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You're not pro-Natalie, you're just ANTI-RUSSELL

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pinkbug8u		#41	[-]
Posts: 179 (12/24/09 09:26 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Cheese� milk's leap toward immortality. Remove this ad You can "should" all you want, it's not going to change the fact it's a game played by human beings. It's like saying "It SHOULD always be sunny" or "people SHOULD always have money." It doesn't happen. It doesn't take an Einstein to figure that one out. It does take a retard to continually deny this fact. And people know this going in, I don't get the point of denying it and saying it should be this way, when time and time again it's not. Denying human nature, in a "social experiment" show like survivor, won't win you the game. plus your supposed reasons for the motivations of the juror's vote is all conjecture. then again mine is too, conjecture about human nature.
RichPrick		#42	[-]
Posts: 620 (12/24/09 09:30 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	pinkbug8u wrote: You can "should" all you want, it's not going to change the fact it's a game played by human beings. It's like saying "It SHOULD always be sunny" or "people SHOULD always have money." It doesn't happen. It doesn't take an Einstein to figure that one out. It does take a retard to continually deny this fact. And people know this going in, I don't get the point of denying it and saying it should be this way, when time and time again it's not. Denying human nature, in a "social experiment" show like survivor, won't win you the game. plus your supposed reasons for the motivations of the juror's vote is all conjecture. then again mine is too, conjecture about human nature. You make a valid point. Human beings will vote on things like revenge and bitterness and that is a fact of life. I understand. However, pointing out that this is total bullshit is a valid point too.
pinkbug8u		#43	[-]
Posts: 180 (12/24/09 09:32 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	And I thought I already said I was comparing people with a similar strategy of Russel on that list. It's a list of players that controlled who got voted out, but unlike Russell, actually won the game.
Axie.rsfd		#44	[-]
Posts: 181 (12/24/09 09:34 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	RichPrick wrote: You make a valid point. Human beings will vote on things like revenge and bitterness and that is a fact of life. I understand. However, pointing out that this is total bullshit is a valid point too. Of course it sounds like total bullshit for someone that never played Survivor and doesn't have too much of a social life going on. But you know? In real word, with real people, when you treat them like crap, they don't give you a million bucks. It's true! I swear.
RichPrick		#45	[-]
Posts: 621 (12/24/09 09:45 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	pinkbug8u wrote: And I thought I already said I was comparing people with a similar strategy of Russel on that list. It's a list of players that controlled who got voted out, but unlike Russell, actually won the game. I wonder if Richard Hatch would have won with a jury like we had in S19. I could see a similar reaction if a genius player like him lost to an UTR player
Wolf Myth		#46	[-]
Posts: 127 (12/24/09 09:48 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Let's not forgot Natalie was instrumental in swaying Russell to not take Brett to F3. That's her PLAYING THE GAME.
RichPrick		#47	[-]
Posts: 622 (12/24/09 09:49 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Wolf Myth wrote: Let's not forgot Natalie was instrumental in swaying Russell to not take Brett to F3. That's her PLAYING THE GAME. Please. Like Russell (or any other Foa Foa) needed to be swayed in this point? Come on now. Even Trig Palin would have known not to take Brett to the finals against that jury.
Axie.rsfd		#48	[-]
Posts: 183 (12/24/09 10:03 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	RichPrick wrote: pinkbug8u wrote: And I thought I already said I was comparing people with a similar strategy of Russel on that list. It's a list of players that controlled who got voted out, but unlike Russell, actually won the game. I wonder if Richard Hatch would have won with a jury like we had in S19. I could see a similar reaction if a genius player like him lost to an UTR player He's a genius player = he knew enough to not. trash. talk. the. jury. Russell is not a genius player. If you really think so, your standars for "genius" are horrendously low.
RichPrick		#49	[-]
Posts: 623 (12/24/09 10:31 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Wolf Myth wrote: Let's not forgot Natalie was instrumental in swaying Russell to not take Brett to F3. That's her PLAYING THE GAME. BTW .. wolf myth.... why is Tina Yothers in your avatar?
Jedijake		#50	[-]
Posts: 6103 (12/24/09 10:58 AM) MESS member Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Cheese� milk's leap toward immortality. Remove this ad This season showed, more than any other except for maybe ASS (but there were relationships there that were established before the game), that there are two overall goals of Survivor. (1) Get to the finals. (2) Have enough grace that you win over the people you voted out. Probst reminds people of that over and over and over again. Rich, Yul, Todd and others knew that. Russell knew that but, while he may not have ignored rule #2, he didn't balance it equally with rule #1. Rule #1 was very easy for him, but he had help in loyalty. Rule #2 was more difficult. Still, the jury was never asked, except for Erik and Jaison, why they voted Natalie over Russell. Russell burned socks and emptied canteens, but did they know that? Russell called every single person except for Brett stupid, but did they know that? Russell went on and on and on about how he is on the level of God because he was meant for Survivor, but did they know that? What they did seem to know is that Russell probably felt and acted the way we saw him act when the other players weren't watching. To me, that says that Russell was transparent enough not to be able to hide his own attitude and feelings just as he wasn't able to show grace at the reunion. Rich, Todd, and even Brian hid what they really thought of the other players enough to garner votes and keep the bitterness away to win. Russell played a superior strategic game. If the game were based on strategy, Russell wins unanimously. However, there's still that rule #2 that needed to be taken into consideration. Even RobM and Danielle were somewhat nice to the others compared to Russell. The only one Russell showed respect to was Brett who STILL voted for Natalie. The problem is not with how Russell played or didn't play a social game outside of the strategy. The problem is what we did NOT see with Natalie's supposed social game. Galu did not have any reason to be bitter against Russell because Russell was the underdog and got rid of the majority tribe. The only member of Galu that should have been slightly upset at Russell was Shambo who actually voted for him. Ironic. Galu may have been pissed that they lost but moreover they were probably pissed at Russell's attitude. I somehow think they hid some of Russell's out-in-the-open behavior (and focused on his off-screen comments) almost as much as they hid Natalie altogether.
