Can anyone make an argument that bitter juries make for more entertaining television?

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RichPrick |
Do bitter juries make for better or worse television? |
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Boston Rob, Russell, Richard Hatch type of players, if they're smart, will think, "I have to bite my tongue, I have to walk on eggshells around this
person, I can't act the way I would normally act in this situation because I risk losing votes." Instead of potential fireworks, we get a fairly
sterile, calm environment. This will evolve into more and more players using the UTR strategy. Perhaps a better way to win the final prize, but as viewers I
just don't see how this is more fun to watch.
Can anyone make an argument that bitter juries make for more entertaining television? |
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Mikester |
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"I have to bite my tongue, I have to walk on eggshells around this person, I can't act the way I would normally act in this situation because I risk losing votes." Unless they're retards, that's how they should be thinking anyway. The jury and the people are different every time so there's no way to really know, and I don't see it changing anything. Richard, Todd, Brian, Parvati, etc. screwed over a lot of people and risked losing because of the way they played, but won because the jury didn't vote bitterly. The opposite happened with Russell and Boston Rob. But after it happened to Boston Rob, we still had Russell. After Timbira lost their numbers, so did Galu. So people don't learn from past seasons, obviously.
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RichPrick |
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Mikester wrote:That wasn't the question. |
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smellofawoman |
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> Boring-ass juries of Guatemala and Africa
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Sshaaz |
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After 19 seasons, if you are a juror and aren't bitter, then you understand how the game really works and respect it. Makes for a more acceptable jury,
just a less entertaining one.
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RichPrick |
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Sshaaz wrote: Remember when Lex got all that sand in his c.unt because Boston Rob make some sort of alliance with him that he later broke? He, and the rest of the jury, punished him by giving the big prize to Amber (who almost did as little as Natalie in the actual game). The message to future contestants is clear: Do as little as possible if you want the best shot at the prize. |
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The thing is, no one on Galu was what I would call a "bitter Juror." They all knew that this game was Foa Foa vs. Galu all the way to the end, so
it's not like anyone was stabbed in the back. Mick, Russell, and Natalie voted for every single person on the Jury, so they all had equal blame. Russell
didn't lose because he orchestrated several boots, since Natalie orchestrated some as well, and was a party to the rest. He lost because he treated people
poorly while they were on their way out.
Simply coming up with a great strategic move doesn't make you a good player. As a Juror, I would respect the game, but part of the game also requires that you build relationships and be nice to people even if they are on the opposite side as you. That's the difference between players like Todd and Parvati and players like Russell. All three had the most strategic power in their seasons, but the first two built solid relationships with their opponents, while Russell only focused on his small alliance, only two of whom were on the Jury. |
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Apprentice Talker |
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Brett is a better juror.
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bensylarlocke |
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Bitter juries that hate a contestant=fun to watch
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Sshaaz |
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Jaison is bitter at Russell. Erik is a hypocrite, therefore bitter. Shambo made it clear what her stance was, is impossible to consider that the 90210 clan was
going to vote against her horse? There were honestly only 2 people on that jury that can be considered non-bitter, all things considered. Shambo got the boot,
wasn't bitter. John got stabbed in the back, wasn't bitter.
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Archibald C |
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I want to second whoever said that Samoa didn't have a bitter jury. None of them like Russell, but I don't think it had anything to do with the fact
that he voted them out.
I think some bitter juries are amazing, while others are hard to sit through: Vanuatu had was the best final tribal period. Eliza's crazy screaming at Twila, Julie crying, Sarge saying he never wanted to see Twila again, Scout saying Chris was up to his ears in bullshit. Great. Fiji, on the other hand, was painful to sit through. Every jury member yelled for no real reason, with people like Alex and Lisi being particularly horrible. Thailand had some great bitter jury moments, especially from Helen Glover grilling Brian. Gabon was hard to sit through, as they ripped apart a 40-something mother of 2 for no real reason other than she was a little annoying. So I guess it's a real toss up. |
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Dingo |
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The fact that all you retards are still talking about it just proves that "bitter" juries make better TV. The producers probably couldn't be
happier with how Samoa ended.
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Sshaaz |
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"Natalie orchestrated some as well"
name two fuck it, name one that was even her idea...
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smellofawoman |
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Erik, and Russhole in getting the jury to vote for her instead.
Voila! |
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Sshaaz |
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Erik was her idea? I missed that episode
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Cyberball2072 |
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a completely bitter jury makes for a bad season, to be sure, if they are bitter at one person's expense and not the other. It more or less makes the season
an exclamation point against that person.
