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BJ |
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I'm not so sure Conan is the winner financially. His contract does not specify a start time for the show. I hope he had a good talk with his lawyers first.
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meggie28 |
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I actually think Jay will win the ratings war again. He's exactly the kind of bland, stupid comedy that much of America finds comfort in. However, I think
we'll see his audience get older and older, and when all is said and done, I think the legacy he'll leave behind is that of a network shill and a hack
comic.
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Ouchie Poo |
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Yeah Meggie, I agree. The furor in the internet and among the comics is certainly there. But most people who watch the shows aren't aware or even care
about that. I really think Leno will take his spot back and it will be as if nothing happened for most viewers. That's basically the reason why such crap
shows (IMHO anyways) stay on the air and quality goes to shit. The majority of people who watch like that dribble, thus they like Leno.
Hopefully Conan goes on to bigger and better things. He certainly deserves it. If anything, he will become a cult favorite and many will be sympathetic to him. Hopefully he capitalizes on that momentum. |
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SentinelHeart |
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I haven't watched any late night talk shows for years, but ever since this whole thing started I began watching Conan and Dave again.
And I'm pleasantly surprised how good Conan is. But like others said, I'm afraid most viewers don't know or care, and when Jay gets back TTS, it'll be like nothing happened. That's probably what NBC is counting on. |
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Bonzos Montreux |
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garblue wrote: Wow I didn't want to laugh because it's Hitler, but..................OMFG....I love it! BTW it's been a while since I've seen Late Shift. I tried YouTube but couldn't find it now, anyone have a link? |
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CoconutPhone |
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Conan and Ricky were amazing. Great stuff.
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Bonzos Montreux |
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Well if anyone wants to complain, supposedly this is Jeff Zucker's office at NBC, 212-664-2830. Leave a message saying you
won't watch NBC if they bring Jay back
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maxxfisher |
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They had a lot to say on Howard Stern today
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GlamsSlam |
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Okay I am loving pissed auff Hitler!!!
What gauls me is that Jay Leno is so delusional and arrogant and obviously desperately needy to allow this to happen. What the fuck happened to graciousness or saying hey I would love to do a prime time special at 8 pm four or five times a year. He doesn't need the money so what the fuck is this ego manical manic thinking? That after this is all said and done people will watch him now and forget this? If Jay's supposed audience loved the motherfucker that much why weren't they watching at 10 pm? We know they have to be older than Jesus so you can't say they were asleep if they stayed up to 11:30 to watch. Do they think he is somehow funnier and more relevant an hour and half later? Fuck you think Hitler is pissed.. I haven't even touched the level of pissed off I am. Fuckinggoddamnridiculous! My god we need to rethink what death panel means. |
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CoconutPhone |
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Great stuff with Stern. Fantastic.
