People like you are why I am starting to hate Steph.

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SurvivorNinja |
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If Stephenie was a good gamer she could have gone to Cindy and Lydia at F5 to vote out Danni. Danni being in the game did not help Steph in the least because
(Danni) was closer to Rafe, and Lydia/Cindy were closer to Steph. Stephenie did whatever Rafe told her to and it was always moves that helped him to get the
win, not her. Steph fucked up right along from the merge onward in Guatemala.
People like you are why I am starting to hate Steph. |
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Shred |
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Cindy really liked Stephenie
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JackSparrowBauer |
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SurvivorNinja wrote: rofl people like me? There's like 5 people tops who like Steph like I do. 75% of Sucks like Courtney the way you do. Lydia was NOT closer to Steph than she was to Rafe. Lydia/Rafe/Danni bonded over being left out on two consecutive rewards at F6/F5 (neither of which were Steph's doing btw), and Lydia always liked Rafe more. If Steph really made a decision to get Cindy out then she wouldn't have told Cindy that Rafe was targetting her, and she wouldn't have said in her voting confessional that she really wanted Cindy to stay but Rafe/Danni/Lydia were all deadset on Cindy going so she didn't have a choice. Her mistake was booting Judd, because if she hadn't she still would've done much better, but she couldn't have anticipated Rafe having his stupid moral dilemmas and insisting on keeping Danni around. Rafe had more power than she did (which don't get me wrong was her fault), but that's not a colossal mistake that means she threw her entire game away and makes her worse than Courtney fricking Yates and wtf from the merge onwards? She was the one who put Bobby Jon on the jury. She was the one who continued to build bonds with Gary and Danni, and she probably would've gotten both of their votes if Danni were on the jury and if Steph weren't against Danni (who was both Gary and BJ's ally). Voting Jamie was a good move, too, seeing as he never trusted her and didn't want to go far with her. |
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SurvivorNinja |
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I'm not talking about fanbases JSB I'm talking about people who think Stephenie is a good gameplayer. She sabotaged her own game hardcore in S11 and
she was part of the biggest clusterfuck tribe in history in S10 only to cry her way into the F7 and get booted. Keeping BJ at 9 over Danni was better for
Stephenie based on her standing with the two of them at the time. The only vote I think Steph timed right was Jamie and Gary and if I remember correctly Jamie
was again a lot of Rafe's doing because he kept pressuring Rafe (more than the others) for reassurance.
Steph shouldn't have booted BJ, Judd or Lydia the way they were booted. Also if Cindy was so sure Steph wanted to keep her (and Danni didn't) why did she not vote Steph in the end? I think if Steph really wanted Cindy to stay bad enough she could have pushed for it and got her way..she was immune that round anyway so it couldn't have hurt...if she was a good gamer. |
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JackSparrowBauer |
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Steph in Palau was a great gameplayer. That tribe being such a disaster was because Jeff hurt his ankle and quit. They most likely would've won the episode
3 and 4 IC's with Jeff there and fully healthy, and then at F12 it would've been 6 Ulong vs. 6 Koror and anything could've happened. Jeff hurting
his ankle screwed all of Ulong and was terrible luck, not just for Steph but for the whole tribe. Everyone was scared of her by the time she got out because
everyone thought that if they let her go any further, she would've won.
Keeping Danni over BJ wasn't a mistake. Danni was a complete non-entity at that point and BJ was a huge physical threat (well, way bigger than Danni at least). Judd, yes that was a mistake, but after that point it was just Rafe screwing up everything. Lydia she could've handled better, but all that could've done was POSSIBLY get Lydia's jury vote, because Rafe was voting Lydia no matter what, and there was no way Lydia would beat Danni in a tiebreaker, so she was going home no matter what. I still don't see Lydia voting for Steph against Rafe or Danni, though, because according to Danni and Rafe post-show, the 3 of them (Danni/Lydia/Rafe) were way closer at the end of the game than the editors showed us. Steph DID try to save Cindy but it obviously didn't work because the other three pretty much determined that Cindy needed to go when Steph and Cindy were on reward. The best thing Steph could've done was throw a vote at Danni or Lydia but that would've just been stepping on Rafe's toes. I would've thrown a vote at Danni or Lydia if I were in her position, but I can understand why she didn't, because I thought Cindy was going to vote for Steph either way, but apparently not I'm not trying to say that Steph was some kind of an amazing player in Guatemala, I'm just saying she gets too much flak, when in reality, Rafe (and his paranoia and moral dilemmas) is the reason Danni won, not Steph's screwups. |
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SurvivorNinja |
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Steph in Palau was a great gameplayer. That tribe being such a disaster was because Jeff hurt his ankle and quit. They most likely would've won the episode 3 and 4 IC's with Jeff there and fully healthy, and then at F12 it would've been 6 Ulong vs. 6 Koror and anything could've happened. Jeff hurting his ankle screwed all of Ulong and was terrible luck, not just for Steph but for the whole tribe. Everyone was scared of her by the time she got out because everyone thought that if they let her go any further, she would've won. No she really wasn't. She is one of the main reasons Jolanda went which potentially hurt them. She also made a deal with BJ that she will vote James if he will vote Ibe after that..then she went back on that and forced a tie, only to then re-vote out James. The next round when BJ wasn't sure what to do she tried to fault him for "going back on the deal" when technically her forcing the tie in the first place should have killed that deal and she logically should have known that. Steph doesn't use logic. She was kept at 9 because Coby was more threatening and then at 8 because Janu quit. Steph made poor decisions on Ulong just like she did on Xhakum. Keeping Danni over BJ wasn't a mistake. Danni was a complete non-entity at that point and BJ was a huge physical threat (well, way bigger than Danni at least). Judd, yes that was a mistake, but after that point it was just Rafe screwing up everything. Lydia she could've handled better, but all that could've done was POSSIBLY get Lydia's jury vote, because Rafe was voting Lydia no matter what, and there was no way Lydia would beat Danni in a tiebreaker, so she was going home no matter what. I still don't see Lydia voting for Steph against Rafe or Danni, though, because according to Danni and Rafe post-show, the 3 of them (Danni/Lydia/Rafe) were way closer at the end of the game than the editors showed us. BJ was also going to continue to be a threat and Danni was going to float as a non-entity. The smarter thing to do would be to take out the person more likely to coast...esspecially when you have a merged tribe stacked with challenge threats in Judd, Cindy, Jamie, Gary and Rafe. Steph went with the flow because that is all she ever does. If she wanted to save Cindy she could have gone to Lydia after winning immunity and telling her that Danni is a threat that needs to go and if she doesn't go along with it she won't see the finals. She didn't want to save Cindy bad enough obviously and set herself up to have Rafe continue to call the shots and he lose ally after ally. I''m not trying to say that Steph was some kind of an amazing player in Guatemala, I'm just saying she gets too much flak, when in reality, Rafe (and his paranoia and moral dilemmas) is the reason Danni won, not Steph's screwups.Rafe is the reason Danni won, sure..but Steph is the reason Rafe had the power to make that happen. She was his lap dog. |
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aboutbreakingrules |
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Can we just get back to the donkey with the massive overbite and the camel voice? There's other threads to chew the fat on Stiff Fanny.