However, individually bitter jurors are often quite entertaining, when they are angrly and bitter personally at someone whereas the rest of the jury may or may not share those sentiments at all. / S1- Think most of the jury were generally bad sports I suppose. S2- definitely a good jury S3- a jury that did not have a choice of the REAL players, and went for the nicer of the two. S4- split, some jurors were mad personally, others were going on gameplay. S5- split again S6- a pro Jenna/Anti-Matt jury S7- entirely an anti-Lill jury S8- An anti Rob M jury S9- an anti-Twila jury S10- a pro-Tom jury S11- an Anti-Steph jury S12- split, some were pro-aras, others anti-Danielle. S13- split between pro Ozzy and Pro Yul. S14- almost entirely a "anyone but Cassandra and Dreamz" S15- a split, even jury S16- split again, some pro-and anti Parvati votes to be sure S17- an anti-Sugar/not as anti but still Anti Suzie jury/Bob is a nice guy might as well be him jury. S18- a complete Pro-JT jury. S19- an anti-Russell Jury. |
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Ooga Ooga |
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Archibald C wrote: The jury was not necessarily bitter at Russel. John was vey bitter at all the other members of his tribe. Remember his poignant speech when he called them all idiots and said their analytical skills were pitifuly short of the skills of the Foa Foa tribe? The rest of the jury was probably far more bitter at Shambo than they were at Russel. After all, it was Shambo that started the Pagonging rolling. But there is no mistake. The rest of this jury had every right to be angry and bitter at someone. They had a solid 8 to 4 lead but then blew it. The rest of the jury doesn't like Russel. But they are too angry at him to be bitter. They just think he is slime and want nothing to do with him. After all, he was just acting according to his nature. I wouldn't call this jury bitter at Russel. They despise him because of his lying, backstabbing and blindsiding. But they tried to do the same thing to Russel. But they couldn't because he outsmarted them with the HII. So, in order to save face, they have to make up some other bullshit story and blame someone else besides Russel. If this jury is bitter at anyone, they have to be angry and bitter at some of the other members of their tribe who turned on them - like Shambo and John. They can't claim to be angry or bitter at Russel because they tried to backstab and blindside him but failed when he outsmarted them. They know they will just appear to be crying "sour grapes" if they blame Russel for their loss. Instead, they have to try to put the blame on other members of Galu who were disloyal and lacked integrity. Of course we all know that is bullshit. They are just pissed off that they got beaten at the Survivor game (backstabbing and blindsiding) but they can't blame Russel who outsmarted them. Instead, they have to blame other Galu members like Shambo and John who they can claim were disloyal and lacked integrity. Shambo was probably bitter at everyone because that is just the way she rolls. The one person who lied to her and backstabbed her was Russel. And she seems to love him. So, go figure. That's Shambo for you. What a nut! Shambo can't control most anyone or anything in her life. So to cope, she's just bitter at everyone while pretending to be on top of the world. I can't figure it out. And I know better than to bother trying. But it seems obvious to me that bitter juries make for better TV. I love to see the expression of betrayal on the contestants' faces when they get backstabbed and blindsided. But, unfortunately, they try to cover it up and usually succeed. I want to see the effect that Russel had on people when he lies, backstabs and blindsides them. But they hide it because they don't want to look stupid. This jury should be bitter - mostly at themselves. They were responsible for the single biggest Pagonging in the history of the game. And they Pagonged themselves. John was right. The analytical skills of the Galu tribe were for shit.
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Ooga Ooga wrote: Why should I read either of those posts? -SJ™ |
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SuperJude wrote: Well, I seem to recall that on an episode of Survivor Samoa, the announcer said that before leaving for Samoa, Shambo had lost a huge amount of weight - like maybe 50 lbs? You said you saw her the night of the reunion. It looked to me like she had put most of that weight back on. Did it look that way to you? If so, it would seem that Shambo was unhappy about something. People who loose a ton of weight but then regain most of it very quickly have usually been upset by something. Shambo claims she has no problem with the way she was backstabbed and blindsided. But if it's true that she regained most of the weight she lost since arriving home, I would guess she is upset about something. Maybe it was the way things turned out for her on the show? She knows and we know that her saying she has no problem with the way she was treated is probably just bullshit - just a cover story.
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micronesia |
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Extremely bitter jury LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What else are they good for???
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Sshaaz |
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Didn't Shambo say she wants nothing to do with Survivor anymore? I know she states that it has everything to do with the fact that Russell didn't win,
but maybe you're right, Ooga...she might be pissed at a number of things, including the 'gilligan' edit.
As far as I can tell, Ooga, you aren't pro-Russell. But to come to the realization that this jury was embarrassed is the main point I've been trying to put forth around here. Being as absolutely foolish as they turned out to be, pride takes over and someone has to be punished. Russell set himself up to be the perfect scapegoat for them. So, yeah, they were bitter at themselves. Jaison, not being part of that chain of fools, is bitter at Russell. So this jury was bitter, but less entertaining than you'd hope for. I hate to see a FTC and think "Is this the best you could do?" I think it was St Jude who posted somewhere that John was useless and/or stupid somewhere... He is pretty much the only person on the show that had a handle on what was going on. The best part being, it wasn't at the Reunion, nor a red carpet interview...but, during the game. |
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