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Posts: 3067 (12/31/09 04:42 AM) |
Samoa's Postmerge have been one of the most awesome.
Though EDITORS HATE for giving Brett a shitty edit. He would be much more loved than Rupert had they give Galu a better edit. |
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Posts: 53 (12/31/09 06:07 AM) |
Brett was not interesting. Under the radar does not make good t.v.
And I swear his voice still cracks. |
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Posts: 646 (12/31/09 06:19 AM) |
Sshaaz wrote: I don't think you understand what "gold" means. |
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Posts: 115 (12/31/09 08:06 AM) |
jgabler wrote: This. Had Brett been given a bigger edit, the same faggots complaining that he wasn't given enough airtime would be complaining he got too much. Had Brett been even a little bit interesting the editors would've been all over him. Erik got a great edit, and he was the first juror. There's a reason for that...He gave great confessionals, and actual made attempts at STRATEGY! Brett did neither. Same goes for his fellow prayer warrior Natalie, who did so little out there she was almost as invisible as Brett and she was the FUCKIN' WINNER! |
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Posts: 3145 (12/31/09 08:27 AM) Registered user |
Just by looking at the Insider clips, I feel there was so much that we could have been shown that we weren't that would have made Samoa so much better.
Like, Kelly's personality didn't seem to exist until Ponderosa clips came out, and there were some great confessionals articulating Natalie and
Brett's strategies.
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Lake Like The Ocean |
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Posts: 762 (12/31/09 08:28 AM) Registered user |
XD at calling Exile Islands/China "classic" seasons.
The main problem with the show is that it has become so overproduced. It just felt so authentic in the first few episodes... No silly dramatic chords when people wince at tribal council, few and limited twists.. it seemed like the editors were trying to show us what happened rather than manipulate us by only showing a controlled portion of events. Recruiting people who aren't fans of the show doesn't help either. |
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Posts: 211 (12/31/09 11:00 AM) |
I pretty much agree with this. I think Tocantins was great because it did go back to the original format with AMAZING characters, yet no one seems to
acknowledge that. So even if it does go back to what it should be, people here still won't like it IMO.
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Posts: 601 (12/31/09 11:21 AM) Registered user |
I agree that the main reason this season was so crappy was the editing. The only real thing to do this season was root for or against Russell. Mostly all the
other people were overlooked in favour of more repetitive Russell bullshit. Besides Shambo, no one else seems to stand out. This season could've been far
more interesting if we had been given enough about the other people to care about them also. So many potentially good characters were under-utilised this
season it's insane.
As has been said, Brett could've been the "hero" of Galu and the one that almost triumphs against Russell, giving those who hate Russell someone to root for, rather than just hoping he doesn't win. Laura, if fleshed out more, could've been a major villain rather than a sort of villain for a few episodes. Even a little insight into Kelly would've been interested. At least we would get a chance to form an opinion on her rather than assuming she must of been boring. Of course the major problem is the Natalie edit, being that she was the winner. The main reason so many people are so unhappy with her winning is because she got such a shitty edit. At least if we saw her getting the target off Russell's back pre-merge or plotting with the Galu girls post-merge as she said she did, we would see that she had somewhat of a decent strategy and it would at least be understandable to the casual viewer why she won. The Natalie v Russell storyline that we got slight glimpses of could've also be so much more prominent and could've really explained the season. Seriously, there is just so much potential from this season that I am shocked they managed such a phenomenally shitty edit of it all. So much good went to waste, all so they could overhype Russell to no end and make him look like the biggest villain ever. No wonder the show is going down the shitter when it has deteriorated so much in terms of storyline. |
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Posts: 33 (12/31/09 11:41 AM) |
027huds wrote: You made a great point about Natalie's edit not showing us all about her moves. I believe the poor edit is coming from that the premerge boots all happened in FoaFoa and so it has to be about Russell.When it comes to postmerge, FoaFoa's strategies were proposed mostly by Russell except for the time Erik got eliminated. Russell's second hidden immunity and the deal he made with John were the key moves of the whole season.I believe nobody else would make the deal with John,not Natalie,not Jaison,not Mick. The biggest storyline was the FoaFoa underdog coming back in charge line,and it happens only because Russell's there. In all, I think Russell getting a lot of the airtime is pretty fair. |
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FishNChips |
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Posts: 510 (12/31/09 11:48 AM) |
EPR2012 wrote:What do you Wish, to change history for your TV Viewing Pleasure? I mean give me a break, you can never guess how Survivor will end, and it's funny how you can speculate how you would want it to go, to give you more viewing pleasure. It is what it is. The Midget had some moves but Nat Owned His Ass in the end. It was a great ending. And Jason was boring, what a pompous snob elite poindexter. |
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MonkeeSpanker |
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Posts: 1248 (12/31/09 11:58 AM) |
Couldn't disagree more with the OP, Brett a fan fave? No way in hell, you call China a classic also - that season sucked hard, almost as bad as Gabon. I
must be watching a different show than most of the sheep here...
