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scepticA		#5921	[-]
Posts: 1880 (12/23/09 02:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Ads no more Remove this ad How complex was RH's edit? I would give him OTT, maybe not even toned, because he was overall such a one-trick pony. Many here keep reminding folks that CP doesn't mean strategic. It means complex, and I just don't think the editors put a lot of complexity into his huge edit. That was one of the things that bugged me about it - they simpley replicated the same two-note symphony of his. Just wondering. I don't even know what season ratings mean, but it's entertaining to discuss.
BlakeB717		#5922	[-]
Posts: 2818 (12/23/09 03:15 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I totally questioned giving OTT, because he was such a distraction; but the season was through Russell's eyes. I think it'd be unfair to say he was one-note (even though he got so repetitious.. but that's clearly not what the editor's thought).
scepticA		#5923	[-]
Posts: 1881 (12/23/09 03:24 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I also see why he's CP. If however, it was seen through his eyes (and I agree!) wasn't the tone of the entire season over the top, absurd, RH only with others a bit players... even shambo? Heck, it doesn't matter much to me what people ultimately pick.so there won't be much argument here. Just like some analysis. All the other ratings I've seen so far seem pretty good, btw. If we attribute the definitions of ratings to the whole season's edit per player, OTT seems closer. Just IMO.
Jedijake		#5924	[-]
Posts: 6099 (12/23/09 03:39 PM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Anyone want to bet we'll see Russell and his wife on a future season of Amazing Race?
heyheyitspeter		#5925	[-]
Posts: 101 (12/23/09 03:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	My final chart:
Katy Carney		#5926	[-]
Posts: 9751 (12/23/09 04:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think Monica's final rating should be MORN, and I don't think John's should be UTR either.
heyheyitspeter		#5927	[-]
Posts: 103 (12/23/09 04:25 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Katy Carney wrote: I think Monica's final rating should be MORN, and I don't think John's should be UTR either. I had Monica as MORN for ages but changed my mind at the last second, even though whenever she was shown she got complex insight and she almost exclusively talked about the game, I think overall her overall story was UTRN and didn't come to full fruition till her glorious CPN4 episode. As for John......I don't know, he wasn't very memorable considering he helped destroy Galu
McPhever224		#5928	[-]
Posts: 536 (12/23/09 04:53 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Marisa-CPP Mike- OTT Betsy- CPP Ben- OTTN (Can we give him a double Negative as a final rating if so then OTTNN, but I guess there really would be no difference..) Yasmin- MORN (Had to factor in her INV and UTR1..) Ashley - CPM (I think she was more CP than people give her credit for, but I understand most people will see her as MOR) Russell S.- OTTM Liz- MOR Erik - MORM (Doesn't feel right to me...) Kelly - UTR (Poor Kelly) Laura - CPN John- UTR (Could definitely see MOR) Dave- MORN (Don't know why no one has given him a N edit overall yet.) Monica- MOR (Could definitely see UTR. TOTALLY disagree with the Negative though, and always have. We were not supposed to hate Monica.) Shambo- OTTM Jaison- MORM Brett- UTRP Mick- MOR Russell H.- OTTN (He was OTT, no matter how many CP's he got, I still think he is OTT overall) Natalie- UTRP
Hippochinfat		#5929	[-]
Posts: 549 (12/23/09 05:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Marisa-CPP Mike- OTT Betsy- CPP Ben- OTTN Yasmin- MORN or OTTN (Her INV1 and her episode 3 which should have been an INV1 bring her down) Ashley - MORM Russell S.- OTTM Liz- MOR Erik - OTT Kelly - UTR Laura - MORN John- CPN Dave- MOR Monica- MORN Shambo- OTTM Jaison- MORM Brett- UTRP Mick- MOR Russell H.- CPN Natalie- UTRP Last Edited By: Hippochinfat 12/23/09 05:05 PM. Edited 1 times.
Oowatanite		#5930	[-]
Posts: 9903 (12/23/09 05:20 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Ads no more Remove this ad Monica is MOR neutral.
YemaGrl1988		#5931	[-]
Posts: 8440 (12/23/09 05:44 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Oowatanite wrote: Monica is MOR neutral. NO SHE ISN'T!