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meggie28 |
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Howard said comedians really hate Jay. He said he likes this whole thing. He said he doesn't feel so alone in his hatred of Jay now.I think that's how a lot of us are feeling right now. It's kind of liberating. I think that's why Letterman's so chipper these days too. |
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AshBender |
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ZUCKER THREATENS TO ICE CONAN! Says "I'll Keep You Off The Air For 3 1/2 Years"; Conan Reps Counter: "This Will End Up In Front Of A Judge
If NBC Doesn't Wise Up"
By NIKKI FINKE | Category: Uncategorized | Thursday January 14, 2010 @ 8:22am BREAKING NEWS! EXCLUSIVE! 2ND UPDATE: NBC Universal, faced with Conan O'Brien's defiance, is taking what insiders tell me is "a super tough threatening position" over his refusal to host The Tonight Show at 12:05 AM instead of 11:35 PM. "Someone's got to show NBCU that big greedy corporate dickheads can't win," one of Conan's manager-agent-lawyer-public relations "Team Conan" representatives told me. And while Jeff Zucker has not stepped up and taken responsibility for this mess he set in in motion in the first place -- by replacing Leno with Conan O'Brien as host of The Tonight Show even though Jay was No. 1 in his time slot at the time -- he's been busy behind the scenes. I've already reported how Zucker has been privately blaming Conan for the current debacle, saying "He let me down" because The Tonight Show for the last 7 months since O'Brien took over has been losing out to David Letterman in both eyeballs and advertiser-coveted demographics. (Bullshit, Zucker, you can't keep blaming others for your Zuck-ups.) Bad enough that Zucker made Conan hear about the planned move in the first place from the media. But now the NBCU chief has been talking tough during the negotiations with Team Conan. To counter O'Brien's principled public statement which the late night host issued this week, Zucker "is threatening to ice Conan", according to his reps. "Zucker said, 'I'll keep you off the air for 3 1/2 years.' Which doesn't have a chance in hell of happening. What I really think Zucker wants is to hold him off the market for at least six months to a year until the dust settles and Leno is secure and Conan is squelched." One rep even compared Zucker to "Darth Vader" because the NBCU chief "has been so evil" about this. According to NBC's stated plans, The Jay Leno Show would leaves its unsuccessful primetime 10 PM time slot on February 12th, and then move to 11:35 PM after NBC finishes broadcasting the Vancouver Winter Olympics on February 28th. That's when The Jay Leno Show arrives in late night, and Conan's show pushes back by 1/2 an hour. To NBC's way of thinking, it can kill two birds with one stone: it won't have to pay Jay that hefty $80 million penalty for taking The Jay Leno Show off the air because the program has "merely" moved timeslots. And it won't have to pay Conan that fat $60 million penalty for removing him from The Tonight Show because that program, too, has "merely" moved timeslots. But, as David Letterman so succinctly put it this week, "At 12:05 AM, that's not The Tonight Show, that's The Tomorrow Show! As I've written previously, the Pottery Barn rule is applicable here: "You break it, you buy it." It could and it should cost NBC. But I've learned O'Brien's reps now believe that Zucker wants to jettison Conan altogether and put Jay back at The Tonight Show at its usual starting time. So, to prevent O'Brien competing at NBC or elsewhere with Leno's attempt to lure back his late night audience, NBCU's Zucker has come up with this plot to "ice" Conan for the length of his NBC Tonight Show contract. It's dastardly, it's cowardly, and it could be damn effective. But there's no way Team Conan says they're going to let that happen. Bad enough NBCU horribly humiliated Conan and, as he so rightly pointed out in his statement, will damage The Tonight Show by moving it down a half-hour. With the 12:05 AM start, its ratings will never recover. After NBC made that decision, the phones at his WME agency rang off the hook with calls from every network, cable, and pay channel looking to hire O'Brien. And there's every reason for him to flee. But, if Conan exits voluntarily or involuntarily, it will take at least a year before a new show is readied and on the air. He risks losing his fan base during that time. And he'll be forever tagged by the failure. So now it's open warfare between NBC and O'Brien's reps. Zucker's hardline stance became evident during that 1:45 PM Tuesday meeting at NBC Universal this week shortly after Conan issued his statement of defiance. On one side of the room were NBCU bigwigs Jeff Gaspin and Marc Graboff. On the other were O'Brien's reps: manager Gavin Palone, WME agent and board member Rick Rosen, and the newest member of Team O'Brien, Hollywood litigator Patty Glaser, who was hired last Sunday and is WME's legal shark of choice. Not attending were Zucker (hiding back in