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Posts: 864 (12/22/09 11:15 PM) |
I will add a few from this season in
1. Brett is by far one of the most underrated players in a long time 2. Mick should have got less screentime then he already got 3. Russell is one of the worst social players we have seen in ages |
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Posts: 126 (12/23/09 12:43 AM) |
My Unpopular Opinions of the Week.
1. There is no such thing as a "strategic game" divorced from a "social game" in Survivor. Survivor is a painfully, childishly simple game. Majority Rules. That's it, that's the whole damned game. The only "strategy" that doesn't involve social manipulation involves the wit to see, for example, that 5>4. Any preschooler can do that. All of the rest of the "strategy" involved in this particular game is social: social intuition, social manipulation, and social influence. It's all about predicting what other people are going to do, and convincing them to do things that benefit you. That's it, that's all there is. Nobody has a "good strategic game but a poor social game." What the hell is that even supposed to mean, anyway? That you know how to count? That you've mastered the concept that some numbers are bigger than others? 2. The production team did not just suddenly decide to start "editing for story" at some discrete point in the season's history, whether that be after Thailand, or after Amazon, or after All-Stars, or whatever. They've been doing it all along. Go rewatch the original season. If you can't see how the story is being deliberately crafted, then you must be blind to narrative. 3. Real survival skills actually have very little to do with athletic ability or physical strength. So long as you are not so physically weak as to be effectively disabled, any able-bodied person (and many not so able-bodied people) can be perfectly competent wilderness survivalists. (Not that Survivor actually has anything at all to do with real life survival skills, mind you, but some people do seem to like to pretend that the big strong guys are somehow more relevant to the purported theme of the show. No, sorry. They're not.) 4. Watching excellent athletes play dumb corporate retreat-type games is significantly less interesting than watching more average people play them. The more athletic the players, the duller the challenges become to watch. 5. Natural landscapes do not require time-lapse photography to make them look good. On the contrary, time-lapse photography is capable of making even the most spectacular location look like one of those cheesy lit-from-behind moving waterfall pictures you see hanging on the wall in cheap take-out restaurants. Ahhhhh. Yes, thank you. I feel so much better now. |
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Posts: 818 (12/23/09 03:13 AM) MESS member |
The most underrated ability in the game of Survivor is the ability to count. If you have the majority at a given point, you are in good shape. If those in the
minority are better at counting or finagling than you, you're in trouble.
Juries are fickle and irrational. Some seasons they vote on who played the best, sometimes they vote on who they like best, sometimes they vote on who worked the hardest in camp, and sometimes they vote on completely petty, spiteful, and illogical reasons. Deal with it... RUSSELL! Brian Heidik is an overrated tool who just barely squeaked past an extremely weak competitor due to the fact that he did not understand the social aspects of the game. He is a player who could have easily lost to a senile old bat. Despite the fact that I don't much like them, Jenna and Heidi are underrated as strategists. The aspect at which they excelled, in my opinion, was knowing how to get rid of the people that hated them pre-jury, therefore stacking the jury with people that would vote their way. I HATED Pearl Islands. Jonny Fairplay cares more about camera time than the actual game, and I can't stand Rupert either. Thank goodness Sandra won because she was the only one of those idiots I could stand. Kelly W from season 1 owes the editors gifts for letting her get away with murder. I get that they wanted ONE likable finalist to not scare off the fans, but in hindsight, she was not a great player and probably deserved the villain edit more than Rich or Sue. Another underrated player: Sue Hawk. Probably the second-best player after Rich on season 1 in terms of keeping her eye on the prize and playing strategically... but did not have the votes that Rich or Rudy would have had. |
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Posts: 1062 (12/23/09 11:49 AM) Registered user |
I find Debb Eaton physcially attractive OK,,, she is fit
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Posts: 950 (12/23/09 02:35 PM) |
Hadn't Erik been voted out a F12, he or Brett would most likely have won the game.