GrenadeJumper85		#51	[-]
Posts: 15058 (12/24/09 11:26 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Russell's actions after he lost at the reunion and in post-show interviews only confirms to me that the bullish, arrogant, and demeaning attitude he showed in his confessionals was also apparent when living with his fellow castaways when he wasn't showing off for the camera's. We already know from Natalie's and other castaways interviews that he openly mocked and laughed at people when they were getting voted out at Tribal Council.
Halati0n		#52	[-]
Posts: 797 (12/24/09 11:50 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	RichPrick wrote: pinkbug8u wrote: And I thought I already said I was comparing people with a similar strategy of Russel on that list. It's a list of players that controlled who got voted out, but unlike Russell, actually won the game. I wonder if Richard Hatch would have won with a jury like we had in S19. I could see a similar reaction if a genius player like him lost to an UTR player I think Richard was very smart but I don't know if I'd call him a genius.
Shred		#53	[-]
Posts: 899 (12/24/09 12:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Russwhore fans need to face it, his social game sucked. Sucked real bad. It was like Sugar laughing at Randy only every week and for no reason. Natalie wiped the floor up with him.
Syxx		#54	[-]
Posts: 176 (12/24/09 12:20 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The word Natalie should not be used any further. It should be referred to as "pylon," because it didn't matter who Russell brought to the end, the inanimate object would have won due to a bunch of sore losers on the jury.
TroubleInTampa		#55	[-]
Posts: 6294 (12/24/09 12:22 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Syxx wrote: The word Natalie should not be used any further. It should be referred to as "pylon," because it didn't matter who Russell brought to the end, the inanimate object would have won due to a bunch of sore losers on the jury. EPIC FAIL He would have beaten both Jaison and Shambo.
georgiaknight33		#56	[-]
Posts: 292 (12/24/09 12:22 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Just pointing this out, there's not a high population of people on this forum who hate Russell. Everyone generally likes him actually. Natalie has a huge fan base following since the beginning of the season in CTS. Your argument is invalid.
cateiz		#57	[-]
Posts: 485 (12/24/09 12:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Syxx wrote: The word Natalie should not be used any further. It should be referred to as "pylon," because it didn't matter who Russell brought to the end, the inanimate object would have won due to a bunch of sore losers on the jury. @ the irony of a Russtard using the term sore loser.
Syxx		#58	[-]
Posts: 178 (12/24/09 12:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	TroubleInTampa wrote: Syxx wrote: The word Natalie should not be used any further. It should be referred to as "pylon," because it didn't matter who Russell brought to the end, the inanimate object would have won due to a bunch of sore losers on the jury. EPIC FAIL He would have beaten both Jaison and Shambo. Don't you EVER use Jeff Probst theories AFTER the game was broadcast on CBS and jury members have had time to calm down. They didn't want Russell to win, and Mark Burnett beautifully showed us Monica and Laura telling Natalie that she didn't do anything.
sibesrul3		#59	[-]
Posts: 24 (12/24/09 01:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	pinkbug8u wrote: You know what the difference is with other strategic players who actually won vs. Russell? They were smart enough to know not to rub it all over the jurie's faces when they got voted out, taunt them, and arrogantly display their percieved dominance. Period. Yul was a stategic player who did it with class and respect for those around him. WINNER Todd was a strategic player who acted with a modicum of civility towards those in the jury. WINNER Parvati was responsible for most of the people in the jury and screwed them all over but she never snickerd and pointed at them. WINNER Rich never did or said anything to taunt those people in the jury, he just came up with something they didn't. WINNER Russell danced on their graves as they got voted out, prematurely crowned himself best survivor ever, made needless deals and betrayals. Having no class and a brute = LOSER Isn't that what Galu did coming into the merge? Proclaiming victory over the Foas telling them how things are going to work. They rubbed just as much as Russell did. All of Foa were dancing as Galu got Foanated.
pinkbug8u		#60	[-]
Posts: 181 (12/24/09 01:29 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Cheese� milk's leap toward immortality. Remove this ad yeah and look where both of them (galu and russell) ended up. not winning.

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