NYC), or WME boss Ari Emanuel (leading the WME retreat in Rancho Mirage). One of Hollywood's toughest negotiators and the model for Entourage agent Ari Gold played by Jeremy Piven, Ari. Even so, Gavin can be as mean as a rabid dog, Rick's agency reps 60% of the TV talent, and Glaser is a pitbull. For them, this kind of mano-a-mano negotiation is bloodsport. But even they were shocked by Zucker's scheming. "Patty came in and said, 'You can't do this.' They claim they can legally, but everyone knows it's ambiguous. The contract is not clearly expressed and they are misinterpreting it," one of my sources related. "So everything now is at a standstill. There's been a proposal, and a counter-proposal. This will end up in front of a judge if someone [at NBCU] doesn't wise up." I'd learned both NBCU chief Jeff Zucker as well as Gaspin were told about Conan's statement publicly promising to protect the integrity of The Tonight Show he'd inherited. It made Zucker furious. O'Brien's reps didn't want O'Brien to speak out. "They were not thrilled. They told him it would undercut his negotiating leverage," one source revealed to me. "But Conan wouldn't listen to them. He wanted to make it." And yet, because of the controversy, O'Brien's Tonight Show ratings have risen. While Leno hasn't received a similar bump, Conan's number went up to 1.9 in the overnights. Certainly, that has to give NBC pause, right? Apparently not. Sources tell me there's only "the slightest of chances" that Zucker will relent and keep O'Brien and The Tonight Show intact at 11:35 PM. As for Conan, if he's released, he wants to ensure his executive producer Jeff Ross and other staff who moved out from New York to Los Angeles "are taken care of". As for himself, "he's not thinking about strategy. He's saying, "I just want enough money to feed my family.'" |
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SurvivorArctic |
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Jay Leno is fucking pathetic. He isn't funny. He isn't entertaining. I wish he would ride off (HELMETLESS) on his motorcycle and never come back.
Conan is the MAN! |
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JerseyJerk |
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Posts: 4597 (01/14/10 02:00 PM) Registered user |
I am so happy the world is solely behind Conan
I don't even think there is need (but it doesn't hurt) for any announcement of "Team Coco" because from what I see there is not one single person ANYWHERE who is behind Jay. |
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Eagles O Frodo Mt Doom |
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Conan O'Brien Likely to End Hosting The Tonight Show Jan. 22
Thursday January 14, 2010 02:45 PM EST Timothy White/NBC We've got Tonight? Not after Jan. 22. Conan O'Brien's last night as host of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien will likely be next Friday, a source close to O'Brien tells PEOPLE. "Conan does not currently plan on doing any more new shows after next week," says the source. NBC declined comment. On Tuesday, the host released a statement saying that he would not go along with NBC's plan for him to host a relocated Tonight Show at 12:05 a.m., following The Jay Leno Show at 11:35 p.m. "I cannot participate in what I honestly believe is [The Tonight Show's] destruction," said O'Brien. If Jan. 22 is indeed O'Brien's final broadcast, the show will have ended two weeks before NBC's scheduled preemption for its 2010 Winter Olympics coverage. |
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LOLABINGO |
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SentinelHeart wrote:Yeah, that was pretty much me until I checked out the threads here. I was out of town with friends and the Jay Leno 10 PM show came on in the hotel room. Basically, one (very casual viewer) told me that Jay had gotten good revenge on that nasty NBC for firing him from the tonight show. Now he had a better show, in a better time-slot, where he could do what he wanted and be free from the "tonight show" formula, and NBC's interfering with his genius. Conan had stolen the show from good 'ol Jay, but Jay had won in the end. Until I came here that is what I thought the story was. (Well, except I have always hated Jay Leno, so the whole "genius" part was ridiculous.) Admittedly, I didn't really give a shit, since if I watch anyone it's Letterman, and Kimmel when he has the booted DWTS peeps. Great Howard stuff Maxx! BTW, I caught a bit of Kimmel last night, and if he mentioned Jay or NBC at all, I missed it. Did someone squash him after his tour de force the night before? ETA, I think with all the publicity and the united attacks on NBC and Jay, pretty much everyone knows what the real deal is now.
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SurvivorArctic |
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Leno wasn't fired from the Tonight show. That is just wrong wrong wrong.
Nasty NBC my ass. They are fucking idiots for letting him remain on the air. Period. |
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