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emjoi |
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Moo.
Hang on. That's Denise. |
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SurvivorNinja |
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No. Danielle is such a non-issue and should be ignored. This thread should be used for OT discussion now.
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WylDawg |
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As much as I agree with this thread, I remember Amber having a very similar titled one in the first All-Stars, then Parvati in Micronesia........ you see where
I'm going with this?
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SurvivorNinja |
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STFU WylDawg
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JackSparrowBauer |
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No she really wasn't. She is one of the main reasons Jolanda went which potentially hurt them. She also made a deal with BJ that she will vote James if he will vote Ibe after that..then she went back on that and forced a tie, only to then re-vote out James. The next round when BJ wasn't sure what to do she tried to fault him for "going back on the deal" when technically her forcing the tie in the first place should have killed that deal and she logically should have known that. Steph doesn't use logic. She was kept at 9 because Coby was more threatening and then at 8 because Janu quit. Steph made poor decisions on Ulong just like she did on Xhakum.Jolanda was targetting Steph earlier, and keeping Jolanda would've given all the power to Jolanda/BJ/Ibrehem. Add in the fact that Jolanda was bossy, abrasive and a big reason why they lost the first challenge, that was a good move. Making that deal with BJ was a good move, too. She was thinking ahead and it secured her making the Ulong top 2. She voted Ibrehem at first to make sure BJ was telling the truth, saw that he was, and went along with him. BJ was also going to continue to be a threat and Danni was going to float as a non-entity. The smarter thing to do would be to take out the person more likely to coast...esspecially when you have a merged tribe stacked with challenge threats in Judd, Cindy, Jamie, Gary and Rafe.Fair enough. I disagree, but I understand your logic. I personally think keeping a non-threat over a threat is the smart thing. If she wanted to save Cindy she could have gone to Lydia after winning immunity and telling her that Danni is a threat that needs to go and if she doesn't go along with it she won't see the finals. She didn't want to save Cindy bad enough obviously and set herself up to have Rafe continue to call the shots and he lose ally after ally.For all we know, she COULD'VE approached Lydia, but the editors didn't show us because it ultimately didn't matter because they were so deadset against Cindy, Cindy didn't vote for Steph on the jury anyway, and the editors probably needed to show why Steph lost 6-1. Just looking at the situation objectively, using her voting confessional + the fact that she told Cindy about Rafe plotting against her, Steph didn't want Cindy gone and tried to flip it away from Cindy, but it didn't work. Steph was always loyal to Rafe more than anyone and wanted to go to the Final 2 with him the whole time and he was with her, and that would've been the case (and she would've gotten at least 3 votes against Rafe), if Rafe didn't have his moral dilemma/paranoia at F4.
Last Edited By: JackSparrowBauer
01/07/10 08:00 PM.
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SurvivorNinja |
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Could've. Steph could've won the whole game if she played decently.
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JackSparrowBauer |
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I meant to say that she could've, but they didn't show us. I thought I said it in my original post, but I didn't.
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assface killah |
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Horsiella is offended by this thread....
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SurvivorNinja |
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I'm offended she'll be a part of S20 so we're even.
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JackSparrowBauer |
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Danielle winning would be awesome <3
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SurvivorNinja |
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No. It doesn't even bother me so much the idea of Danielle the person winning..but the fact that she is the token "WTF are they doing there" like
Boogie, Danielle/Erik, Amber, and Parvati..to have her win would be fucked, stupid and predictable.
I'd take anyone winning over her for the reason alone. I kind hope she gets 2nd again. |
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JackSparrowBauer |
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I think I'm the only one who thought Amanda was more of a wtf choice than Parvati in Micronesia, but whatever that's just me.
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van slyker |
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SurvivorNinja wrote: Twila would have been perfect for the villains tribe!!! and she wanted to go! Danielle is there instead just because they MUST have so many younger hotter girls. Is Corrinne not hot enough for them? because she'd be perfect for this tribe as well. Danielle better not ruin this season by UTRing her way to the final 3. |
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