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PoChop		#6561	[-]
Posts: 3196 (01/15/10 05:10 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The spontaneous rally will begin at 1:45. Remove this ad I think they wipe with one hand and shake with the other hand.
bannedchef		#6562	[-]
Posts: 2121 (01/15/10 05:28 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Nomi wrote: and in the new healthcare proposal too if you want healthcare, you can get it if you pay for it. And if you don't want to pay for it-it's FREE! I'm sure 80% of people will continue to pay and watch the other 20% get the exact same care for doing absolutely nothing.
squashthebeef		#6563	[-]
Posts: 24978 (01/15/10 05:45 PM) Found a guy with a cat on his head Kinda blurry Could be anything Reply Quote More Recent Posts	why is it a bad thing?
PoChop		#6564	[-]
Posts: 3199 (01/15/10 05:52 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	It's only borrowed money, not real money.
airshowpilot		#6565	[-]
Posts: 2420 (01/15/10 06:23 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	It's sort of like buying a car with a balloon payment at the end. The only problem is that the car gets shittier and shittier and the there's not just one balloon payment, but a never ending supply of them.
bob2559		#6566	[-]
Posts: 6411 (01/15/10 07:18 PM) Cat Diddler Reply Quote More Recent Posts	squashthebeef wrote: why is it a bad thing? Does this chart include the unfunded mandates to the states for Medicaid (except for Nebraska) and requiring the public to purchase insurance or be fined? Last Edited By: bob2559 01/15/10 08:10 PM. Edited 2 times.
glazerboy		#6567	[-]
Posts: 3689 (01/15/10 07:19 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	dennydoylelives wrote: nomii wrote: only if you think making insurance unaffordable isn't rationing. What's so unaffordable about it? Either you get a job that has health insurance as a benefit, (you know, the kind of jobs that adults get), or you get a job without benefits that pays good money. No gob'mint intervention required. Can you say "pre-existing conditions"?
squashthebeef		#6568	[-]
Posts: 24984 (01/15/10 07:23 PM) Found a guy with a cat on his head Kinda blurry Could be anything Reply Quote More Recent Posts	What about 'em?
nomii		#6569	[-]
Posts: 7283 (01/15/10 07:50 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	compare the projections of healthcare costs with and without the current bill - the results will show you that without the legislation, healthcare costs will be even more than what the chart is showing you above. i posted such a chart many pages ago, you didn't respond to it then. And if you don't want to pay for it-it's FREE! That's not true.
lilnubber		#6570	[-]
Posts: 12829 (01/15/10 07:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The spontaneous rally will begin at 1:45. Remove this ad glazerboy wrote: dennydoylelives wrote: nomii wrote: only if you think making insurance unaffordable isn't rationing. What's so unaffordable about it? Either you get a job that has health insurance as a benefit, (you know, the kind of jobs that adults get), or you get a job without benefits that pays good money. No gob'mint intervention required. Can you say "pre-existing conditions"? Glazer, the fuckwhacks are forgetting that thanks to William Jefferson Clinton, who signed HIPAA into law, pre-existing conditions aren't a problem when you're going from one group insurance plan to another.
Archimedes		#6571	[-]
Posts: 1680 (01/15/10 07:54 PM) Divides by zero Reply Quote More Recent Posts	But Bob makes a good point about that chart... is that the cost to the federal government? If so, it does not include the costs that are forced on to the states in unfunded mandates. You know... the ones the Governator Ah-nuld is bitching about.
nomii		#6572	[-]
Posts: 7284 (01/15/10 08:01 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	the chart above - why is it not counting the profits in the first 5 years we'll collect and put into the program? or any other revenue streams - ofcourse the chart will be red if you'll just include the expenditures but ignore the revenues
Bonestripper		#6573	[-]
Posts: 1990 (01/15/10 08:05 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	ofcourse the chart will be red if you'll just include the expenditures but ignore the revenues Government does not produce revenue
Archimedes		#6574	[-]
Posts: 1681 (01/15/10 08:06 PM) Divides by zero Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Maybe because the title of the chart is "Seanate Health Care bill COSTS"?.... and not "costs vs. revenue streams" or just "massive tax increases to fund health care debacle"... The cost projections for the first 4 years are non existent since the plan taxes us during that time without providing any services.
bob2559		#6575	[-]
Posts: 6412 (01/15/10 08:17 PM) Cat Diddler Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Did anyone else catch the news story that the MIT economist (the one nomi puts so much faith in because he's not biased) who has been saying that the insurance industry's projection of greatly increased costs are wrong, is someone who has been working for the government as a paid consultant to help write the bill?
squashthebeef		#6576	[-]
Posts: 24987 (01/15/10 08:19 PM) Found a guy with a cat on his head Kinda blurry Could be anything Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Bonestripper wrote: ofcourse the chart will be red if you'll just include the expenditures but ignore the revenues Government does not produce revenue Dammit. I was going to say that. But much more colorfully.
nomii		#6577	[-]
Posts: 7285 (01/15/10 08:27 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	i wasn't refering to the govt - but to the healthcare program in cost vs. revenue terms. Did anyone else catch the news story that the MIT economist (the one nomi puts so much faith in because he's not biased) was it the same one? i'll have to go back and check. link to story?
squashthebeef		#6578	[-]
Posts: 24988 (01/15/10 08:31 PM) Found a guy with a cat on his head Kinda blurry Could be anything Reply Quote More Recent Posts	What the flying fuck are you talking about? Are you seriously thinking that this program is going to show a profit?
nomii		#6579	[-]
Posts: 7286 (01/15/10 08:34 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	no, but it should work at reducing the current projected deficit due to healthcare costs. now if we had a public option where most people paid into the program, we could've considered a profit too.
Teeanday		#6580	[-]
Posts: 5071 (01/15/10 08:35 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The spontaneous rally will begin at 1:45. Remove this ad i love libtards: Actor Danny Glover believes that the Haitian earthquake was caused by climate change and global warming: Says Glover: "When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I'm sayin'?"

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