) Amanda |
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