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Posts: 879 (12/23/09 02:40 PM) |
If Erik stays at the 12
12th : Jaison Idol plays 11th : Erik 10th : Mick (Fear of Russell having idol) 9th : (Idol plays) but Natalie goes instead 8th : Russell 7th : Shambo 6th : John 5th : Dave 4th : Ties between Monica and Kelly Fire making I say Kelly goes 3rd : Monica 2nd : Laura Winner : Brett |
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Posts: 25 (12/23/09 02:56 PM) |
Shred wrote: I 100% agree with this. There is no way that Brett doesn't win Samoa if the rest of the Galus weren't complete idiots and caused the tribe to implode. |
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Posts: 951 (12/23/09 02:57 PM) |
Shred wrote: It's debatable of course, but here's how I see it. F12: Jaison still goes 8-4. F11: Russell and Laura's rivalry grows, he still finds the Idol and Kelly is still Idoled 3-0 (Laura still wins immunity) F10: Galu finally becomes aware Russell is very skilled at finding idols. Russ still goes on the reward, learns the clues finds the idol. Galu doesn't want to vote Russell, since there's a huge chance he has it (and will play it), so they turn against another Foa Foa. Mick is immune, so they go after Natalie 8-3. We assume that Russell does not play is idol, but wears it openly as a way of intimidation. F9: Laura and Russell continue to campaign for eachother's demise. Russell buys the Immunity Advantage at the Auction. Without Jaison present to win Immunity, Russell wins it instead. Russ still hoards the idol for himself, and the last non-immune Foa Foa, Mick, is voted out 8-2 F8: Shambo wins the bowling challenge (and Immunity) and there are two major Galu alliances: Laura-Monica-Dave vs Erik-John-Shambo, with Russell and Brett in the middle as swing votes. Russell finally plays his Immunity Idol, but Galu had anticipated this and split their votes : LMD votes for John , EJS for Laura. Brett and Russell are caught in the middle and join EJS to vote out Laura 5-3. F7: Russell has lost in HII, and unfortunately there is not reward challenge to give him clues about its whereabouts. After Brett won Immunity, Russell, unable to find the HII, is voted out. 6-1 F6: After John wins Immunity, Galu finally decides to take out one of their own. Shambo is the target proposed by Dave and Monica, but John and Erik plan to go to the Final Three with Shambo, so they decide to vote out someone else. They target Brett, as he's easily the biggest threat. Brett is voted out 5-1 (assuming Galu finally had learned how to play the game) F5: Erik, John and Shambo form their Final Three alliance, and target Dave. 4-1 (John's most likely to win Immunityà F4: Either Erik or Shambo win Immunity, and Monica is voted out 3-1 F3: John = Russell, Shambo = Mick, Erik = Natalie. The jury most likely votes like this: Jaison: Erik Kelly: Erik Natalie: Erik Mick: John Laura: Erik Russell: John Brett: Erik Dave: John Monica: Erik Erik wins 6-3-0 |
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Posts: 881 (12/23/09 03:03 PM) |
Lexxan no way Kelly gets Idol'ed with Erik still there. Foa hated him and he was number one on their list to vote off
Brett and Laura would have been the top 2 with Brett winning in a blowout. |
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Posts: 952 (12/23/09 03:12 PM) |
Shred wrote: 1) Shambo and Russell Targeted Kelly because of her proximity to Russell. Russell saw Laura as his biggest threat, and don't forget, she was the original target at F11. However, she wins Immunity, but Russell will still try to weaken her, by taking out one of her closest Allies. As Shambo (correctly) noted, Kelly is a bigger threat that Monica. Kelly goes. 2) If Galu was smart enough not to implode, they will be smart enough to vote out Brett and Laura waaaaay before the Finals. If either of them was even present in the Finals, they'd win by blow-out. Don't forget that Brett only had a F2 alliance with Kelly (gone by then), Laura and Erik. John, Dave, Monica and Shambo, despite the fact all three like Brett, have no agreements with him whatsoever and should be voting him out. (by that I mean the first three are the ones plotting and then use Shambo as an additional vote to gain a majority) |
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Posts: 884 (12/23/09 03:17 PM) |
Brett had an alliance with every tribe member to the end, Erik has even stated he wanted him to be at the end.
No way would Galu ever target Brett, it would not happen, Brett was the Galu Russell. Brett had his whole tribe around his finger. Dave clearly stated he wanted Brett their at the end by the way. Kelly would still not be idol'd out. Erik would have gone. |
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Posts: 769 (12/23/09 03:33 PM) |
Shred wrote:I think Monica would've been 4th, because Kelly and Laura were both close with Brett, and the two of them were close with each other. However, if Brett didn't win that last immunity, it could've been him, since he was well liked. I say Kelly wins, jmo. |
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Posts: 953 (12/23/09 03:50 PM) |
i love kelly752 wrote: |
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Posts: 786 (12/23/09 05:11 PM) |
Had Galu not fucked up, the final 4 prob would have been Brett, Laura, and with Kelly, Dave, or Monica filling out the last two spots.
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Posts: 887 (12/23/09 06:57 PM) |
I love Kelly, but she was not winning this season
If Kelly got to the final 3 with Laura and Monica Jaison : Kelly Erik : Laura (He has stated that Laura was the 2nd best player at Galu after Brett) Natalie : Laura Russell : Laura Mick : Laura John : Laura Shambo : Kelly Dave : Laura Brett : Kelly Close but Laura would have won Brett in the finals with Laura and Monica he gets all the votes period. |
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Posts: 774 (12/23/09 07:22 PM) |
Lexxan wrote: lol, different Kelly |
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Posts: 236 (12/25/09 03:35 PM) |
Lexxan wrote:You know, I enjoyed Samoa quite a bit. But this made me realize it would be even more enjoyable if Galu wasn't so stupid! This S19 would be one of my favorite seasons. It would be the history of how Russell's stupidity ruined Foa Foa. And the F8 twist is amazing. <3 I think John would win at FTC though. Not only John isn't as much of an arrogant egomaniacal dickhead as Russell, Erik is also pretty competent in the douchiness department himself. I say it'd go like: Jaison: Erik Kelly: Erik Natalie: John Mick: John Laura: Erik Russell: John Brett: John Dave: John Monica: Erik with John winning 5-4-0.
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12/25/09 03:46 PM.
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Posts: 920 (12/25/09 11:12 PM) |
John would NOT get to the final 3.
Brett, Laura, Monica and Kelly were gonna be the final 4 with Dave with them. TYVM |
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Posts: 153 (12/26/09 08:57 AM) |
I have a question.. I've been rewatching Marquesas lately (very underrated season IMHO).. Why did Tammy and the General vote for V at the F7 TC? It
wasn't answered in the episode, and it just came out of nowhere..
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Posts: 248 (12/26/09 10:15 AM) |
Shred wrote:But I agree with Lexxan; at the F11, Kelly would be Idol'd anyway. They wouldn't go for Erik. Laura's alliance of four would be a bigger menace than Erik's alliance of three. |
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