Sshaaz, if it means anything, you get some props for being an American an knowing what melanin is. Are you American?
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'Survivor' Crowns A Winner, Offending Many Who Do Not Understand 'Survivor'
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Posts: 1380 (12/23/09 04:14 PM) |
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Sshaaz |
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Posts: 684 (12/23/09 04:15 PM) |
"How old are you?"
younger than SuperJude |
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SuperJude |
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Posts: 16313 (12/23/09 04:16 PM) Registered user |
I used to listen to melanin back in the late 90's, yo!
This really is the greatest possible ending to this season. First David Tyree. Now this! -SJ™ |
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Sshaaz |
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Posts: 685 (12/23/09 04:17 PM) |
This takes a massive amount of sack to admit: I'm from Louisiana, so French/American? Let the flames poor down!
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ThrowMeGabon |
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Posts: 1381 (12/23/09 04:17 PM) |
SuperJude wrote: 
It's a holiday miracle |
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xoDC3xo |
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Posts: 184 (12/23/09 04:22 PM) |
Sshaaz wrote:Agree to disagree, I guess. You can say what you personally would have valued as a jury member, but it doesn't change the people who are on the jury. The people that are cast are the people you get to play with. In Guatemala I would have voted for Steph. Do I think she deserves to win? No. She lost it fair and square. It would have been nice for Steph if I was cast on the season, but those were not the cards she was dealt. Plus there are the people who didn't make the jury. You can try and guess how they would have voted and play accordingly. |
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Sshaaz |
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Posts: 686 (12/23/09 04:28 PM) |
Bleh, DC...I guess I'm not getting my point across. I know that "my" opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans when it comes to awarding the
winner. I would just hope that finding out that your opinion didn't match the ones that mattered doesn't change your opinion. Example: I'm of the
opinion that Rob played the best in ASS. I found out that the jury didn't think so. Should I change my opinion? I don't think I should...
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Yeaster |
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Posts: 7740 (12/23/09 04:33 PM) Registered User |
You Russtards can argue until you're blue in the face, but the results speak for themselves. Natalie won. Russell didn't. End of story.
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Posts: 936 (12/23/09 04:34 PM) |
JaniTholeMyDolly wrote: Case nearly closed. Did he outwit, outplay, and outlast Natalie? Nope. The reverse happened. She won because she played Survivor the way it actually is played, not the way she felt it should or was meant to be played. She remembered that there exists such a thing as unwritten rules, social rules, playing to those who would be in a position to pass judgement. And she did it all without the help of a get-out-of-jail-free card. |
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Sshaaz |
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Posts: 687 (12/23/09 04:35 PM) |
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xoDC3xo |
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Posts: 185 (12/23/09 04:37 PM) |
Sshaaz wrote: No, I got your opinion. I just don't think the way you do. In my opinion the best player is the winner. For other people the best player is someone who I guess is always making bold moves and is always in control, or something to that effect. There have been 19 winners and they have all played differently and some similarly. Since I believe the winner is the best player I don't believe there is one way to win. Really the style of game play you should play depends on the season and the cast. If you can play Brian's game and win? Good on you, but sometimes you can't. I don't respect one style of game play over the other. If you can play it like Sandra, Danni, Bob, Vecepia, or Natalie and get the jury to vote for you. Great! That's what I love about Survivor personally, there isn't one way to win and hypothetically anyone can win.
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ThrowMeGabon |
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Posts: 1382 (12/23/09 04:38 PM) |
Yeaster wrote: So you've always been equally satisfied with each winner? Because if not, there's more to it than "X won. End of story." |
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Posts: 142 (12/23/09 04:39 PM) |
He outwitted, outplayed and outlasted and should have won. Case closed. No. He got outwitted and got outplayed. He was carried to the merge as a goat, then used as a tool to get his allies to the finals, where he was soundly defeated as had always been the plan. He served his function beautifully. He could have thwarted the plan and become a winner, rather than a pawn, if only he had actually noticed what was going on around him and taken steps to secure his jury votes. But he didn't, because he was so blinded by his own ego, and by the flattery of those who did not have his best interests at heart (by which I not only mean his #1 ally, but also the producers), that he came to believe that he was actually able to control votes that he was completely ill-equipped to control. He thought that he was in control of the situation, he thought that he knew what was going on, he thought that he was a freaking puppet-master, and he was wrong. He got totally played and now he's pissed as hell about it. Well, that's the way a lot of people feel when they get made a fool of on Survivor. Usually, they get over it. Every once in a while, on the other hand, someone decides to be a bad loser instead. Russell could have studied his game, figured out where he went wrong, and learned from his mistakes. Instead, he seems to have decided to try to out-twatwaffle Twatwaffle (and with, in my opinion, far less justification, since he didn't know any of these people from Adam before the game began and had no personal relationship with any of them.) Furthermore, unlike the original Twatwaffle, he's being supported in his narcissistic outrage both by production and its media machine and by the mass audience, who have now enshrined him as their new darling Rupert. But I wouldn't worry too much about him, if I were you, because he's sure to be handed a million dollars as soon as he fucks up his game a second time. It's the American way: self-promotion pays. Whee. |
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Posts: 186 (12/23/09 04:41 PM) |
ThrowMeGabon wrote:There is a difference between satisfaction and good game play in my opinion. I may have loved Steph and was heartbroken she lost, but she did, and Danni won. I may have been crushed when Cirie lost and damned the producers for the final two twist, but Parvati put herself in a good position where both people would bring her. Luck was on her side. For me I can divorce liking someone and the best player ie the winner. |
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Posts: 1383 (12/23/09 04:41 PM) |
What I don't get is Natards saying end placement means everything, and then saying Russell was a shitty player. If where you placed is the only thing that
matters, Russell was the 2nd best. Why aren't you complaining about Marisa? Mick?
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Posts: 16315 (12/23/09 04:41 PM) Registered user |
I've hated certain seasons winners, like Bob. A stain upon Survivor what with all the fake idol nonsense and crazy ass Sugar having a meltdown on national
television. He won and that was that, the defining moment of the season as with every season. Natalie winning did not prove anything contrary about
Russell's gameplay: He played hard and it got his underdog alliance to the F5. What it proved is what I've always believed about going on Survivor,
that numbers are everything and the most important number of all is the jury vote. By overlooking this fact, Russell opened the door for Natalie and her Little
Engine That Could win. The satisfaction for me is coming from the EPIC meltdown across the internet.
Not saving lives here people... -SJ™ |
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Posts: 688 (12/23/09 04:45 PM) |
I apologize profusely if this comes off as a slam against you DC, because I have to say...you are one of the few people who have argued your point to and T and
have done it maturely...so absolute respect. But I have to ask this: Do you watch Survivor and ultimately *need* 7-9 people to form your opinion for you?
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JaniTholeMyDolly |
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Kirblar wrote:Point taken on that. |
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SuperJude |
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Posts: 16317 (12/23/09 04:47 PM) Registered user |
CSC actually made a good point, it's kind of funny how many people seem to be on opposite sides of the fence from where they were watching BB, though
comparing Jordan and Natalie is ridiculous and superficial as is comparing Russell and BB natalie. Survivor is a better show as evidenced by this: Who was the
last winner of BB in the F2 that shocked anybody? As far back as I remember watching, it was obvious who won in the F2.
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Posts: 1384 (12/23/09 04:51 PM) |
In my opinion, BB usually ends with the 2 absolute least deserving people. The game is just set up that way. After it happens a majority of seasons, you start
losing hope. Dr. Will was the only great winner of Big Brother...and note how well he took the jurors feelings into consideration.
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