BlakeB717		#5932	[-]
Posts: 2819 (12/23/09 05:50 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Lol.
astroline		#5933	[-]
Posts: 3011 (12/23/09 05:51 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I've stayed out of this thread when I told you guys all to die or whatever, but you know I can't resist posting my final ratings. Hopefully you guys will laugh and make fun of them like you do every other season, just like when I told you Mick wouldn't win. Marisa -- CPP Mike -- MORN Betsy -- OTTP Ben -- OTTN Yasmin -- UTRN Ashley -- MOR Russell S. -- OTTP (that's the impression that viewers are left with) Liz -- MOR Erik -- CP Kelly -- UTR Laura -- CPN John -- MORN Dave -- MORN Monica -- MORN Shambo -- OTTP Jaison -- CP (lots of MOR ratings, but very complex character) Brett -- OTTP (I gave Catalie an OTTN in Micro for the same reasons) Mick -- MOR Russell H. -- CPN Natalie -- UTRP
BlakeB717		#5934	[-]
Posts: 2820 (12/23/09 05:57 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	WARNING: Imature post antagonizing astro When there is only 1 winner, it sure is easy to say "x doesn't win". 19 in 20 shot in being right. I'll miss having you around, though. I always look at your winner pick--it ensures they don't. Remember this?
astroline		#5935	[-]
Posts: 3012 (12/23/09 05:59 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Blake, I'm not going anywhere. I'm taking a break in the offseason and since I admitted to everyone that I saw the spoilers posted in this thread (and suspiciously I'm still the only veteran Edgicer that admitted it), I will not be posting any winner picks next season. And so what? Liz's edit WAS Edgically possible after 2 (even 3) episodes!
BlakeB717		#5936	[-]
Posts: 2821 (12/23/09 06:01 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Enough to eliminate EVERYONE else? Glad you aren't leaving entirely. Really. I am still disappointed in what you did, however.
fsmdud		#5937	[-]
Posts: 2053 (12/23/09 06:23 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Have we already forgotten Astros edgic retardedness from last year?
unduli clone		#5938	[-]
Posts: 8086 (12/23/09 06:49 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Making fun of astro's final ratings is an Edgic tradition, but it's rather hilarious seeing as how a rating for an entire season is ludicrous in concept. There is no firm basis for choosing how a season-long rating should be chosen (is it the majority of their ratings? their boot episode? the effect they had on the season?) and it really has no effect at all on Edgic, so laugh away. (but, I am curious, would Yas really function as an UTRN or MORN when she had such an erratic edit? Every time she was visible she was OTTN, so it seems as though she should be either OTTN or INV) Also... Observations (In new order) 1) The winner may have ups and downs, but is typically not too UTR/INV or too OTT. Winners who are typically UTR will generally have a very defined tone. 2) The winner will typically have a fair amount of meaningful editing and typically won't be ignored in long stretches, especially during the latter half of the season. 3) Typically the winner has a clearly defined tone (either Positive or Negative), but is not overly Positive or Negative. 4) The winner is unlikely to receive an INV rating during the course of the season, and will likely receive a meaningful edit in both the premiere and the merge episodes. 5) Over the course of the game the winner's presence and visibility should end up closer to the average of all the players, which may mean that the winner is surrounded by players who keep our focus to distract us from the winner. These distracting players are often OTT, overly toned, or have high visibility levels. 6) The winner will have substantial comments/insight from many of the jury members that may resurface in front of the jury or mislead the audience on voting. 8) The ending is typically set up to be a somewhat of a 'surprise'. You either don't expect the winner or second place to be there. These two are often manipulated in the editing to make each look like they have a chance to win. 9) If two people are a 'known final pair' then the likelihood of them actually being the final two is slim. It would need to be a situation that cannot be avoided (i.e. Amber/Rob)
BlakeB717		#5939	[-]
Posts: 2822 (12/23/09 06:53 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Good thing is Natalie kept the "no more than 3 UTRs in a row" thing in allignment. 4 UTRs+ = long stretches. Too bad her's came at very bad times..
astroline		#5940	[-]
Posts: 3013 (12/23/09 07:00 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Ads no more Remove this ad Well I apologize Blake. I should not have brought that stuff into the open. I knew someone else was spoiled and wasn't saying it and suddenly I was being bombarded with 'proof' that it was you from various sources and so for whatever reason (probably cos they know I love jumping to conclusions and/or making an ass out of myself) I bought into it, but you were right in that I should have taken it to PM especially when you did actually PM me regarding that and I was fake and two-faced about it. So I do apologize, it was wrong. I know there are 19 out of 20 wrong winner picks, but there was only 1 majority pick throughout the entire season, and it was Mick. And I knew he didn't win because we were falling for another Marcus/Stephen/Amanda again and I didn't want our majority to be wrong again. But not enough people listened to my (true) arguments and we've become a joke yet again. But it's over now so I hope we learn from this. And that's a good point unduli about Yasmin being more than just UTRN, but you have to consider that she was only OTTN (aka not INV) in 2 episodes -- one in which she was kidnapped and HAD to be shown, and one in which she was voted out and HAD to be shown. When she didn't have to be shown, she was INV. That's why she equals out to UTRN for me, but maybe I'll change her to MORP just for fun.

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