Sshaaz wrote:Discussed this already. NO. One cannot assume Natalie was interchangeable with Betsy, Liz, etc. - she wasn't.
By this entire mountain of logic, had Russell chose Betsy, she would have been the best player ever. Had he chose Liz, SHE'D have been the best player ever... Russell nailed it when he said Nat's only move of the game was aligning herself with him. Argue that point, I dare you.
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The best player is the person that gets the most VOTES?
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Posts: 685 (12/23/09 10:39 PM) |
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Posts: 69 (12/23/09 10:40 PM) |
so earl is the best player ever
he got 9 votes more than any winner |
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Posts: 16350 (12/23/09 10:43 PM) Registered user |
mftime wrote:No because Dreamz a.k.a. Black Jesus sacrificed himself for Earl's sins. I thought everybody knew this? -SJ™ |
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Posts: 686 (12/23/09 10:47 PM) |
Sshaaz wrote:LOL, how many people are posting on this account? If you want to keep going get some sleep and check your facts: No he did not spend hours on end searching for the idol. By his words it took 9 hours to find the first one and about 2 hours or less to find the others. And she explained the strategic reasons she had for choosing Brett to Russell when he got back from reward. |
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Posts: 711 (12/23/09 10:47 PM) |
JPOz, if Betsy doesn't flip out, doesn't the Ashley talk start with Natalie? The attitude was that Ashley was the weakest was probably stemming from
Russell's deflection off of Natalie, because she's the one who made it out of the "dumbass girls alliance."
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Posts: 687 (12/23/09 10:59 PM) |
Are you referring to the Ashley as weakest talk..you think if Betsy didn't flip out people would be saying Natalie was the weakest? |
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Posts: 714 (12/23/09 11:06 PM) |
Its all theoretical...I'm sure Russell would have liked to have gone into the merge 10 strong...but any talk of Natalie had to be squashed by Russell
immediately... I'm trying to remember if it was Ashley that Russ wanted out in place of Ben? help me remember
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Posts: 715 (12/23/09 11:08 PM) |
Its all theoretical...I'm sure Russell would have liked to have gone into the merge 10 strong...but any talk of Natalie had to be squashed by Russell
immediately... I'm trying to remember if it was Ashley that Russ wanted out in place of Ben? help me remember
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Posts: 688 (12/23/09 11:16 PM) |
The group as a whole was targeting Ashley. Ashley had been singled out as weakest challenge female at the first challenge and received 3 votes at first IC.
Ashley would have gone if Jaison had not spoken out.
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Posts: 716 (12/23/09 11:19 PM) |
There was a moment that Natalie was perceived as the weakest left, but Russell changed it to Betsy or Liz, one of the two women who stood up to him...seems so
long ago...
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Posts: 689 (12/23/09 11:26 PM) |
Day 15 the reward challenge where Russell Swan died. Both tribes went to group TC but learned no one would be voted out because Russell S. had died. Liz
would have gone that night if there was TC.
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Posts: 717 (12/23/09 11:36 PM) |
I remember now what got me through that line of thinking: It was when Nat didn't want to vote for Ashley and Russell said something in a confessional about
if she didn't do what he told her to, she'd never make it to the end...and he would have to have a 'little talk' with her. It was that moment
that made me think "welp, thats no different than Marisa or Betsy..." and figured Liz would end up in her spot...since it was apparent from his
comments that he needed a woman that didn't do much to take with him. I was just counting the days until Nat went home...
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Posts: 690 (12/23/09 11:48 PM) |
Sshaaz wrote:He needed a woman who would do whatever he told her to do...he was out there trying to control everyone. Betsy, Marisa got sent home because the questioned him. The little "talk" you referred to was one of the things that made it clear to her best strategy for dealing with him was to just stroke his ego. John said Natalie was actually a huge asset to Russell - she would invite John for a walk and lead him to where Russell was lurking. |
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Posts: 719 (12/24/09 12:10 AM) |
It was when he questioned Betsey as to why she didn't trust him from the beginning...because she wasn't a threat to him, and it would have been a
perfect thing for him to do...something along those lines. Basically telling her that she was someone he could take all the way, which is something I'm
sure he told all of the women. His idea was do something, carry people who don't do anything and he should win by default. We already know the flaw in that
plan, so we don't need to hash it out... but its not a bad strategy when you break it down. The finesse was lacking. Either way, they were all
interchangeable. I have a feeling that Russell protected her throughout because he underestimated her game. He saw things like plenty of people did...she
jumped on the horse and rode it all the way to the bank.
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Posts: 691 (12/24/09 12:30 AM) |
I agree, within the first 2 days we saw he made F2 pact with Marisa, Betsy, Ashley and Natalie and heard that he made pact with Liz, Jaison and Ben. Not sure
when pact with Mick was made, he was one of the Ashley votes at TC1. Later he tried to make F2 pact with Luara, never learned exactly what he promised Shambo
or Johnbo and lastly F3 pact with Brett. One of his major strategic blunders, built bridges but torched too many.
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