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Fart Party |
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Posts: 374 (12/31/09 12:00 PM) |
It's painfully skewed editing in hindsight. But to be fair, what they do is follow the losing team pre-merge because they've got the boot. Foa Foa kept
losing, so Galu wasn't doing anything interesting. I mean they were laying around the beach, doing yoga, etc... and the editors would have had to really
slap stuff together I think to try to make personalities out of a bunch of people just chilling but being guarded about the game still.
I do think they really need to look at this editing style at this point though, because there's been too much of a downward trend between Tocantin's Suzy Who? and Samoa's Galu Who? The villain personality stuff needs to go. As someone said already, you can have a Fairplay kind of person on without a Sugar/Coach/Russell airtime monopoly. I guess this stuff must have started with Parvarti, and they wanted to frame the future seasons with her kind of winner-villain persona leading, but it's a failed experiment. I think what would be best is if they just go back to reality TV roots and ask questions from all the players in confessional (not Tribal Council where they say nothing) on both teams in every episode. I'm sure they still do a ton of this, but why is almost none of it on the show except for a couple personalities? The viewers need to see the whole picture too, or they're going to just end up with more super skewed edits like this. |
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Posts: 1017 (12/31/09 12:53 PM) |
 at some of the responses in this thread
There is a reason why the newer seasons are not as loved and cherished as the older seasons. The editing is the reason. They keep fixing things that were not broken in the first place. They need to sit down and re watch Pearl Islands. Then follow editing from there. I don't expect them to go back to Borneo and Australia like editing but something like Pearl Islands has the perfect mix of old and new. There were some fantastic stories this season that the editors flushed away. Brett for All Stars PLEASE. Natalie as well PLEASE. |
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Posts: 459 (12/31/09 12:59 PM) |
a fine frenzy wrote: I somewhat agree with this. The problem with Tocantins was editing once again shoving useless strategy talk down our throats for a whole episode, every episode. Like the exile island alliance that never even came to fruition.
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Posts: 1019 (12/31/09 01:03 PM) |
Tocantins being an older edited season is a complete myth. It had the format, but if they edit it like meth heads it is not gonna matter. Though Tocantins had
a lot better editing then Samoa.
Like already stated Tocantins had way to much Coach and every episode was nothing but strategy talk. |
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Posts: 962 (12/31/09 01:09 PM) |
The editors and producers don't care about anything except being lapped up and talked about. And this season, they got both in spades.
Even if the ending wasn't exactly what they or the cult of their golden boy were looking for.
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Posts: 460 (12/31/09 01:09 PM) |
FishNChips wrote:Jaison was not a ball of energy through most the season i agree. And he was pompous and an elitist snob. But regardless of those bad qualities, he was a character. I wish we were shown that outburst he had at the 2nd or 3rd challenge.... His pompous attitude would have made his boot more epic and more of a blindside. And as far as my speculations, its not a far reach to say that eliminating 2-4 people who had no storylines and had a bland edit and game would have made the season better. Also, my family and friends who watched the season really began to root FOR Natalie and Brett towards the end, not just against Russell. But once their personalitys were shown (waaaay to late) people began to like them. They did have personality. So what if Brett was a good guy. |
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Shred |
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Posts: 1021 (12/31/09 01:13 PM) |
EPR2012 wrote:Jaison had a good story, he was someone who wanted to pull a Osten and then kinds recovered. But the editors pretty much ignored that as well. Like stated his outburst would have been cool to see, but they had to leave it out for Russell, cause Russell had to repeat himself 100 times in one episode. Yes 16 people would have been way better this season, Mick, Liz, Kelly and John were all not needed. I hands down thought Brett and Natalie were 2 of the most interesting people out there. Brett was the perfect polar opposite of Russell. Both had their tribes around their fingers and both lead up to a final 4 match up, good vs bad. Samoa coud have rocked with better editing. |
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Posts: 2353 (12/31/09 01:15 PM) Registered user |
Exactly, Brett almost became fan fave without even being shown early on. A HUGE mistake.
I just think that editing nowadays has to be about one character (Sugar, Coach, Russell) and the rest of the season centers around that and I hate it because so many good people get shafted. |
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Posts: 1503 (12/31/09 01:21 PM) |
Fart Party wrote: Shred wrote: The other fundamental problem, especially in Samoa's case, is casting. Like that saying goes about dressing up shit: there's only so much the editors can do. Inversely, with an interesting cast like Borneo even a pagonging is enjoyable. No contestant should be INVS on this show. It's good that we can make a joke of it but it is a slap in the face to the audience and invisible. You cast the fucker, let us hear the sound of their voice. Even if their confessionals don't sound like a movie quote, I promise it will help with comprehensibility. Not asking for the world. Not asking for totally equal and fair editing. But I don't know what the fuck actually went on in half the new seasons and I'm never going to get that information. That's unsatisfying. Post-game heresay, unsatisfying. At some point, this game, editing, and casting has to change into something else. I guess the scariest part is it could actually become more vapid. (please be good S20) |
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